Coast Guard acad. to replace Luders 44 yawls

[rbgarr]

http://www.tradeonlytoday.com/home/5...guard-contract

[adam96]

'New' is a relative term in this case....

[Paul Pless]

The Luders that are being replaced, were they formerly the Naval Academy Yawls?

[TimH]

what happens to the old ones after they are replaced?

[Hwyl]

Good news

[rbgarr]

what happens to the old ones after they are replaced?

They're lovely boats. I wonder also.

[Hwyl]

Nice to see they're creating jobs at Morris Yachts

The cadets get to sail on something more modern

These boats get released into the market.

What is not to like?

Interesting to see the Med moor is alive and well in the U.S.

[JimConlin]

Is there any reason other than inter-service rivalry that they didn't go with the new USNA boats?

[Figment]

(Yes, Paul, IIRC the Luders fleet is a hand-me-down from the USNA)

I'll be interested to see how the Luders fleet fares on the market. They are positively spartan belowdecks, and really they're the tiniest 44'ers I've ever seen. A hard sell in a time when moorage is going for $175/ft.
I'm sure they've been fastidiously maintained in many respects, but man those boats have seen a LOT of miles!

[Todd D]

I agree with figment, the old USNA Luders were totally spartan below decks. I assume those are the newer glass boats, not the original woodies. They are small below, but I remember them as nice sailing boats.

[TimH]

They're lovely boats. I wonder also.

Beautiful boats. Not yawls though. Someone stole the mizzens.

[TimH]

http://www.navypaxsail.com/Yawls.htm

[Don Z.]

One of the advantages of inter-service rivalry is a Darwinian process where ideas can be tested on their merits. For example, in the late eighties, the Army had a "vision" of the AirLand Battle, whereas the Marine Corps put their faith in FMFM-1 Warfighting.

Both were tested. One was proven "better". If you didn't have that rivalry, one or the other would have been forced on the entire DoD. It's really easy to find dead ends without the competition.

Similarly, the USCGA has different goals and a different mindset than the USNA. Without judging either, the officers in charge feel they have different design goals in mind... down to the level of what's expected at sea from their junior officers. The different boats are designed/built to those expectations.

It sounds more expensive this way... but the taxpayers are actually better served in the end.

[TimH]

They sure enlarged the cockpits on the fibreglass ones. not a good thing for an offshore cruiser.

The woodies were much more beautiful.

Wood



Glass


According to the website they GAVE the wooden ones away when they got the glass ones. If they did the same thing with these it might be worth getting one, ripping off the deck and building a deck/cabin arrangement like the wood ones had. Would be a huge project, but you would sure have a beautiful boat when done. You would have a low maintenance glass hull and the beauty of wood where it matters most. Below is one of the original wood ones.

[rbgarr]

Rip off the cabin and make it into a huge cockpit. I'd take out charter parties!

[James River Rat]

I sailed on the USNA yawls a couple of times in Annapolis.

Sailed great, classic boats.

They are beautiful boats, but very "rugged" as in EVERYTHING painted bilgekote gray down below.

They must have 100 of thousands of miles under the keels, but like most Good Old (fiberglass) overbuilt boats you can rebuild them.

Here are all the owners manuals and operating instructions!! (4 mb pdf)

http://www.navypaxsail.com/Documents...ersYawlSOP.pdf

Gotta love those old frozen snot classics!!!

[johnw]

Well, the Morris ain't as lovely, but I bet they have more room below.

[rbgarr]

Is there any reason other than inter-service rivalry that they didn't go with the new USNA boats?

It sounds like they may sail with smaller crews:
http://www.cruisingworld.com/boats-a...000077594.html

[TimH]

Interesting to see the Med moor is alive and well in the U.S.

Is that with the stern bouy as seen in the picture?

[rbgarr]

The photo of the Luders moored bow to is taken in Chile, whose Naval Academy has a few of the passed-down fg yawls they've rigged as sloops.

[Paul Pless]

You would have a low maintenance glass hull and the beauty of wood where it matters most.

Tim, you do realize that this is a wooden boat forum, right?

[TimH]

Tim, you do realize that this is a wooden boat forum, right?

Actually its a political and conspiracy forum with a little bit of boat conversation thrown in

[Cliff B]

And here is the Coast Guard movie of the yawls in action:

http://coastguardfoundation.org/page...-Campaign.html

[Bob (oh, THAT Bob)]

On the new Morris boats, I see 6 winches on the top of the house, interesting. The hatches on the foredeck look unusually large, that's nice for sail handling. But those big portlights on each side I will bet are non-opening. I would prefer all opening ports along the whole side of the house.