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WB 126-127 (I think) did a how to build article on Bryan's "Daisy". I'd noticed this boat gracing the cover of Gardner's "Building Classic Small Craft". I am wondering if it is Bryan's own design, or...

George said: George, it is precisely this type of sloganeering that makes me wonder if you have been paying attention.

First, the fact that all of the dots have not been connected by means of the...

Milo, I'll bite. Recall, that a lot of this has to do with evolution being a theory rather than fact. With that in mind, I would simply point out to you that scientists are still on the hunt for the...

Keith, honestly, I have found so many of George's posts incoherent and inconsistent that I'm not sure what to think and if I missed a metaphor it would not be the first time.

With respect to Sam's...

Sam, that poor beknighted and Quixotic bastard! His "philosophic foreground" is causing him to stubbornly profess agnosticism towards the claim that evolutionary theory adequately explains life's...

George said: George, I missed the resolution. Repeat it to me slowly please.

Dennis

Meerkat said: Well, Meer, I've not argued that the world doesn't. I am saying that it does, but that it does not exist sufficiently of itself. Its existence is entirely dependent upon something else....

George said: George, here is where the scientists make formal and final causality out of the whole cloth of physicality. If time is only something that we can perceive in the here and now, then...

George said: What? Eternity, by definition is timelessness, so time cannot be posited as an absolute. Consequently, time, either in its flow or dimension, is limited.

Dennis

Andrew, I think St. Anselm was right. I love that argument!
Dennis

George said: George, as I said to Ian, ACB trailed de Chardin's coat tails across the discussion -- a troll that I went for. If ACB wanted to inject Chardin into the discussion he very well could...

Ian M said: Ian, I missed the gentle tease. That is what one gets for snapping at trailing coat tails on de Chardin (read troll -- quite effective) and being limited to print media where one misses...

Meerkat said: Meer, your opinion is not rooted in observation. The material world need not exist. Something that need not exist indicates that at one time it did not. And since it did not exist at...

George said: George, I have read and studied de Chardin, have you? There is much in it that is interesting, but I reject it because it is not coherent.

Dennis

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Ian M said: I am sure it would not take long for Sam to realize that the implications of de Chardin's work are pantheist. There are better ways to approach the problem than de Chardin's.

Ian...

US Navy 6 years '79-'85.
Cryptologic Tech/ 2nd Class PO
Navy Expeditionary Medal (Iran Rescue Mission :( )

Dennis

Doug, do you have any pics of the Windward 15? How about a report of its sailing abilities? I'd appreciate any info as I've admired that particular boat for some time.

Dennis

Ian M said: I will assume that I am one of the “some” that this comment is directed towards, Sam is probably the other, but since he is a big boy and can take care of himself without me speaking...

Keith, agreed that science cannot prescribe morality. One cannot derive a moral ought from empirical science (e.g., what to do with nuclear fusion).

Your evolutionary description may describe the...

Meerkat said: Well, Meer, are you going back on what you said? It seems I did by leaving a word out of the post you responded to. :rolleyes: :eek: This is the first time in the three years...

George said: No, George, I am not. My posts over the course of the past few days demonstrate my positions quite clearly, but we are not going to be able to go further on the issue because you say ...

George said: Come now George. The evolutionism/creationism argument is really a non-issue, isn't it? When either scientists or religionists argue the "mechanics" of how the world came to existence,...

Meerkat said: Well, Meer, I have been saying something similar, haven't I? That the idea of God is rooted in the experience of questioning existence and following those questions to their...

Meer, you might be right. But my argument from contingency was not based on faith, but from exploring one unavoidable experience that we share. I don't know how one cannot follow it to its...

"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it is too dark to read." Groucho Marx

George, the schoolmen are often made fun of because they liked to make distinctions and...

George, I am glad you don't do inquisitions. I understand that they can be quite painful if not down right deadly.

First, I don't speculate about Martians. Pose that question to Walt Whitman.
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Keith said: Keith, I don't deny that knowing the world is useful. I am not limiting knowing to untility. You are. I have not denied the imaginative power of the mind either, but to imply that we...

George said: You are right George, I haven't and I really don't intend to until you give me some justification for your attributing knowledge and understanding to elephants and even other sensate...

Keith said: Keith and George, of course the physical world doesn't point clearly to a particular God. I never made that claim. Clear and unambiguous evidence is not available to us by reason...

Jack said: Why do we have to and how do you know?

Dennis

George said: Why aren't you willing to accept that we live in a world in which God has revealed himself? And that this revelation irrevocably changes the way we view the world, understand nature...

George said How are you using the languague "know" and understand with respect to the elephant? If you are equating that with human forms of knowing, then I would have to disagree with you. That...

Keith, I will agree to your ammendation where you say It is a point well taken, but as you know, there are some interlocutors' responses here that cannot help but be interpreted that religious...

OK, Meerkat. Let me respond to your post, but first let me assure you that I knew you did not really think me feeble minded. I should have used those smiley diddywhoppers to let you know I was...

Meerkat, I'll respond more fully to your post tonight, if I don't, you can bet I will get back to it.

Keith, "constricted" in the sense that I am using it does not happen in the world, but in the...

Meerkat, you should be kinder to the feeble minded. By your own diagnosis I am both deluded and now Jesuitical! Can we go for a trifecta? While these I may certainly be, I am not the one who claims...

George said: This would certainly ring "true" George, if God was nature as you claimed elsewhere. But there are certain difficulties here. First, you need to provide some reasonable evidence of what...

Meerkat said: Meer, by the experience of contingency I mean our radical experience of our dependent existence.

I haven't claimed a correspondence of a "belief" at all. You are the one who...

Meerkat said: The experience of contingency.

Further: By a correspondence of the intellect to what is.

Dennis

As a former WV resident, I would like to know how a primarily democratic state can go Republican. Any insights?

Dennis

Osbourne Russel, to say that we are hard wired for speech is simply saying that we have the capacity for it. It does not address my claim that there is nothing in the mind that isn't first in the...

Keith said: This is what I admire about you Keith, you do a darn good job of examining the question. Why do you leave off at "but still. . ."? Mathematics is the most abstract science that we...

Cute George tongue.gif But if you return to my original quote, you will note that I mentioned the word truth. Obiviously, Zeus, Isis, et al., have not measured up to the truth the intellect...

Keith said: Keith, I doubt that this will make a difference, but this morning when I was typing I was thinking of other things and should have said "There is nothing in the mind that isn't first in...

OR said: Actually, a human thought about God is still human. But, since all human thought is properly oriented to an objective reality to which it corresponds, the more fully it knows the truth,...

Ian M said:
Ian, the only folks (the we to whom you refer) I know who call "realism" idealism are political scientists. Philosophers know better. But then again, noone ever held political science...

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle states that you cannot measure the exact speed and location of a particle of matter at the same time. How that gets translated into a metaphysical principle that...

Whew! Ian. I was afraid you were going to unleash the culinary delight of kidney pie upon us.

Dennis

I really don't get it either, George, but it has something to do with the principle that "like begets like." I don't understand how using an evolutionary model of fetal development leads one to the...

It seems to me that science cannot "get at" something from nothing precisely because science has to do with something. Metaphysics would be the "science" that deals with such things. As Stanley Jacki...