Floozie update-pics

[videoguy]

Well, today we rolled Floozie out of the boat shop and built a very rough mock-up of the cabin.
I think she’s going to look just fine.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid65/pf6e616836932cba6b4e7050e6e221cd0/fbebb1cd.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid65/p6cf4facf4f8bf6b684d304c876352ee5/fbebb1d7.jpg
I’m not sure if I should have the bottom of the windows follow the line of the deck like in the photo,
or have the bottom of the windows in a stright line parallel to the water line. Because of the different widths of the windows, I’m also not sure how to handle the curves at the tops of the windows. I think the best way to handle it would be to keep the tops of the windows even and vary the radius of the curves.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid65/p63fc08d4fb569912c38feff00f27371d/fbebb1cf.jpg

As for the cabin top, I don’t think I want too much crown in it. I would like it to follow the sheer line
a little but I’m afraid it might look too much like Little Toot, the cartoon tug boat. Besides, it could cause
a head room problem. If anyone has any suggestions on these points they sure would be welcome....... smile.gif :confused: ....Phil

[Rick Tyler]

Originally posted by videoguy:
Well, today we rolled Floozie out of the boat shop and built a very rough mock-up of the cabin.

I’m not sure if I should have the bottom of the windows follow the line of the deck like in the photo,
or have the bottom of the windows in a straight line parallel to the water line. Because of the different widths of the windows, I’m also not sure how to handle the curves at the tops of the windows. The bottoms of the windows look good following the sheer line. I'd leave them like that.

The arches of the windows do look a little odd in the mock-up. Maybe if you made the arches less curved it might look better? Is there any way to make the windows the same width? Having the tops straight and parallel with the cabin roof wouldn't look that bad either.

I cannot tell from the cartoon whether the cabin roof is parallel to the waterline, the sheer, or whether it has its own plane. Usually, I think cabin tops look best level to the waterline. YMMV.

Really nice boat, by the way. Congratulations.

- Rick Tyler

[jlapratt]

Phil,

Roof line parallel to water line with slight crown. Bottom of windows follow sheer.

Somehow your mockup doesn't seem to follow your drawing. The cabin in the drawing has the right proportions and nice lines.

Jeff

[Paul Scheuer]

Keep noodling Video. Maybe try some of the final color on the mock ups. You'll know it when it's right.

In the signature sketch, it looks like the two cabin tops and the open cockpit have a nice ratio, that the windows mimic. I know that you've changed the cabin layout, so you need to find the magic ratios again for the windows.

By the way, she look terrific. :cool:

[Stiletto]

I agree with Paul. Perhaps the radius ratio could be expressed as a percentage of width.
You've made a nice job of the hull, I'm sure youll get it right in the end.

[R.I.Singer30]

I agree that it is looking very fine.NICELY DONE smile.gif

[ 06-20-2003, 12:20 AM: Message edited by: R.I.Singer30 ]

[Wild Dingo]

Phil mate!! shes looking a bobby flamin dazzler mate! :cool: Nope Im not gonna critize at all Im gonna say she looks just fine and dandy what with that wee funny flag stuck out her bum ;) and that lovely little wheel at her helm and... gawd is that a compass??? where yer off to without tellin us mate??!! :eek: :D

Seems the curve aint in the sig mate? maybes Im not seein it or youve changed it somewhat? if so why not just go back to what you originally drew out?... You will get there mate!! say gidday to the missus from us will yer! :cool:

[ken mcclure]

Looks GREAT!

I'd have the line through the apexes (apices?) of the window-top arches follow the roof-line.

[ErikH]

Nice boat!

The real problem to my eye is that you have a space devided by two unequal-width windows, which leads to different radius arcs on the same panel. That's OK if you have a pattern (small in the middle surrounded by two identical wide ones) as you do on houses. But it looks a tad odd on the mockup.

I think you could entirely solve the problem by making the pair of windows equal widths, and therefore of equal radius. Although you'll still have other widths/radii on the other sections of the house, they're different enough visually because of the roof drop not to look odd.

If you're fixed on having them be different widths, I'd go with a flat or angled top... eg something like this:

/------\....../----\
/........\...../......\
|........|.....|......|

(Sorry about the dots; I had trouble getting the BB not to erase the spaces.)
That lets you get the same 'radius' (the angle) on both, but by shrinking the middle horizontal part, you keep the heights the same. If you like curves you could do the same with quarter radii separated by a horizontal.

[ 06-18-2003, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: ErikH ]

[John Blazy]

Beautiful job Phil!
That hull looks slick n fair. This will be a wonderful boat. You have the opportunity to really accentuate the lines, as the lines on this kind of boat really define its aesthetics, so first off, like others have said,

- Is to keep the apex of the top of the arcs parallel to the roofline, while the arcs need to be calculated for each window, i.e. tighter radius for narrow windows, larger for larger etc. not same for all, so that the upper left and right corners (bottom of arcs) of windows line up parallel to roof line

- Use a beam & trammel point (large compass) to draw out actual radius arcs on window tops, not bent battens as it appears you have done due to the 'pointy' curves in the arcs of the windows (narrow window shows this).

- Bottom window line should not only follow the sheer line, but in good design, this line would have a narrower margin fore, and widening aft. As if you strung a line connected to the bow and pulled it to match the curve of the sheer, but lifted it up the 3 or 4" needed to establish the windowsill line.
Sorry for appearing like a know-it-all, but I majored in high-end furniture design in college (RIT) and had critiques from Wendall Castle himself.

[Pete Dorr]

I'd do this:

make the skinny and wide windows the same width/arc

put more of a space between these 2 and the last window - just nudge it to the right a few inches

For further mockup on top of your mockup get some poster board - easier than pulling the ply down.

You can also use the poster board to mock up different ways to handle the bottom of the windows. I think you might like the 2 with level bottom and then the rightmost with the bottom level and dropped an inch or 2

[Paul Scheuer]

By all means, mock up with poster board or corrugated. If you don't want to cut the pieces, draw the shapes of the areas with contrasting colors.

[videoguy]

I just knew you guys would come through with some good ideas -THANKS….
I’ll let the bottom of the windows follow the deck and I had way too much crown in the tops of the windows. I think that curve should be very subtle. The window furthest aft will be in the head so I’m kinda locked in to where that post is because of the bulkhead, but I think all the posts need to be thicker.

The whole thing looked like too much glass and not enough wood. I’m locked into the size of the second window-that is going to be a door and needs to be wide enough to lean out and handle lines.
I think a cockpit combing will also help lengthen the look of the cabin, but it will need to be able to fold down to get in and out of the boat
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/pe80145cde70db7b9a8f9bc7c996d59ad/fbe3083b.jpg
This is a shot of the next version. I know I’m not quite there yet, but I’m getting closer. I was also toying with the idea of a round port for the window in the head. Feel free to let me know what you think of the changes, and let me know if you have any more suggestions. Thanks again.. smile.gif Phil