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John Smith
05-14-2009, 03:17 PM
I saw a really elaborate bumper sticker with "ONE NATION UNDER GOD" on it.

These words in the Pledge have been the subject of much heated debate.

What, exactly, does one nation under God mean?

Taylor Tarvin
05-14-2009, 03:22 PM
What, exactly, does one nation under God mean?

What it means is that even Eisenhower knuckled under to "Tail Gunner Joe" McCarthy in 1954.

John of Phoenix
05-14-2009, 03:31 PM
Good one Taylor.

John Smith
05-14-2009, 03:34 PM
I agree.

I'd really like someone who believes in this phrase to explain it.

Kind of like "Family Values". Everyone supported them, but no one could define them.

John Smith
05-14-2009, 04:05 PM
It's very simple, John.

"One Nation Under God" means "MY God, not yours!"

"Family Values" means "MY family values, not yours!"
Ah, but what are YOUR family values, and how do they relate to the number of parents you have?

Keith Wilson
05-14-2009, 04:08 PM
One for Mr. Dobson: a bumper sticker I saw in Berkeley years ago:

http://images7.cafepress.com/product/36470887v1_350x350_Front.jpg

Taylor Tarvin
05-14-2009, 04:30 PM
Ah, but what are YOUR family values, and how do they relate to the number of parents you have?

Since I grew up in a two parent household I wouldn't have any other basis to relate our family values to.

Keith Wilson
05-14-2009, 04:49 PM
My family's pretty valuable. It's expensive, at least ..

John Smith
05-14-2009, 06:20 PM
This is becoming a very endarkening thread.:D

Captain Intrepid
05-14-2009, 06:44 PM
Personally as Christian, it would offend me if I was one to get offending about things. The US in no way actually behaves in a Christian fashion. Its simple grandstanding, pandering to those without a clue.

seanz
05-14-2009, 06:44 PM
Is Saudi Arabia 'One Nation under God'?
How does O.N.U.G. apply to athiests, agnostics and Hindus?





What, exactly, does one nation under God mean?

What it means is that even Eisenhower knuckled under to "Tail Gunner Joe" McCarthy in 1954.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower#Religion

I have doubts that McCarthy would have influenced Eisenhower.

Taylor Tarvin
05-14-2009, 07:16 PM
I have doubts that McCarthy would have influenced Eisenhower.

Eisenhower was a very religious person. However in 1954 he was trying not to draw attention to the Oppenheimer, H-bomb problem. He probably would have given McCarthy a pass on just about anything. Eisenhower personally despised McCarthy and everything he stood for. Especially after Joe went after the Army.

James McMullen
05-15-2009, 09:32 AM
The whole "under God" thing is an obvious add-on to the Pledge of Allegiance--totally wrecks the scansion and meter of it. As such, I invoke my First Amendment rights to not recite such clumsy, chopped up doggerel--especially doggerel that clearly violates this same First Amendment by establishing religion!