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    Grand Canyon River Trip 2018

    Well, my scheme to land a permit for another Grand Canyon self-guided river trip worked out, and I'll be launching with a group on Friday morning for 28 days on the river. Only one wooden boat on...
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    Re: Phil Bolger consensus?

    I just noticed today that Boats With an Open Mind is back in print at Barnes & Noble. Not sure if that's news to anyone else but I thought it was worth a mention here.

    Tom
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Thanks--that has been happening occasionally when I use the Forum procedure for posting photos. It looks fine when I first post, and then it shows up with the attachment link later on. Does anyone...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Just want to recognize here again what a great resource this forum is. We've got experienced sailors and world-class designers sharing their knowledge with the community, and explaining their...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Thanks for sharing your experience. The one situation that still makes me want to avoid turtling while cruising is shallow water where the mast can hit bottom and the rig and boat can be severely...
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    Re: Lug vs. balanced lug

    Yep, this is important to know and maybe not obvious while learning. You generally can't let the foot out too far because twist in the sail would take the yard well forward of the mast, inviting the...
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    Re: Lug vs. balanced lug

    Rod, I'm curious about this. That has not been my experience in my Alaska, and I'm wondering why you are having such heavy sheet loads. I have a single mainsheet with a 2:1 set-up, no sprit boom, and...
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    Re: Lug vs. balanced lug

    A boomless standing lug or spritsail does find upwind as long as you have the proper sheeting angle--no disadvantage to be boomless in my experience.

    Tom
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    Re: Lug vs. balanced lug

    I've sailed with a balance lug and standing lug. Some thoughts:

    In practice, I haven't found any appreciable difference as far as one being easier to use than the other when it comes to balance...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Self-bailing would be a valuable feature, no doubt. But I don't think I'd want an open transom--I can imagine taking on water when running or broad reaching while surfing waves, and I'd rather keep...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    You're hired! I needed a publicist before my next capsize event.



    Yep, that sounds right. Then watch a Scamp break out the oars on a windless day when you have to cover 15 miles while you leave...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Thread drift continues: THIS THREAD from a couple years back explored a lot of these same issues regarding capsizing. At the time I had not tested my Alaska. Now that I have, I'm convinced that I'm...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Rick,

    Alaska is indeed much more compartmentalized than the Phoenix III, with three sealed thwarts in addition to bow and stern tanks:

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    As you can see, the forward space just...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    All right, I have really led us astray into new topics, haven't I? Hoping the OP doesn't object, I'll add some more thoughts:



    My experience makes me wonder how true that is. After righting my...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Edward,

    interesting again to hear your thinking. I admit to being generally oblivious to tidal currents and complications. Wind-driven drift is about all I've needed to account for in my cruising...
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    Re: Small boat pron.

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    Bolger Pirate Racer (foreground) and flat-bottomed skiff with hull panels laid up lapstrake, then attached to bottom in one piece.

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    Ultra-simple, ultra-cheap boats provide a lot...
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    Re: Main Stream Media and Democrats crying Wolf...

    Well, Paul Ryan sure proved all those tax cut doubters wrong, didn't he?



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    Meanwhile, you might want to look up the difference between "lose" and "loose." After that you can start...
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    Re: From the 'Let them eat cake' department

    Let's not forget that Paul Ryan famously lied about his marathon time in his initial election to Congress. If you are a runner and would like a new PR, check out "The Original Paul Ryan Marathon...
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    Re: MaryEllen

    I'm sorry to hear this news, Ian. Best wishes that the good memories remain.

    Tom
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    Re: Main Stream Media and Democrats crying Wolf...

    That's amusing, considering the aforementioned executive's current disapproval rating of around 54%, compare to 40% who approve.

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    Tom
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    Re: Main Stream Media and Democrats crying Wolf...

    How many times will "lose" continue to be misspelled as "loose" here in the Bilge?

    How long will right-wingers continue to be oblivious to the conventions of capitalization and punctuation?

    How...
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    Re: The Point of All This Fuss

    Rather, a celebration of a certain segment of the population's ability to resist the best efforts of their schools and teachers to show them how to think critically. I know it's fashionable to blame...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Edward,

    thanks for taking the time for such a detailed reply about what you meant. It's really interesting to see a discussion unfold between you and Ross and others here, and nice to see that...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    In particular, I rest my head on a pillow leaned against the sloping aft end of the centerboard case, which gains another 6-8" of length easily. Even the standard Phoenix is good for a 6' 2" human...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Ross,

    thanks for posting. I find a stretched Phoenix very intriguing. Very. Intriguing.

    Is that a Phoenix IV, then? :)

    Tom
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Thanks for posting--I've been aboard Stan's Weekend Skiff and really loved it (which honestly surprised me a little). It is extremely comfortable, and big enough volume that you sit INSIDE it, quite...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Edward,

    can you explain your thinking on this? I thought it was the general consensus that a longer boat, keeping all else the same, will have decreased drag resistance (as Ross's post above...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    An interesting question; I've never used an autobailer. The Phoenix III comes up from a capsize with the water level about an inch below the thwart. It's a significant amount of water, but I suppose...
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    Re: Don't confuse me with the facts

    Well, if you're a Republican, you believe the first version of the story, apparently.

    Which means, I guess, if you're a Republican, you also believe the guy who was found with the murder weapon,...
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    Re: # We won't release the Memo

    Adam Schiff said on NPR that the Democrats want to submit their memo to the relevant intelligence agencies to make any necessary redactions. According to him, the Republican memo is completely...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Rick,

    thanks for the clarification--it seems obvious in retrospect, with the boat 16+ feet long and a sheet of plywood only 8'. Sorry for the mistake.

    Tom
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    Re: Laws Now Optional in the US

    But with Republicans it's nothing new to ignore the rule of law and forsake their oath to uphold the Constitution. I think the most egregious example is their refusal to vote on Supreme Court...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Good points in post #68. But this:



    I'm not so sure about that. That may be because in my Great Lakes cruising, I am nearly always anchored in such tight sheltered spaces that I'm never in any...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Rod,

    this is an interesting post. Having now spent a summer with some cruising side-by-side with a Phoenix III and my Alaska, I'm interested in the comparisons.

    At 18' vs. 15' 1", Alaska is the...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    If you lie diagonally, you'd have several more inches of length as well. It's comfy that way, as well. But I think a slightly stretched Phoenix III with no other changes would be groovy.

    Tom
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Beat me to it!

    Tom
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    James,

    that bit about tidal currents at anchor is probably obvious to you. As a Great Lakes sailor, I never really thought about. But it makes perfect sense. You and I really don't need the same...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    I haven't sailed a Walkabout, but I think it's about as capable as a light sail-and-oar boat can get.

    I do know from firsthand experience that it is EXTREMELY difficult to capsize a Phoenix III....
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    I love Periwinkle, but it is a significantly bigger, beamier, and heavier boat than the Phoenix III. And twice the cost for sails!

    Tom
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    I suspect all it would mean would be spacing the bulkheads a bit farther apart than stated in the plans--a previous post suggested Ross already ok'ed this. It would probably also mean you'd need two...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Alan,

    I'll ask my brother for a measurement--might take a day or two. But I'm 6' 2" and usually lean a cushion against the sloping aft side of the centerboard case, with my shoulders on the...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Dave,

    do you have plans for Autumn Leaves already? Have you started a build? I really really like the look of that boat--not sure exactly why, but I like it a lot. (Hint: I'd like to see photos of...
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    Re: Tried to fire Mueller

    Have you been in hibernation since 2016?

    Tom
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Thanks for the pictures of your boat. It does look like Walkabout has wider seats; that may be more comfortable for some people.

    Impressive that Walkabout achieves such good rowing performance...
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    Re: Tried to fire Mueller

    bobbys,

    from the lecture you copied into post #109 (without, I should add, identifying its source):



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    I don't think a comparison to Watergate is at all off the mark with Trump and...
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    Re: Tried to fire Mueller

    No, I wouldn't. I might question the validity of the story, but with people like you and other Trump supporters around, I would never question its viability.



    Here's the thing about being...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    All right, sorry to take up so much room on this thread. A couple more interior shots of the Phoenix III:

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    I'd guess the Phoenix III and Walkabout "cockpit" areas are pretty close to...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Not really. With a solo sailor at the helm, the water tends to collect along the keel in the center area of the cockpit, where it's easy reach for sponging/bailing. Storing dry bags up front tends to...
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    Arrgh! I will try again--not sure why they didn't work.
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    Re: Phoenix III OR Walkabout OR ???

    They are horses for courses there as well--Phoenix III was designed for cruising, too.



    Rob, I think you're seeing something on paper that doesn't really exist in 3D with the interior comfort...
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