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  1. #36
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    Default Re: Beginner's wooden daysailer

    Quote Originally Posted by stephen Dm View Post
    3) My many different requirements make me think I'm asking too much of the boat: wooden, ability to camp cruise, rowing, and sailing appropriate for a beginner yet enjoyable later. The idea of a whitehall type boat with sails is very appealing to me, and is one I will explore more once I'm in Savannah. Or, I could just continue kayak and canoe camping and thus not need any camp-cruising ability from the sailboat. We'll see, I'll have to give it further thought.
    A whitehall type can be great--Darroch's Alaska inspired me to build my own. Not a large boat people-wise, but I love it. It's easy to sail with 2 people aboard and not feel crowded. I left the ketch mizzen out entirely which opens up the cockpit a bit. The space in the bow makes a lovely lounging seat for a third person:

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    But other than lacking the speed to beat tidal currents, which is a problem every small engineless sailboat would face to some degree, I don't think you're asking too much at all. Don Kurylko's Alaska is one possible choice--you can read about some of my Alaska outings HERE and HERE.

    To muddy the waters a bit more, I'll add another of my favorites: Ross Lillistone's Phoenix III design. Again, comfortable for two people, crowded for more than that. But a great boat, beginner-friendly but rewarding for skilled sailors too--you can read a bit about some trips in this HERE and HERE:

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    The real trick with these will be finding one for sale--they're not as readily available as production boats. But both are good/excellent rowers, can carry plenty of gear, and can be recovered from a capsize single-handed.

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    Default Re: Beginner's wooden daysailer

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Budde View Post
    Stephen .. I have Dynamite Payson's plywood version of the Beetle Cat .. I do not think rowing is a realistic alternative. Nor do I think you will have enough cargo space for even minimal camping gear, a partner, a dog and a small Honda OB. However, it is very easy to rig Bettle Cat for sculling; providing a very easy and plesant way to move in calm waters. I seem to always stay out just a tad bit too long; wind dies and I'm a distance from shore. Grasp the old oar, a few flicks of the wrist and you'll be surprised how quickly you can scull back to shore / docks. And unlike rowing, you can scull for hours with little physical exertion on a boat as small as a Beetle Cat
    I know you posted this many years ago, but it came up on a search about how to rig my Beetle Cat for culling. How did you do it? I've had a Beetle for 30+ years, but it's getting harder and harder to sit on the bow forward of the mast and paddle when the wind dies.

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    Default Re: Beginner's wooden daysailer

    Hi Linda, welcome aboard! We're not too far apart, I'm in Rocky Point, and sail out of Mount Sinai.
    Unfortunately, I am not good at sculling, nor do I own a Beetle Cat. Jim Buddle, the member who posted this reply, may not visit here anymore. I suggest you start a new thread asking your question. My experience rowing dinghies up to a 26' yawl is that sometimes one oar will do. I recently broke an oar while sailing my Shellback and managed to row home using one oar with the daggerboard down and rudder steering. It wasn't comfortable, but when I did it in the bigger boat I chocked the rudder slightly off center and used both hands on one oar. Good luck, keep us posted.

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    Default Re: Beginner's wooden daysailer

    You could do as John suggests, but you could also mount two rowlocks on the coamings and row standing up. For sculling, a block on the stern with sculling notch or rowlock socket to take a rowlock at an angle square to the oar would get you sculling while sitting in the cockpit.

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