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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    No it doesn't. I'm not trying to be a pia about it either. I just know that as Dash gets older you will have less time not more. When he is older and gains independence there is no way to recapture...
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    Re: Refastening with treenails

    I'd follow the traditional practices used for similar sized boats and scantlings and not try anything new.
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    A sunken boat is not such a great buy unless it is dirt cheap. Insurers aren't really interested in insuring them afterward. The interior joinery swells and nothing is as it should be. The wiring all...
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    Re: Always have a life preserver

    Unfortunately the window of opportunity has passed for any worth while action. Reporting the incident to the appropriate authority immediately would have been the only way to force corrective...
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    Sorry if I was to pragmatic, just thought that you had already reached that conclusion, "Life is short". I guess I've had an abundant supply of evidence pushing some of my own decisions, like buying...
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    "But there is no urgent need to choose between them right now"

    This is what we believe when we are younger. Then we discover the future holds no guarantee of a lengthy time line or ability to pass...
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    Re: Always have a life preserver

    Any close call is huge warning of a problem. Everyone in the boat could have easily died with a slight change in the dynamics of the crash. In this case pfd's would only slightly mitigate the...
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    Exactly, there's no question what the right answer is, go boating.
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    Re: Always have a life preserver

    The root cause of the op's incident is negligent operation of the zodiac. No one seems interested in discussing that aspect. The required safety equipment is an ancillary issue that may or may not...
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    Re: Blotchy Varnish

    Wood isn't a uniform homogenous material. The only way to make it look uniform is to use a heavy filler stain that eliminates the natural grain. The stain is a lot like thick paint.
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    Use the force, use the force......
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    To me all of these things just point to the idea that you should spend your time and energy on the manner of your tag line instead of toiling in the bilge. "Life is short. Go boating now!"
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    "I should just focus on getting that task done"

    Staying on task is the only way to bring a project like this to completion.
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    I'm not in favor of using a grinder to cut the concrete at all. Eventually the planks will get cut and you will have gouged and cut lines on the inside of the planks weakening them even further. It's...
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    Re: Always have a life preserver

    The OP's story is not really about whether wearing a pfd was required or if it would have saved anyone involved in the incident. We all know it was required. If all the occupants in the boat ended up...
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    Chris, before you do any work removing concrete please buy a dirty water submersible pump for use in an emergency. The big box stores have them.
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    Re: Always have a life preserver

    Anyone unfamiliar with hypothermia in cold water should examine the linked chart and look at survival times.
    https://useakayak.org/references/hypothermia_table.html
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    Re: Always have a life preserver

    To often the lack of concern (and utter stupidity) for the safety of others is on display. When people die suddenly it is never accidental, it is always due to human causes.
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    "which will result in a sound and seaworthy boat. " Chris

    Chris wants to repair the boat to a safe usable condition. I don't think he ever thought this would be a full restoration.
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    Chris, I'm sorry I was being a bit sarcastic and didn't message that better. I know what you are up against in both time and money and the constraints of both issues.

    Your #2 goal is absolutely...
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    Re: Cement and re-bar ballast casting

    Most tire shops have recycling setup long ago and sell the weights for scrap.
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    Re: Cement and re-bar ballast casting

    It will still be porous with added cement.
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    This would be the best plan and the conclusion I was hoping you would arrive at. Steam full lenght frames and slide them in from the sheer. Two or three guys could frame the whole boat in one or two...
  24. Re: Blue peter schooner. Shipwreck on portezuelo beach, maldonado uruguay.

    It appears Stewart Sanders Shipping was a South African company out of Durban, as well as NY based.
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    Re: Cement and re-bar ballast casting

    You might want to use a waterproofing additive to the mix. For example: http://www.hycrete.com
  26. Re: Blue peter schooner. Shipwreck on portezuelo beach, maldonado uruguay.

    This book has a picture of Blue Peter just after launching Aug 4, 1917. Camden and Rockport Revisited

    By Heather E. Moran, Camden-Rockport Historical Society

    https://books.google.com
  27. Re: Blue peter schooner. Shipwreck on portezuelo beach, maldonado uruguay.

    Paul Morris references the annual List of Merchant Vessels of the United States and Lloyd's Register as major sources for ship information.
  28. Re: Blue peter schooner. Shipwreck on portezuelo beach, maldonado uruguay.

    From the book; Four Masted Schooners by Paul Morris
    Blue Peter owned by Stewart Sanders & Co. Ny Ny. Burned off Uruguay, wreck towed in Dec. 13, 1921.
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    Re: Cement and re-bar ballast casting

    If your rebar and concrete weigh the amount specified for ballast I say just do it.
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    Chris,
    This article has the placement of floors. Under the engine might be a problem at this point. You might be able to chase down the working drawings. ...
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    Chris, you need a crew of volunteers to help when Petrel comes out.
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    I'm much more concerned about hammering on the concrete and planking. It should wait until the boat is on the hard and the
    garboard removed.
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    Two issues with lags as far as I can see. The first is they can be over tightened stripping the hole out. There is no way to tell how much torque they can be subjected to, so one second everything...
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    Re: A silly idea...

    What Ian said.
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    I have to say this is a bit of a surprise to me that no floors were installed, I'm certain that I've never been on a wooden boat without them. But then these were built on the west coast and not...
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    +1 on Brian's comments. Chris, your correct about where to place your energies. Let some one else deal with Petrel that will bring her into shape.
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    Concrete is used to fill the spaces between the frames adjacent to the keel to create a smooth waterway that doesn't trap debris. It isn't really for ballast unless it is really thick and fills the...
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    I see what looks like floors farther forward in the boat under the plywood. Or are they just there to support a sole?

    Installing new floors from the shaft log aft is a bit tricky because it...
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    Re: Chartplotting software for laptops

    Noaa free charts http://www.charts.noaa.gov/InteractiveCatalog/nrnc.shtml
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    Yes drifts or bolts. Boats are built with either type of fastening. Obviously bolts are better.
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    New floors would help a lot.
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    Whether or not concrete acellerates decomposition really isn't important in this instance. The issue is that many frames are deteriorated going into the bilge and the condition is unknown. At a...
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    Chris, you have brought up an issue I've been concerned with since coming upon your thread. The frame ends hidden in concrete. I'm pretty certain we both know the condition of a majority of the...
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    Re: Oh oh, the boat is rotten.

    Just seems to me that if your going to put money and labor into a project it should be worth something when you're done. Which means start with something that is worthy.
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    Re: Damaged rudder

    Looks to me as though the break was caused due to forces applied to the head of the rudder and not while the boat was in use.
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    Re: Damaged rudder

    +1 on Nick' s comments. I'd make a new rudder from lumber. Starting with a wide enough piece equal to the cheeks then edge nail and glue narrower pieces progressively to build the blade.

    Or on the...
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    The issue with rotten iron is that it expands and invades the wood around the fastener. Not only are the fasteners gone but the wood looses it's strength. The fastener hole is destroyed by...
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    The picture of the stern makes me happy you bought a different boat.
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    Re: Building Arabella (An Atkin Ingrid)

    You might want to add diagonal bracing across the tops of the mold cross beams to tie them all together and stiffen up all the of the of the sections. If they are placed toward the center they...
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    Re: Restoration of the BC Salmon Troller "Petrel"

    That's never fun, the cold part. Wear a filter mask with charcoal made for organic vapors painting the bottom. The VOC's won't bother your cough latter today.
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