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    Quote Originally Posted by Geftb View Post
    Wow! Full on story.
    It is. I knew Des Townson and I'm pretty sure he would have been very surprised one of those particular boats was sailed offshore. Having said that , they're probably stronger than many of the production boats out there. Anyway, it did fail ,after falling off a couple of waves and pulling the whole shroud hanging knee/frame up through the deck leaving it dismasted and holed.

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    I'm thinking I would have hove too after the first drop and wait for daylight. I have never been in anything that rough so don't really know. What are your thoughts John? Being a lighter boat.

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    I think you're right!
    A few years ago a friend of mine got off his boat after it fell off a few waves and cracked the hull longitudinally and then popped the main bulkhead on the way back from Tonga . The boat breathed in, the rigging went slack and the rig went over. He's a lovely guy but with a high powered job and I believe he drove hard to meet the dreaded "schedule". That was a truly epic story too.
    Anyway , my point is that both boats were being driven hard in high waves with the wind and waves well forward of the beam. It seems to me that is when you hurdle across waves without backs, whereas hove to its all slower and the same waves actually do have backs.
    Phil did everything right after it hit the fan..textbook.. very valuable talk and it makes you think.

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    He Handled the situation amazingly! It becomes a very big ocean when your boat is sinking!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Did I mention I looked at Wonderland a couple of months ago. Quite surprised she was still here.
    Yes you did.I'm surprised too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    I think you're right!

    Anyway , my point is that both boats were being driven hard in high waves with the wind and waves well forward of the beam. It seems to me that is when you hurdle across waves without backs, whereas hove to its all slower and the same waves actually do have backs.
    Phil did everything right after it hit the fan..textbook.. very valuable talk and it makes you think.
    Quite right Below is a picture of Rain Eagle a Westsail 43 in heavy trades 2 days out of Hawaii we managed to keep up with her averaging 133 nm over 10 days from Christmas Island. The last two days we where under storm sails and undoubtedly pushed our Contessa 32 just a little too hard.
    I then had the unenviable task of having to Fiberglass the forward bulkheads while living aboard at Ali Wei marina.

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    Great pic. We don't slam much but we would slam doing that, which would bring on a change of tactics.
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    That doesn't look comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    That doesn't look comfortable.

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    You got that right. Conditions on our 32 footer where atrocious slamming into those square waves. We where two days out close reaching while attempting to lay Hilo, fortunatley those irregularly jagged waves only lasted around 10 hours,they where also the start of increasing trade wind strength.
    Unable to lay Hilo we used Cooks bay as a port of refuge drying out the boat and then foolishly proceeded crossing the Alenuihaha channel later that evening where we encountered winds gusting in the 35kn + range and several waves that completely filled our cockpit whith the following wave emptying most of the water, needles to say we might have been just a little overcanvassed.
    Rain Eagle soon left us in her wake and we then found ourselves entering Ali Wei marina well after dark which to date still remains one of my most difficult night harbour approaches .
    I found the entrance by relying solely on a fix taken at twilight and guts due to being unable to make out a single channel marker light with the bright lights of Wai Kiki blazing ,all around. Once we where within the range of the reef break I started turning the boat around only to find we where dead on in the channel and had missed everyone of those channel markers on our way in.

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    I had a phone call suggesting I drop in and look at the Ida restoration as they're at rig design and placement stage. Nice job they've done and it's a little bit of a family affair. My son is in his NA internship and worked sail areas , ce and clr on supplied plan. I think they have hit the nail on the head and I had some constructive additional comments to make, which they tell me was helpful.
    Ida is 1894, very transitional from the old clipper bow style but still with very deep bow sections despite some cutback. Looks slippery to me.
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    Very nice!!

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    WOW!

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    Fast progress too. Ida is an interesting boat and story. She's one of NZ's classics which escaped to Australia in the 80's or so, before the antiquities act stopped that. Charles Bailey boat, she's had a life over there, Sydney.
    Anyway , now owned by the NZ classic yacht charitible trust, there's a website with all the data.
    http://www.classicyachtcharitabletru...htm?boat_id=16
    When looking at the hull yesterday you could see the original chainplate positions, some mysterious anomaly of history by the rudder post and observe that the outer skin of three had been splined at some stage. Looked like cedar to me, a good option as its softer than the kauri planking. Inner skin was 98 -99% original, with a few hood ends replaced by the rudder post. The usual end grain damage around the sheer clamp area. In other words that 1894 3 skin kauri hull was well into the high 90s percentile of original timber and will stay that way. A bit like Rainbow, Rawhiti and Ngatira, all boats I ran restoration progress threads on back a few years. Ida is possibly the best of all of them for original timber content, but perhaps it'd be nit picking over a percent or two to say that.
    Some frames and floors were being added or replaced and a new deck of course.

    Untold in there and perhaps tenuously related is a sequence of events that lead to a modern yachting tragedy. Still it's part of the fabric.
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    Another scale of the thing.....
    The Daring spent a century under the sand.
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    Now in a shrink wrapped shed and being stabilised

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    Lots of cool stuff..
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    Save a classic. Matia, the 1939 50 ft Lidgard changes hands from her old custodian to a man with the skills to make her shine
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    OK, forget about that then. Waste of time. Someone must know why some images take and some don't.
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    All but one pic is visible on my phone

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    Same here.
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    Interesting pluck. I usually attach the hook just above the centre of gravity.

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    It is pretty much, Gareth, there's just an extra crane strop to get the hook away from the timber.

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    Is this a scoop?
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    I know what I think this is sitting right there in front of Len's Joann

    What does the panel think...
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    Did you mean `sloop'? Yes, I think so. Or did you mean - `I think another fancy boat, known to all, except Rick, has just arrived in Whangarei or Waikikamukau, and here's my photo of it'?

    Looks nice!

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    Very nice. Could it be the mystery Kiwi Concordia

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    I do believe it might be.

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    Alright, that's enough of this! Please tell us all about the Kiwi Concordia!!

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    There's been a Concordia in build here for a great number of years, by all accounts it's a beautiful build and a great deal of skill involved.
    Way back in the day when Margo was involved with the Concordia association in the US we chatted about it and I called the builder up. That could have been 10 years ago.
    Anyway, I believe that this is that boat. I was just driving through from Northland and took a short diversion to have a look at one of the boat yards. Those people had the look people get when they go to an event, so I wouldn't mind betting she's just gone in. All behind locked gates and I was travelling so I didn't hang around.

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    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Is this a scoop?
    20191031_104427.jpg
    I know what I think this is sitting right there in front of Len's Joann

    What does the panel think...
    I can't work out the rig, is that forward mast actually on that boat?
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    It's raining, it's light but it is rain.
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