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    Default The scale of the thing

    yep, thats my Holden. Most would call it a large car here.


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    And you parked it under a load and in front of a travel lift/straddle because you really, really want a new car?


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    Just amazing. Is there a slight bulge at the keel root? Might it be a canting keel? Transom mounted rudder?

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    Definitely a canting keel. Konica Minolta or another latest and greatest? Rick

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    Ohh, its Alfa.. should have put the thread in the bilge, seeing as its a car thread
    Zana / konica minolta is an Aussie boat now.. she's already there somewhere after her travails in Europe..
    Maximus has been chartered for the Sydney Hobart apparently. She's going over on her old keel but gets lengthened a few feet to 100 ft and gets a new keel for the race.

    I took these a few weeks ago... she's ( Alfa)been sitting down on her bunks with the foils all out beside her.





    fore and aft rudders.
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    Aah, I did actually mean Alfa - but I didn't know that KM was an Aussie boat now. What's the Maximus connection? Rick

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    Rick,I read that an Aussie guy has chartered her (maximus)for the race for the cost of the modifications.

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    Great photo John!
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    Always interesting to see their shapes eh.
    Compare Alfa with the Davidson that was supposed to make the transpac


    She was just sooo flat forward. Different beasts of course. No canting on her, just a lifting keel although she has two different rudder configurations. Twin rudders on the stern for offshore and an another option of an inboard rudder for around the cans.

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    Has she always been registered in NZ. I thought that Nev had adopted Australia, after finding it hard to make a living in Kiwiland.

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    Ahh, the gratuitous Jag shot...
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    In the last photo of post #6 there's a nice blue hull as you look under Alfa's stern. With the overhangs it looks like an old woody. What's the word on that boat?

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    Looks strangely like what we call a Pontiac in the US!
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    IIRC, the Seawolf's blend at the root of the conning tower (sail) was designed and tested by the University of Virginia. Refered to as a "strake". They originally had a prototype with a pretty wild looking contour that wrapped around the base of the sail to reduce drag from the juncture between the sail and the hull. That was referred to as a "dillet". They dropped the contour on the actual builds for some reason - think it had to do with the safety of sailors on the deck, actually.



    Perhaps that boat has a similar structure at the keel root?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    Has she always been registered in NZ. I thought that Nev had adopted Australia, after finding it hard to make a living in Kiwiland.
    As far as I know Gareth, but thats not much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    Ahh, the gratuitous Jag shot...
    just can't hep meself Larks.
    That was a few months ago when Pendragon was in Auckland. I got talking the guy who runs them in the US and he told me about the rudder configurations .Also the fact there were issues that meant they canned the transpac and were getting some remedial work done. A bit sad for a brand new boat . I don't know where she is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad9798 View Post
    Looks strangely like what we call a Pontiac in the US!
    A couple of years earlier than the ones you got Brad, its a 2002 with LS1 and 6 speed.
    And its four doors.

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    Rich, its Endeavour ,the J class. Seems to have been here for quite some time now... a year?



    Canoez, maybe thats a coincidental bonus but she's ( Alfa)a canting keel boat and they all seem to have the hinge there now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Rich, its Endeavour ,the J class. Seems to have been here for quite some time now... a year?
    Have you scheduled a ride on her yet?
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Nooo, Paul , I don't travel in those coicles.
    I am a bit envious though because she's doing the coastal classic, the race we do most years and the one I had to can thanks to Mr Perkins.

    the Perkins mission statement off their website

    Perkins diesel engines have earned a reputation for ease of service along with low costs of maintenance and repair. Their rugged and simple design makes local repair easy. A large global network of distributors and dealers keep parts and support close to customers throughout the world.

    Our parts warehouses located in England and Singapore work around the clock providing the high levels of availability and fast shipment that keeps your machine running. Over 50,000 unique parts are sold under the Perkins Powerpart brand, the name that ensures only genuine parts are fitted in a Perkins engine.
    From the perspective of someone waiting 7 weeks..... crap. utter bull.Lies.
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    is it worth anything as a trade

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    Despite the fact thats its tight, doesn't seem to use oil , is economical and starts first kick with no glow plugs and is only perhaps a third through its life ( if that)at a bit over 2000 hrs,I wouldn't think so, it doesn't go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Canoez, maybe thats a coincidental bonus but she's ( Alfa)a canting keel boat and they all seem to have the hinge there now.
    Alpha, not Alfa?



    Being a paddler, but not a sailor, what's the benefit of the canting keel? Does it apply an "up" force to the boat hull when underway?
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    It moves the centre of gravity to windward, or at least away from the centre of buoyancy

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    They can also serve as a platform for displaying huge egos!



    At least briefly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    It moves the centre of gravity to windward, or at least away from the centre of buoyancy
    Fore and aft or abeam?
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    Fore and aft or abeam?
    Athwartship.

    These boats employ other devices (read big honkin daggerboards) for adjusting the center of lateral resistance fore and aft...
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    It may be fast but to my eye it sure is ugly.

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    Is that Boss Hugo himself getting wet? Or just some poor male model chap?

    Whoever it is deserves considerably worse for that stunt. One can only hope the water is heavily populated by sharks.

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    Nah, I reckon that was a great stunt. Have a look at the guy hanging over the side at the stern looking at him, you can almost see him saying: "right, they've got the shot, now lets dump him!" and I reckon he's got quite a grin having a great laugh in the next pic'.

    I don't see any rudder there either, I guess they didn't want to slice him in half when they dumped him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Dillon View Post
    It may be fast but to my eye it sure is ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post

    Thanks for that Dave, always good to read articles like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Athwartship.

    These boats employ other devices (read big honkin daggerboards) for adjusting the center of lateral resistance fore and aft...
    Alfa is interesting because she seems to have a permanent rudder forward instead of a canard. So in her case she isn't adjusting her CLR back and forward like the sleds optomised for reaching and running.

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