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still thinking...

Tiller extension. the scows sailing with double rudders in 1905 and likely before all had their double rudders linked together with a bar at the tiller allowing the crew to sit on the weather side...

Hi guys
yeah the Fish class cats are real neat boats, marconi rigged with stays for their fairly tall mast set well forward. several have been built in the past few years and several more restored...

Here's a sharp bow scow sailed out of Manchester Massachusetts 1910, note dual rudders and bildge...

A modern 18 vs. a modern scow in the 1990's ??? I don't doubt the result, assuming it was an E scow your talking about a design, hull shape, sail configuration, total sailing weight, etc... that is...

Drake looks great in those photos Clint, have u ever sailed her with a steering oar over the gunnel vs the rudder? the oar can double as a sort of leeboard as well as controlling direction

https://sites.google.com/site/dansdories/_/rsrc/1256977436202/3098800687_306cd453ef-large.jpg?height=315&width=420 http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2406/2048155741_4e91cdfad8.jpg I really like both!...

here's another local class..
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yeah just thought u might be interested, Massachuses was a bildge board scow (NO BALLAST KEEL) similar to the type being raced on inland lakes 45' long 500sq ft sail and capable of speeds reaching...

Here's a Sewanhaka cup scow Massachusets of 1910!!!
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A rare image of the original Nautilus captured by Norwegian photographer Whata Jokehanses, from the deck of a Baltic trader late...

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thanks guys,
the shed is likely a carrige shed, the date 1890 is painted on a rafter, there is also a fair bit of wood used in the shed from a much older structure. It was sinking into the ground so...

the bottom is 1" pine planed till the saw marks disapeared, the planking is 5/8 pine on wht oak frames, garboard is 1/2" marine ply, takes a little sanding on the lower outside corner of the 2nd lap...

well here she is, on the way to the Maine Boat Builders show- then home to Richmond Maine


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pls forgive if answered already, Im on lunch and short on time...


the wisker pole for the sq sail is a "far-good" on a small craft like a shalop, term in common use up into the 1700's some time

when padling alone I sit in the aft seat, when paddling with Lauren I have a little wedge shaped seat that I set in the transom on the shelf created between the first and second plank.

the hull...

the water pressure holds the oar in place and to head up simply rotate the oar so it slides throught the water.

I dont know how rigging as a punt would adversly affect the paddleing of the bateau,...

I think a big plus for the CS is it's apparent relaxed mode of sailing, especially in an endurance type race, keeping the skipper fresh is important! can anyone who's traveled far in one concur or...

tacking is easy,
though there is no centerboard for the "rudder" to act against the fact that the rudder is a paddle means you can use a couple paddle strokes and get the boat around in a snap,...

As an asside our local small craft, dories, wherries were more round bottomed than these duck punts but were often rigged for sail and before center boards werein wide use these small craft were...

you can use the oar just for steering if you like but your missing out on up wind performance and the brilliance of the duck punt and small boats that sail with a steering oar forward of the transom....

having designed built and sailed a Duck punt inspired craft, the bulk of lateral resistance comes from the appropriately positioned steering oar, not the hard chine. position the steering oar well...

there's a bit of a clue as to the performance of these craft, I know from 1st hand experience with a CS 20 vs my Alpha dory, the wider planeing type sail boats like the CS excell off the wind and in...

cool! Ben, did you get a chance to sail on any of those Maine built Sonders?

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Sewanhaka scow sloop, Massachusetts!

my own 18' scow inspired design...
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supposed to start building this winter, Ill email to see if there is any progress.

http://www.pem.org/archives/mpd/images/l0084.jpg there's a great account of dreadnough record run Samuels was sailing int Liverpool at such great speed that she out sailed the steam tugs sent to...

Dreadnought, three-masted medium clipper ship built in 1853 by Currier & Townsend, Newburyport, MA. Dimensions: 212'×41'6"×26'6" and tonnage 1414 tons OM and 2337 tons NM. The deadweight of this...

Ben you also mention the sheltered water, if your group was off shore as the wind rose the boats side by side comparison might change, could the low freeboard boats have kept their rowers dry in a...

1' hot rolled steel angle iron.

looking forward to pic's...

grandpa didnt use suspension.

no suspension!, thats crazy, the suspension is in the runner plank and it's flex. an ice boat is not like a softwater sail boat, everything needs to be built bomb...

Dories were lowered from a schooner deck directly into the atlantic, and a new dory proprly built with trad construction wont leak when launched, it is age and neglect that starts a hull leaking,...

here's the view from on (and off) my shingle ice boat, the shingle is a great boat because it is so simple to build (no steering mechanism, the weak point in many home built's) and it can carry 2-3...

sounds like a great idea Jeff.
I had my Alpha rigged with a extra large sail for racing but with the original rig as drawn by Gardner the boat is exceptionally easy to handle and the rig is short...

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US rt. 1 Peabody Ma.

Last word from the ship approx 6:00am, power lost, 10' of water on board and rising.
Bounty sank from under them as her crew swam for 2 survival rafts, 14 rescued by CG helicopter, 2 missing.

Tragedy; ship Bounty lost, 2 missing. they watched her go down, ship sank from under them, engine failure.

please pray for the missing.

I object to the title... Not Fair!
the Mersa type punt is I assume, a boat developed over decades+ and likely by multiple builders with no restrictions but what worked best,

the PDR was...

How I Became a Sailor, or, "my journey from zero to hero (perfect 10)"

steep 20'er's ! :o
sounds absoloutely terrifying! to me.

something like this?
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Immagine a BP with a 2-3 hp electric motor and battery bank, mabey a little more freeboard forward and a dash water, something along the lines of Turbinia!
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is this to build or buy?

there are wood C scows left around and dating back as far as 1906 they do have classic if a bit unusual lines. impressive performance as well.
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I've long wanted to do a 21-26' version of the 18' sailing dory I did aa few yrs ago. Daysailers in this size range are real impressive performance wise.
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I've seen Lilly in person, under a tarp in Phil Bolgers side yard. interesting small craft, ideal for our local estuaries.

cool! I sailed on that cat probably 20 yrs ago, we whent out in the late fall and had to break through a couple hundred ft. of window pane ice to get out off the dock, or more just a few planks laid...

howabout a small sail boat, one that would sail exceptionally well but could be rowed in a pinch... like a Bahama dinghy, Wade Smith sailed one at several Small Reach Regattas and did very well...

funny story, that thankfully didn't happen, about boomkins and the SRR, Joel me and a day tripper shoved off the beach after lunch with the wind on our bow, I'm sailing backward in 18-20 mph breeze...