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  1. Ronny Jackson seems to snort a line ... while sitting in the House of Congress.

    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1640830716266319874?s=20

    You remember that White House doctor, Ronny Jackson? The guy who reputedly drank on the job, hooked up folks on plane trips with Ambien...
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    Re: Toast is almost done.

    to wit, she's just been slapped by the current MAGA-friendly Twitter content review folks with a 7 day restriction on what her account's able to do. Because even Musk's Twitter thinks she's crossed...
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    Re: Toast is almost done.

    You're gonna have a bunch of violence . The Trumpists in and out of Congress don't care that he's crooked. It's a bonus, by now. That's what the thousands of insignificant lies wrought: there's...
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    Toast is almost done.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/28/us/politics/pence-testify-jan-6-grand-jury.html?unlocked_article_code=lNOR8rDxjoSqmfhpITBV1yJmcjCOjTCKxiUe26DmyRZwIb0_Eh6rsUZKQUtm1a3awDAkdfthe2W6-z0Dq8OWsYw9441DKzW...
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    Re: I Drew An Art. It’s Not A Boat Art.

    What Elf said.
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    Re: Sight reading music without an instrument

    Singer, cellist, pianist, flute and Irish whistles too. Yeah, I'll read without an instrument for any of them, but it's a whole lot easier with single line instruments than when a piano gets busy. ...
  7. Thread: Religion's role

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    If the book is about how to build a nuke in your garage or make and set an IED using stuff you'd buy at local stores, yeah. Etc.

    There must be, imo, a genuine risk of significant harm to others...
  8. Thread: Waco rally

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    Re: Waco rally

    https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1640167188035166210

    Look at the clips from Israel. Hundreds of thousands of people in the streets defending their version of democracy from Netanyahu's...
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    https://twitter.com/johnpavlovitz/status/1640000667149295617?s=20
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    Re: I Drew An Art. It’s Not A Boat Art.

    You'd think that one of the sports organizations would develop some irony and have suspenders for their top fighter. But nope.
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    Re: I Drew An Art. It’s Not A Boat Art.

    very fun.
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    Re: I spent the morning in the ER

    every word of this. Pulling for you, John.
  13. Thread: Religion's role

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    Re: Religion's role

    How would you feel about people picketing a neo-Nazi rally? It may or may not be a safe place to protest, but still.

    Presumably the protesters would be disputing the content of the neo-Nazi...
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    Re: Graham admonished by his colleagues

    It's a start. But "admonished"? Really?

    Not chided, reproved, scolded? Rebuked, or even berated?

    I'm sure the utterly shameless Graham, immune to even an awareness of his own flip-floppery,...
  15. Thread: Religion's role

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    Re: Religion's role

    It's happened. My dad got regular poison pen letters , occasionally got this or that event picketed . .. by members of other churches who felt his stands on things were the work of the devil.
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  16. Re: Michelangelo’s 16th century “David” sculpture “pornographic".

    It was indeed utterly repulsive in the ancient world when Christians adopted the sign of the cross. Exactly for the same reason that it would be repulsive if today a group adopted the sign of an...
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    You're not answering my question, John.

    My question is this: if the Post Office had hired this guy, and then after a bit of time in the job he said "I can't work on Saturdays. I'll be kicked...
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    Good, you found a way to accommodate. That's appropriate, or he shouldn't have been hired. There are some positions where that couldn't have been accommodated - and shouldn't have been hired.

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  19. Re: Michelangelo’s 16th century “David” sculpture “pornographic".

    I think they're afraid that Michelangelo was a groomer. I mean, centuries later, and David's willy is still hard as rock.

    The DeSantis crowd must be really threatened by that kind of staying...
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    I dunno, John, But probably there'd be a way to accommodate. I mean, what if you had an Olympic team member get hired in the same kind of probationary position, and he said that his coach required...
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    Re: Happy Birthday to StevenBauer…

    Best wishes indeed, Steven. Hope it's a brilliant day, and year.
  22. Thread: Trump is Toast

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    Re: Trump is Toast

    Sad thing is, what Trump and the Trumpists are doing is very normal in the decline of democracies into authoritarian rule. It's textbook, actually.

    The question is going to be whether enough...
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    Re: Religion's role

    Progress in a discussion depends on finding enough mutual respect to listen to what the other person is saying, not merely to what you think they're saying. You have to be willing to listen with...
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    What I'm arguing about the performative religiosity of Christo-Nationalist politicians ... is that it's performative, not genuine. I think the same is true for a huge number of people who are in the...
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    Does anyone actually think that Trump's a "Christian," for instance? There are many "accidentally open microphone" episodes where before or after his cadre of Nationalist "ministers" prayed over him...
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    Re: Trump is Toast

    If it's marmalade, it seems like it's gone off.
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    Re: Trump is Toast

    the toast has orange mold on it. Better off with the hash browns.
  28. Thread: Religion's role

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    How about if a coalition of religious and "Irrelevantist" people decide to implement anti-trans or anti-gay policies?

    Really. You actually think that every damned Republican lawmaker is...
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    As I said earlier, John, while I'm not about to claim that being "An Irrelevantist" is your religion ... it is absolutely your baseline premise about religion. It is the foundational aspect of how...
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    Trump seems to be intending to have a pre-trial gag order imposed on him by a judge, when indictments do ultimately come. Restricting internet access and posting privileges, just as happens to a...
  31. Thread: Religion's role

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    Re: Religion's role

    Well said, CW.
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    Re: Religion's role

    I really waffle on that. It's certainly not any spirituality that I personally participate in. But if I truly, in my heart of hearts thought that aborting a cluster of cells the size of a pencil...
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    Full disclosure: the abortion clinic in my little town, (now closed due to the switch for 80% of abortions in my province to pharmaceutical) was on my walking route to work. For years I walked...
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    100% that mutual respect means mutual. And that there are many, many examples of religious folks showing none.

    I've already said that in a pluralistic society I find it unacceptable to force...
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    John, what you're not getting is the key point of my post. Your "Irrelevantist" premise is core to how you experience the world, and to how you believe decisions ought to be grounded in public...
  36. Thread: Where is trump?

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    Re: Where is trump?

    He's apparently raised about $1.5M since "leaking" the expectation. And doubtless he'll be able to use the absence of the indictment as "proof" that his base's overwhelming and lucrative reaction...
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    Re: Where is trump?

    There are some reports that he's said he wants to be handcuffed, preferably hands behind his back, for the visual impact in his later fundraising.
  38. Thread: Where is trump?

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    Re: Where is trump?

    Gaetz has apparently gone out saying that DeSantis is being a disloyal weenie for not saying loudly that he'd refuse to honour a New York (or presumably Georgia) extradition request.
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    They're not being subtle about the authoritarian turn.
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    Seems to me that crooks need to lawyer up too, in every proceeding. Trump's various defense attorneys are getting significant advertising exposure for their prospective client base. What better way...
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    I get that, John. You really have been saying "sing Christmas carols in Christmas concerts" etc., I agree. You have been saying that coercing someone into praying is overstepping.

    I utterly...
  42. Re: Author of Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill pleads guilty

    A data point towards proving the existence of a just God? Who's tired of this crap and isn't gonna take it anymore?
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    Word out tonight about the Mar a Lago documents case. Judge Howell last week ordered that one of Trump's lawyers had to answer further questions to a grand jury, because the attorney client...
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    Re: Religion's role

    You think mere words or images of persuasion or normalization of a viewpoint are innocuous? Risk no real consequences?

    Remind me, why did you launch this thread? ;)
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    No, they're not. Actually, they're all things which religious people have picketed because of their religious beliefs ... alongside non-religious people picketing because of their non-religious...
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    For the similar range of reasons that people might picket any business. Maybe the owners of a company have a terrible record about environmental protection, or about the treatment of migrant...
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    Rick, I appreciate your response. Its entirely possible that I'm oversensitive by now, but it sure feels like discussions of religious folks' attitudes, impacts, etc skew towards considering folks...
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    I agree. Yet it's also been drilled into me through martial arts practice that one's obligation is to practice the utmost restraint. That self defense must be defensive, and that there's a...
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    My profs maintained that it's better translated as against murder, rather than against all killing.

    I can't recall the specific Hebrew wording offhand, but the various commentators observed that...
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    Who gets to draw the lines saying that this or that law is primarily being based on specific religious values or beliefs, Tom?

    I mean, you dismiss the notion that we should treat laws against...
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