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obscured by clouds
03-27-2009, 02:55 PM
My new project is running somewhat behind the schedule I had set myself.

After picking up the boat – hereafter renamed ‘Sibrwd’ , which is welsh for ‘Whisper’ and getting it back to Sian’s house in one piece I started on the takedown. The cockpit floors were just so much weetabix and had to be shovelled out. The ply had completely degenerated, ditto the bearers holding it up, the centreboard cheeks, the decks and the carlins. Once all that was removed, it was the turn of the outer and inner gunnels which although not rotten, were suspect enough to warrant replacement. What I had left was essentially a glass fibre shell.


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Sibrwd gutted





I decided against leaving Sibrwd at Sian’s some 8 miles away and after we returned from holidays in October, I carted her home where she sat on the trailer for the next couple of months whilst I made abortive attempts to grind away all the loose and suspect glass fibre inside her.

Whilst this was happening I was also vainly looking for a suitable building to use as a workshop, so she could dried out and worked upon in somewhat more comfy surroundings than the parking area opposite the house. After a couple of weeks of looking, I stumbled upon a building barely a mile from where I lived, in a place I had long known about but had completely overlooked.


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The garage



There was room aplenty at the new site – an old stable/garage attached to the outbuildings of a large house, now a restaurant. The range was still owned by the original family and although in a state of some disrepair would do nicely. The rent at a mere £10 a week swung it. I spent Christmas clearing the ivy off the roof and trying to push some of the looser slates back into place. Then I lined the interior with the tarp that was covering the boat; tacking it to the principal rafters with battens. This would ensure that any rain getting in would run down the tarp and then the stone walls, not that much would. Once summer is here I can do a better job of it. The place was a bit damp, a brick floor ensured that, but I can warm it up courtesy of a gas fire donated by my sister. Once I’ve salvaged the decent workbench which I found in the ruins next door, I’ll be ready to go.

The boat was duly installed, sliding off the trailer and onto wooden bearers without much bother. Now I could start work in earnest; grinding back the nasties being the first job, followed by prepping the floors and cockpit sole, turning the boat over using the already installed Large Piece of Timber up above to attach my block and tackle to. I fired up the generator and prepared to do battle, only for it to die some minutes later. The engine was running lovely like, it just wasn’t pumping out any juice. So it will be off to the repairers and I guess I’ll be hiring one in for the w/end.


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Sibrwd ensconsed, ready to go



I’ve been quietly amassing the timber needed for the rebuild and seem to have most of what I require for the first part. Now I have to go and be nice to an old guy who has a nearby timberyard and sawmill.

The rebuild brief is simple: put in a new cockpit sole on new floors, seal the edges to make a watertight compartment so that in the event of a capsize the boat won’t sink – easier said than done I suspect given the ease by which water can get into things – especially boat shaped things. For years I was pumping out rainwater from the Soling, and wondering where it all got in. I eventually traced it to a tiny screw hole in the deck that had’nt been sealed properly.

Once the sole is down and the gunnels, inside and out are renewed I can start on re-building the deck: again this is reasonably straightforward on paper, or would be if I had plans. No, I’ll be doing it ‘by eye’ where things will sort of *hang* where I want them to be, whilst I make up bearers and wedges and whatnot to make them permanent.

Then, once all that is completed and the bright work done and everything painted and varnished, and all the hardware installed, I can start thinking about building two masts, various spars and then acquiring sails…


to be continued.............

Larks
03-28-2009, 08:13 AM
Looks like a fun project Shadey and nice to see you've got the shed sorted. Looks like a fireplace in the background there to suplement the gas fire. What is the boat by the way? Or is there a thread that I've missed on it?

Cheers mate and best of luck wth it all, 'looking forward to seeing the progress.

BTW, whereabouts in Wales are you?

Hwyl
03-28-2009, 08:28 AM
Da iawn, what design is it (or was it) surely not a National 18?

James McMullen
03-28-2009, 09:37 AM
The cockpit floors were just so much weetabix and had to be shovelled out.

Ewwwwwww! What a horrible, but wonderfully descriptive phrase. Yuck!

obscured by clouds
03-28-2009, 10:21 AM
whereabouts in Wales are you? Abersoch area - NW Wales


Da iawn, what design is it (or was it) surely not a National 18? diolch, yep it is/was a National 18 from around 1970. A massively strong layup on the hull, everything else is wood.

When she's reborn, she'll be very different rig wise... there will be a 180sqft lugsail and a jigger mizzen.

It follows on from an article in Classic Boat from around 10 years ago where one was converted, and I kept the article in the off chance that an old '18' would fall into my lap - which it did!

This is how I found her [after bringing her back to Wales]:

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and this is what she looked like inside after a day with a shovel and axe:

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I'll post progress with photos as I go. Hopefully she'll be ready by the winter:rolleyes:

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Hwyl
03-28-2009, 04:32 PM
I remember the article, I still think they were cool boats in their own right. There were a couple of wooden ones at Felinheli/Portdinorwic a million years ago

Concordia...41
03-28-2009, 04:35 PM
Congratulations! On boat ... on shed ... on good luck ... on spirit...

Keep us posted!

- M

obscured by clouds
08-26-2009, 12:24 PM
The 18 project is still puttering gently along since I decided that an all out, one-hit rebuild was'nt on.

The realisation that given that the time available to me was'nt going to be enough to get the job done before the end of the summer, I might as well just take my time, do the job methodically and think things through before applying saw to wood or even glue to hull. as someone on here said 'measure once, curse twice'.

So from getting the boat undercover last winter, I have spent my time acquiring wood, sawing it, measuring up, buying epoxy and sealer, measuring more wood and ply and just generally feeling my way forward, essential when you have few plans to go by and have to make it up as you go along.

It was something of a red letter day when I finally got going on the rebuild. First in were the new floors in 9mm ply to form self contained buoyancy / storage areas, either side of a central spine. Then 2x1 df stringers were glued in and noggins placed between them to carry the 6mm ply sole. The whole lot was sealed with eposeal and the sole bogged down on sikaflex and held own with bronze gripfast nails.

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floors build

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cockpit sole going down


The hatches are cut out and I am reasonably happy with the outcome; it's not perfect but it's ok, and to the cursory glance you would'nt know that it's ever so slightly twisted. ;)

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sole down and sealed

The hatches are just offered up at the moment. The sole is only 6mm ply, but well supported and sealed up with eposeal.
There is a sealed storage buoyancy chamber under each one and a larger one under each round inspection hatch 6 in all. The cockpit will be painted. The c/plate box is capped with some meranti I salvaged from a doorframe.

obscured by clouds
08-26-2009, 12:24 PM
The next and more difficult section is just starting - building the decks.

First off was the foredeck framing, incorporating the mast partners and heel plate for the single lugsail mainmast.
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I used 9mm ply because wanted a curved foredeck and I was'nt sure I would get that from the dimensioned DF I had. The cenral box is around 6 x 9" so that I have some wiggle room for getting the mast rake right. It may be that I'll put a mast ram in to get a degree of adjustment for trim purposes on the 20' unstayed birdsmouth mast. I'll add some 1" sq battens to stiffen it up if need be. since the mast will weigh a fair amount, albeit raked back at 15* I wanted to keep as much weight out of the bows as I could, so it may be a little lighter built than maybe one would like.

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The plastic pipe is a mock up of the epoxy and glass cone I might use to hold the mast in place.

Next job, a start on the side decks. I offered up the carlins to check out the profiles. What'dya think?

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all in all the shed is now pretty full.

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I just hope the owner does'nt want it for a year or so again!

obscured by clouds
10-03-2009, 04:41 AM
Things are moving along slowly but surely. The cockpit sole is down all sealed and proper like, and the side deck framing has at last been finished - just a couple more bearers to install, but those can wait until the ply deck is glued in so that I can make sure that I have a decent landing for the joint on the quarter.

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of course like all boats, glass or not, there is a bit of assymetrically to the hull, nothing extreme, but enough to ensure that you need to measure both sides and not assume what fits one side will automatically do for the other.

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The next bit is sanding bck all those drips and smears, applying another coat of eposeal, installing the c/plate case top, painting everything that needs painting inside the boat, and then turning everything over so I can get to the underside.
I had intended to do that as the first job, but I thought that the shell was too flimsy to do that and decided to add some stiffness. I got sort of carried away ;) and now have to possibly resort to 'plan B' careening her over far enough to do one side and the bottom and then shifting her the other way to do t'other side. It's no biggie really.

katiedobe
10-03-2009, 09:35 AM
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pipefitter
10-03-2009, 02:20 PM
You are doing a great job there.

Larks
10-04-2009, 04:35 AM
Terrific job Shadey, how did you come up with the deck framing? Is that what you pulled out or did you manage to find some plans? Or is this more the result of some good common sense and practical ingenuity?

obscured by clouds
10-04-2009, 07:55 AM
No plans. What was pulled out was'nt what I wanted to go back in [take a look at the first photos in the thread :o].

Common sense? well, that's pretty rare. Practical ingenuity? closer to the mark. I wanted to bring the coaming to a point, in keeping with my 'end vision'. So I needed something strong, but reasonably light, to hang everything on/ off, and triangulated to the gunnels and bulkhead for stiffness.

I've been agonising over what deck is going in - I did'nt want sapele and could'nt afford it anyway, and it needed to be light so in the end decided to try 4mm birch faced ply - light coloured, light weight. Only problem, it needs more support - hence the 1" sq battens on the diagonal.

If I'd had more time and motivation I'd have run them in the opposite direction too.

Thre's a curve to the foredeck, so each piece will need a little adjustment to carry that through and then fade it into the side-decks.

if I'm suitably inclined I might just lay a 2mm layer of either cherry or elm - laid in strips over the top.

Larks
02-11-2012, 04:58 AM
Bump!!!....like you said on Margo's thread.......any action here shady?? BTW, your photos have all disappeared.