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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    Would this qualify as "tortured ply": http://tinyurl.com/c3cw49n
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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    On my windsurfing sails, the mast is bent by tension on the sail panel that runs parallel to the mast. Downhaul gets applied to that panel. The rest of the sail is shaped, but not under any...
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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    I like the crab claw. Does anybody know what he used for spars and whether they are pre-bent or bent by virtue of the sale's shape?

    In the second photo at...
  4. Re: Weather Protection: Spar Varnish or Epoxy Resin?

    In retrospect, it sounds like that was the right thing to do with the rack brackets.

    For the leeboard bracket and the seat slats, I don't want them to contrast with the rest of the canoe (which is...
  5. Weather Protection: Spar Varnish or Epoxy Resin?

    I made a couple of crude brackets to stabilize my surf ski on the roof racks.

    Didn't bother to coat them, and the weather was having it's way.

    So I figured I'd thin some epoxy resin by adding...
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    Re: Video: Marshalese Proas Today

    Easy set/strike was the litmus test for me.

    Going under bridges/causeways was my original thinking, but it turns out I have yet to go under a bridge or causeway... -)

    OTOH, once I get the...
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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    I have not done that, but I do have the rigging time for my Ulua outrigger canoe (from trailer in parking lot to water's edge ready to sail) down to a "personal best" of 19 minutes and 38 seconds.
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    Video: Marshalese Proas Today

    From TdeM's post on Proa_File: http://vimeo.com/31752506
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    Re: ~30' proa (like Madness) - Does it make sense?

    What would be an example of "flexible"? "Rigid"?
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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    The second link is to the stainless ones I use now. They're big enough to be hand-friendly and the webbing is more robust than anything I have seen before. Much nicer than I expected when ordering...
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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    For the lashing-challenged: http://tinyurl.com/bqh6rr5

    (Home Depot's finest...long since upgraded to http://tinyurl.com/6ozpqof)
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    Re: TePuke: The Ergonomic Proa?

    That is way high. I get some of mine for free, others for less than $50. Swap meets...

    There are several catgegories:


    One-piece vs two-piece. One-piece are practically obsolete and will be...
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    Re: ~30' proa (like Madness) - Does it make sense?

    Some of it has to be hull shape.

    My old Hobie 16's and 14's sliced through the chop rather than pounding over it.

    OTOH, my Malibu Outrigger tended to pound more (OTOH, it would also sort...
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    Consider an old windsurfer mast: cheap and light...

    Consider an old windsurfer mast: cheap and light (especially if you can find one in carbon fiber).
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    Re: ~30' proa (like Madness) - Does it make sense?

    Part of it has to be exposure of the tramp to wind. Dunno how much... but somebody less mathmatically-challenged than Yours Truly could probably calculate how much the area exposed to wind increases...
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    Re: ~30' proa (like Madness) - Does it make sense?

    Good catch. I'll take it - only expanding "beach sailing" to "beach and back-bay sailing".
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    Re: ~30' proa (like Madness) - Does it make sense?

    I guess there's ocean/blue-water sailing and then there's everything else.

    Read Grill's accounts of coming in through surf over coral reefs where he basically bumps over the occasional coral head....
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    Re: ~30' proa (like Madness) - Does it make sense?

    Count your blessings....

    Might be a water-quality-specific thing. When I worked in the kitchen of a YMCA summer camp on the Chesapeake a looooooong time ago, I could wade out chest-deep and still...
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    Re: White Gel Coate: Cleanup?

    Thanks. Gonna hit the supermarket today and get some.

    FWIW, I just tried "Bartender's Friend" (which seems tb a sort of plastic-friendly analog of Ajax) and it worked better than either...
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    White Gel Coate: Cleanup?

    Got a fully-functional sail box, but it's pretty nasty on the outside: http://tinyurl.com/adr4wls

    Tried a couple of test patches using cleaner wax on one and polishing compound on the other.
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    TePuke: The Ergonomic Proa?

    My vision of sailing a "sports" proa has been pretty much Grillabong's setup where he uses something very like a beach chair on the polas so the helmsman can sit in one place if desired. viz:...
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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    The plates on both sides would only go down as far as the water line, right?
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    Re: ~30' proa (like Madness) - Does it make sense?

    Seems like a partial answer - specific to Madness, albeit probably at much lower speeds - here: http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/designs/proa/index.htm
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    Re: Prettiest boat under thirty feet

    "Beautiful".... not necessarily practical...

    Janus Ostrowski's "Mata Pjoa": http://tinyurl.com/aa4a3hl

    or Chris Grill's "Desperado": http://tinyurl.com/a4mujac (from http://tinyurl.com/84wwstd)
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    Re: ~30' proa (like Madness) - Does it make sense?

    This is from a near-total dilletante.

    I seem tb the only one obsessed with the downside of (non-folding) daggarboards, so my obsession is probably irrational and maybe somebody can explain why.
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    Waapa Weight Citation

    Somebody posted a question about Waapa and weights - which I can't find to reply to.

    Here are some weights from Geoff and Shannon Husa's build blog: http://tinyurl.com/c7gqmjt

    (do a find on...
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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    Gary has a pic of a Tahitian one: http://outriggersailingcanoes.blogspot.com/2012/06/tahiti-tacker.html
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    Marshallese Ama Suspension: How Does It Work?

    I had been puzzling over how/why the Marshallese ama suspension as shown in http://www.instructables.com/id/Aka/?ALLSTEPS works.

    Now, just having had a look at one of Janusz Ostrowski's clips at...
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    Re: Shunting Waapa?

    Dunno from guidlines, but my experience so far with a 21' tacking outrigger suggests making the iakos longer that I would ever want and then tuning the rig by sliding them in and out to see what...
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    Shunting Waapa?

    Is anybody on the East Coast USA sailing Waapa with a shunting rig?
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    I did and bought one. Does everything I need...

    I did and bought one.

    Does everything I need done.

    Thanks.
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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    That's what I did when concept-testing the idea. Took it out the local lake, swamped it, loosened the herc straps holding the iakos in place, slid the iakos in till it looked right, and then righted...
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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    Seems like disconnecting would defeat the functionality of using that ama as floatation to raise the vaka out of the water while righting - so that the water inside gets dumped.

    The idea being to...
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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    I wonder how far out the safety ama has to be to do it's job.

    If I ever try fooling around with one, I think I will start with it very close to the vaka - maybe just enough room to paddle.

    Then...
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    Re: Cleats Under Ulua Seat: How Far Down From Gunwale?

    I use a steering paddle on trimaran tack and a steering oar on proa tack.

    Another option would be to load whatever gear is being carried out over the ama, but I don't carry much gear.

    Now...
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    Re: Cleats Under Ulua Seat: How Far Down From Gunwale?

    I'm trying to figure out what he's using for the broken wing ama.

    Maybe an old-but-very-skinny SUP turned upside-down?
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    Re: Cleats Under Ulua Seat: How Far Down From Gunwale?

    Assuming I want to screw this seat in place instead of gluing it (against the day when I need to move it), can anybody suggest a number of screws?

    When I did the test fit it became clear that the...
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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    Sounds like that might also work for sailing if one is willing to hike out on the non-ama side.
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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    Yes.

    I still cannot paddle Ulua reliably without using a rudder. Seems like once the bow deviates a certain amount from course, it's all over and no amount of corrective stroke will save it until...
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    Rough-Sanded Epoxy: Ok To Spar Varnish?

    I have removed a couple of 2x2 stringers that were epoxy-bonded to the inside of my canoe.

    In their place is an area of sanded epoxy about 4" wide - but rough-sanded so it has very much of a matte...
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    Re: Cleats Under Ulua Seat: How Far Down From Gunwale?

    "Cleat" being "Seat Stringer" in the diagram, right?

    Yeah, sounds a little inane.. but the penalty for failure is severe...
  42. Re: Vacuum Bagging vs Careful, Thorough Squeeging?

    No, I have never vacuum bagged.

    I have read quite a bit about it, but wanted to hear from those with real-world experience.

    It's been calling out to me since getting a full insurance...
  43. Vacuum Bagging vs Careful, Thorough Squeeging?

    First off, thanks Tod Bradshaw for succinctly stating Epoxy vs Poly thing.

    Now one more:

    Given a squeegee-able surface area - as in the outside of a hull - is there a significant advantage to...
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    Glass Over Wood: Why Epoxy?

    Epoxy seems tb the standard - expecially for encapsulated wood strip construction.

    But my recollection is that polyester resin as a *lot* cheaper.

    So there's got to be a reason...

    ??
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    Re: The outrigger and proa thread

    I tried to PM, but no joy.

    Sent you a regular eMail at your gMail account.

    Let me know if you received it?
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    Seat Cleats: Choice Of Timber?

    I have a spec for "1-1/4x1-1/4"(30x30mm) cleats glued to hull to support seats".

    "Hull" is strip-built epoxy-encapsulated cedar.

    The Question:

    What kind of wood would you use?

    My...
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    Cleats Under Ulua Seat: How Far Down From Gunwale?

    I'm ready to put new seats into Ulua, but cannot find a spec for how far down the seats go from the top of the gunwale.

    Seems tb a critical measurement bco the forces generated by the leeboard.
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    Re: Small Repair: Weave or Chop?

    I've been using 2" clear cellophane tape - more because it's at hand than anything else.

    I guess I'm introducing an additional need for sanding (contamination with the tape's adhesive) after the...
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    Re: Small Repair: Weave or Chop?

    I think that addresses the question that I should have asked in the first place.

    Thanks!
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    Re: Small Repair: Weave or Chop?

    What about strength? Is there a diff?

    If I put chopped glass in there, cover it with clear packing tape, and then squeegee it will come out very smooth: almost zero sanding except for feathering...
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