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    Default Coast Guard acad. to replace Luders 44 yawls

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    Default Re: Coast Guard acad. to replace Luders 44 yawls

    'New' is a relative term in this case....

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    Default Re: Coast Guard acad. to replace Luders 44 yawls

    The Luders that are being replaced, were they formerly the Naval Academy Yawls?
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    what happens to the old ones after they are replaced?
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    Default Re: Coast Guard acad. to replace Luders 44 yawls

    Good news

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimH View Post
    what happens to the old ones after they are replaced?
    They're lovely boats. I wonder also.

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    Nice to see they're creating jobs at Morris Yachts

    The cadets get to sail on something more modern

    These boats get released into the market.

    What is not to like?

    Interesting to see the Med moor is alive and well in the U.S.

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    Default Re: Coast Guard acad. to replace Luders 44 yawls

    Is there any reason other than inter-service rivalry that they didn't go with the new USNA boats?

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    (Yes, Paul, IIRC the Luders fleet is a hand-me-down from the USNA)

    I'll be interested to see how the Luders fleet fares on the market. They are positively spartan belowdecks, and really they're the tiniest 44'ers I've ever seen. A hard sell in a time when moorage is going for $175/ft.
    I'm sure they've been fastidiously maintained in many respects, but man those boats have seen a LOT of miles!
    We must go too far in order to know how far to go. Yeah.

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    I agree with figment, the old USNA Luders were totally spartan below decks. I assume those are the newer glass boats, not the original woodies. They are small below, but I remember them as nice sailing boats.

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    Default Re: Coast Guard acad. to replace Luders 44 yawls

    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post
    They're lovely boats. I wonder also.

    Beautiful boats. Not yawls though. Someone stole the mizzens.
    Last edited by TimH; 10-26-2009 at 09:58 AM.
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    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do, than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

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    One of the advantages of inter-service rivalry is a Darwinian process where ideas can be tested on their merits. For example, in the late eighties, the Army had a "vision" of the AirLand Battle, whereas the Marine Corps put their faith in FMFM-1 Warfighting.

    Both were tested. One was proven "better". If you didn't have that rivalry, one or the other would have been forced on the entire DoD. It's really easy to find dead ends without the competition.

    Similarly, the USCGA has different goals and a different mindset than the USNA. Without judging either, the officers in charge feel they have different design goals in mind... down to the level of what's expected at sea from their junior officers. The different boats are designed/built to those expectations.

    It sounds more expensive this way... but the taxpayers are actually better served in the end.
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    They sure enlarged the cockpits on the fibreglass ones. not a good thing for an offshore cruiser.

    The woodies were much more beautiful.

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    According to the website they GAVE the wooden ones away when they got the glass ones. If they did the same thing with these it might be worth getting one, ripping off the deck and building a deck/cabin arrangement like the wood ones had. Would be a huge project, but you would sure have a beautiful boat when done. You would have a low maintenance glass hull and the beauty of wood where it matters most. Below is one of the original wood ones.

    Last edited by TimH; 10-26-2009 at 02:38 PM.
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    Default Re: Coast Guard acad. to replace Luders 44 yawls

    Rip off the cabin and make it into a huge cockpit. I'd take out charter parties!
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    Default Re: Coast Guard acad. to replace Luders 44 yawls

    I sailed on the USNA yawls a couple of times in Annapolis.

    Sailed great, classic boats.

    They are beautiful boats, but very "rugged" as in EVERYTHING painted bilgekote gray down below.

    They must have 100 of thousands of miles under the keels, but like most Good Old (fiberglass) overbuilt boats you can rebuild them.

    Here are all the owners manuals and operating instructions!! (4 mb pdf)

    http://www.navypaxsail.com/Documents...ersYawlSOP.pdf

    Gotta love those old frozen snot classics!!!
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    Default Re: Coast Guard acad. to replace Luders 44 yawls

    Well, the Morris ain't as lovely, but I bet they have more room below.

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    Default Re: Coast Guard acad. to replace Luders 44 yawls

    Quote Originally Posted by JimConlin View Post
    Is there any reason other than inter-service rivalry that they didn't go with the new USNA boats?
    It sounds like they may sail with smaller crews:
    http://www.cruisingworld.com/boats-a...000077594.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    Interesting to see the Med moor is alive and well in the U.S.
    Is that with the stern bouy as seen in the picture?
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    Default Re: Coast Guard acad. to replace Luders 44 yawls

    The photo of the Luders moored bow to is taken in Chile, whose Naval Academy has a few of the passed-down fg yawls they've rigged as sloops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimH View Post
    You would have a low maintenance glass hull and the beauty of wood where it matters most.
    Tim, you do realize that this is a wooden boat forum, right?
    Last edited by Paul Pless; 10-27-2009 at 07:03 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Tim, you do realize that this is a wooden boat forum, right?
    Actually its a political and conspiracy forum with a little bit of boat conversation thrown in
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    And here is the Coast Guard movie of the yawls in action:

    http://coastguardfoundation.org/page...-Campaign.html

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    Default Re: Coast Guard acad. to replace Luders 44 yawls

    On the new Morris boats, I see 6 winches on the top of the house, interesting. The hatches on the foredeck look unusually large, that's nice for sail handling. But those big portlights on each side I will bet are non-opening. I would prefer all opening ports along the whole side of the house.
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