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Joe (SoCal)
02-03-2009, 08:39 PM
I'm sitting here as spybot and Adware and Avast Virus protector work on this F#cking laptop :mad:

I get this

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/fosterhere/photo-180.jpg

Currently my computer looks like this

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/fosterhere/photo-181.jpg

All of this so I can have a right click :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I had a Mac for over 15 years and NEVER EVER had a PC experience that I've had in the last month.

So you guys seriously have to go through this crap all the time. ABSOFREAKINGLUTLY the MOST ANOYING way to compute.

I just got TEN of these POP UP while I was trying to compose this post

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/fosterhere/photo-182.jpg

WTF
WTF
WTF

How the hell do you guys deal with this ?????

Michael Beckman
02-03-2009, 08:43 PM
You need to find someone local with PC experience to show you how to avoid that stuff. I have not had an issue with spyware/viruses in quite a long time (like 5 years?) I run avast in the background, but havent scanned in quite some time.

I gotta throw a joke image in just for kicks:
http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/Computer-Error-keyboard-chair.jpg

Phillip Allen
02-03-2009, 08:43 PM
ain't his FIRST windows rant... :)

Joe (SoCal)
02-03-2009, 08:46 PM
I don't get attacks like those. Must be they're pickin' on the NFG.
(I predict 5 pages.)

Doug

Dude I used to just open my Mac Powerbook and do what I had to do and close it and be done. NEVER ONCE in over TEN YEARS did I ever run ANY virus / spyware / adware CRAP nor did I ever get infected with ANYTHING IN OVER 15 YEARS !!!!

I Just got THREE MORE security popups

WTF WT (FOUR MORE )
WTF ( EIGHT MORE ) :(

Nanoose
02-03-2009, 08:50 PM
Time to go back to Mac, Joe (lovin my MacBook :))

Michael Beckman
02-03-2009, 08:52 PM
Just don't go too crazy.
http://terriemiller.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/officespacefaxsceen.jpg

But more seriously.. you have a nasty virus, and its very difficult to diagnose/solve the problem via the internet.

Tom Montgomery
02-03-2009, 08:55 PM
But you saved money buying the windoze box. Right?

Russ Manheimer
02-03-2009, 09:01 PM
Sorry Joe, but it's PC business as usual. You'll learn how to fix it and live with it. And plan for a new aluminum MacBook.

How's the shin?

Joe (SoCal)
02-03-2009, 09:02 PM
But you saved money buying the windoze box. Right?

One of the biggest mistakes I've ever made.

Honestly I truly gave it an honest open minded try. But I have NEVER had a more awful experience with a computer in my entire life :(

Basic operations were overly complicated but this other ****e is just mind blowingly absurd.

The simple fact that I've never ever had to deal with all this virus / spam crap before is mindbendingly absurd.

WHY WHY WHY WHY ?????

Memphis Mike
02-03-2009, 09:14 PM
Maybe you'll learn something but I doubt it. I once bent a hub cap too.

TerryLL
02-03-2009, 09:16 PM
WHY WHY WHY WHY ?????

Because it's not a Mac.

Tom Montgomery
02-03-2009, 09:18 PM
I feel your pain. I've owned Macintosh's since 1985 and my computing experience has always been pleasurable. I've had to use windoze boxes at work and have always been struck by how kludgy the Microsloth OS is.

I can understand purchasing a windoze box for professional purposes when a particular Microsloth-only compatible app needs to be used. But for personal use? Apple is the only way to go. Windoze peecees are a false economy.

Joe (SoCal)
02-03-2009, 09:19 PM
What's to learn ?

Does anyone need to learn telecommunications and satellite transmissions to make a ..... (Hold on 10 virus pop ups ) phone call ?

Why is it a badge of honor to LEARN how to use a PC ???
To me it's like getting a PHD in light switch :rolleyes:

Tom Galyen
02-03-2009, 09:19 PM
Joe,

There is always the Mini- Mac!

Tom G. (Seaweed) also a Mac-a-maniac.

P.S. I really do sympathize, I switched from a PC laptop to a Macbook for just the rant you are going through now.

Tar Devil
02-03-2009, 09:20 PM
I've found that Vista isn't very agreeable with anti virus programs that worked well on XP. I've used AV software from Computer Associates for years on my XP (after trying and hating Norton) and it worked like a charm. On Vista, I got blue screen after blue screen. Removed the CA stuff and installed AVG Free... works well together.

S/V Laura Ellen
02-03-2009, 09:23 PM
Joe: If you stop downloading porn and Briteny Spears videos you will stop getting these infections.:D

Joe (SoCal)
02-03-2009, 09:24 PM
FWIW I'm running XP ...... barely

mmd
02-03-2009, 09:28 PM
Jeeze, Joe; you need to talk to your friendly neighbourhood IT techhie. I've been using Windows for ever, and between work, home, and college kid currently have 4 laptops and 3 desktop PC's running pretty much 24/7. I haven't had more than a half-dozen incidents in the past few years where Avast popped up to tell me about an infection. When it did, all I had to do was click on the button that says "Move to Vault" and the problem was done. Over. Kaput. Move on to the next task.

No kidding, I think that your problem lies a.) with the set-up protocols of your anti-virus/firewall software (techhie problem) and b.) your <ahem> lack of experience in using the Windows software. It really shouldn't be that bad...

BarnacleGrim
02-03-2009, 09:28 PM
Seeing the damage is done (by getting a PC) I'd suggest installing Ubuntu, a very capable operating system. But my heart is still with the Mac!

Bruce Taylor
02-03-2009, 09:33 PM
to me it's like getting a phd in light switch :rolleyes:

rofl :D :D

Tar Devil
02-03-2009, 09:51 PM
FWIW I'm running XP ...... barely

I never had problems with my XP machine, once I learned a little about the OS.

elf
02-03-2009, 09:55 PM
Jeeze, Joe; you need to talk to your friendly neighbourhood IT techhie.
Uh, why? When Macs don't do this at all. Why get a PhD in LightSwitch when you don't need it?

To us Mac users it just seems so dumb, to spend any time at all, even the tiniest shred, with this sort of thing. Why would anyone want to bother?

StevenBauer
02-03-2009, 10:01 PM
The real bummer is you could have had a right click with an Apple. My daughter set my Apple Mouse up that way. Who knew?

If your infection is really bad you might need to go to the SpywareInfo Forum. Those guys will talk you through it.

Sorry.

Steven

Joe (SoCal)
02-03-2009, 10:05 PM
Steven the only good thing about working in corporate cubical is I can walk over and give the laptop to IT and go "Uuuuuug computer broke ... fix... give back ....uuuug thank you"

Chris Coose
02-03-2009, 10:09 PM
But can you get all the porn off of it before handing it over?

Michael Beckman
02-03-2009, 10:09 PM
Seeing the damage is done (by getting a PC) I'd suggest installing Ubuntu, a very capable operating system. But my heart is still with the Mac!

This is actually a good idea. I was helping a friend with his computer, he constantly had new virus problems. Installed Ubuntu, and the problems ended.

Joe, if you want to try Ubuntu you can have them ship you a cd here: https://shipit.ubuntu.com/

Free of charge. You can also download and burn an ISO file for a copy easily enough. However, I would find someone local to help you, changing OS can be difficult on some computers.

Joe (SoCal)
02-03-2009, 10:12 PM
But can you get all the porn off of it before handing it over?

Doubt it but I DGAF :p:D

Chip-skiff
02-03-2009, 10:12 PM
Have a Mac at home. I have to use a Windows machine to run specific flow modelling software. Hate it. Very clumsy, buggy, and infuriating. They should call it Shutters.

How this e-crap ever got to be the standard would be a study in marketing and bureaucratic arseheadedness.

mmd
02-03-2009, 10:14 PM
elf, I'm not saying that Joe has to study a damn thing. He has a software installation/setup problem. I seem to recall a few incidences where even the vaunted Mac OS had some of these. If his office IT guy/girl is worth anything, the fix will be done once and Joe won't have these problems ever again. Ever. I don't, and I spend an enormous amount of time on-line every day.

I suspect that Joe won't need to go to college to learn how to move the mouse pointer to the little square on the screen that says "Move to Vault" and click the mouse button. Even technically-challenged Apple users should be able to do that, right?

Why would anyone bother with this stuff? Because when they do, they can join me in my frustration with Mac users who call me to say, "Can you send that spreadsheet/CAD drawing/3D model file again? I can't open it on my Mac..."

Edit to add: What the hell are you guys doing with your PC's ??!!! Seriously, I have not had a virus-induced problem with any of my PC's in years. So much so that my techhie guy called me to ask if I was angry with him and was using a new techhie.

Tom Montgomery
02-03-2009, 10:15 PM
My theory of why Microsoft Windows became the personal computer standard: software piracy.

Michael Beckman
02-03-2009, 10:15 PM
Uh, why? When Macs don't do this at all. Why get a PhD in LightSwitch when you don't need it?

To us Mac users it just seems do dumb, to spend any time at all, even the tiniest shred, with this sort of thing. Why would anyone want to bother?

Because PCs just have so much more capability in the right hands.

And then theres gaming. Probably not the most popular thing on these boards, but for those of us interested in any sort of computer games, macs are useless.

Some people like catboats, some prefer tallships with a million different lines. Is one better than the other?

Michael Beckman
02-03-2009, 10:19 PM
My theory of why Microsoft Windows became the personal computer standard: software piracy.

Close. I think it has more to do with the fact that Macs use incredibly expensive proprietary hardware. You can pick up a new PC for under 300 dollars, easily. It might not be the fastest thing around, but these days even cheap computers can be more than good enough for the common user.

WX
02-03-2009, 10:22 PM
Hey I love Windows, if everyone used Mac and Linux I would be sitting here making money fixing computers:D
I have yet another XP box in front of me now that has spat the dummy over something. It's hard to tell what because it's running like a 3 legged dog on sleeping tablets.

bruceS
02-03-2009, 10:43 PM
I've used pc's since 1980, have used the internet since 1983 (yes, I meant 1983) and never once have I had a virus, or any problem that couldn't be solved easily -- never used a techie. I purchased a MAC laptop about four years ago; it had, without a doubt the worst LCD screen I've encountered (OK it was better than my 1997 vintage Viewsonic!). I sold it within six months. The new owner tells me the motherboard fried just outside the 1-year warranty period.

I am going to buy the new 17" MacBook Pro, but to run Windows. It's better priced than HP or IBM business computers if you need 1920 x 1200 resolution. MAC OSX doesn't have the programs I need, so I must run Windows.

Gonzalo
02-03-2009, 11:01 PM
My theory of why Microsoft Windows became the personal computer standard: software piracy.

Windows became the standard because Apple insisted on not licensing the OS to other hardware manufacturers. When the manufacturers of most personal computers were Apple and IBM, and both cost several thousands in 1984 dollars, a lot of IBM clone manufacturers sprung up making clone PCs and clone kits that allowed guy to get a decent PC for several hundred dollars. You could either pirate DOS or buy it legitimately fairly cheaply.

Apple clones weren't available at any price, so far as I know, so everybody who didn't want to sink the price of a small car into a computer got an "IBM clone," and Apples became a premium-priced boutique product with a few passionate aficionados. Note I am not disparaging the quality of the Apple product.

Microsoft's marketing strategy worked well for them, but it also meant that Windows had to carry a lot of technical baggage associated with being compatible with any and all hardware that just anyone could make, and a nightmare of backwards compatibility.

Apple's marketing strategy helped them avoid the technical problems above, but relegated them to the boutique market. That niche market also made Apple products less attractive to virus and spyware writers.

Each product has the advantages and disadvantages of their respective market strategies. The mass market product is less elegant but more universal and cheaper, and it is vulnerable to security problems brought about by its popularity. The boutique product is more elegant, by repute more reliable, but more expensive and relatively less universal.

A few years ago when I bought the Windows laptop for my daughter, the premium for a similar MacBook was prohibitive, and besides I was used to Windows. That machine worked very well for a long time. Now that she wants to replace it with a MacBook, it appears to me that the premium you pay for the MacBook is shrinking. As a result of the price reduction and the popularity of the iPod, their market is predictably growing--and virus writers are showing more interest.

Joe (SoCal)
02-03-2009, 11:09 PM
BruceS yours is a very uncommon Mac experience.

I do want to add even though I've been a militant mac user I truly wanted to give this XP OS a chance. It was clumsy but I worked it the best I could and bit my lip and said give it a chance. Learn, I'm fairly techno savvy but there is no way I'm every going to get this Virus / Spyware taste out of my mouth.

I did nothing, the computer came with Macafe and XP OS. I did not abuse the computer anymore than I did my Mac for 15 years. 99% web browsing, some email, AIM, yadda yadda yadda.

But tonight I'm running safari cause firefox is not running - BUT it tries to launch ALL on its own several times an hour :rolleyes: A pop up in the task bar or whatever its called pops up ever 30 seconds saying
" Warning! Security report
Your computer is infected! It is recommended to start Spyware cleaner tool. "

If I click that it auto launches or tries to launch firefox, and takes me to some spam site. :rolleyes:

Ive ran the VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY long spybot and adware progs they REMOVED all sorts of trojans and mailbots and what ever and then I restart the computer and go through it ALL OVER AGAIN.

Joe (SoCal)
02-03-2009, 11:16 PM
Once you get it cleaned out I'll hook you up with some safe free porn sites. You shouldn't have any more problems;)

Doug

All porn sites are safe on a mac ;) . Its just a light switch, why do I have to put on a condom to turn one on ???? :D

elf
02-03-2009, 11:16 PM
and virus writers are showing more interest.

And still failing to have a real impact. Let me quote from a discussion three days ago on the Mac-L

but you can only get it by visiting a porn site and installing the "video codec"
that is "required to play this video".

----------

A little more interesting that this. It's sucker bait for those trolling for first run movies on the Torrent sites. Normally, the available movies are old ones, that can be copied off any old movie channel anytime. No one much cares about copyright for these. Some are hard to find.

There are two caveats to remember if you are into this:

1. You'll be searching for an old movie that's not on the Pirate Bay or Demonoid, and when you look around on Google you'll find sites said to have what you're looking for. It will take you to a very impressive site that appears to have your selected movie available. All you need to do is click on it.
But......when you do that, you will need to "join" the club first.

OK, so you really want "Interlude" starring Oskar Werner (1968) and can't find it anywhere else, so you think maybe five bucks one time only is not too bad a deal. So you put the five bucks on your credit card and click again on the torrent, and lo and behold.....they kind of don't have it anymore, but you can put your name on the list in case they ever find it (they have the same chance you do). So just for grins, you search for the vintage film: "Totally Phony Nonexistent Movie" Starring Delilah Phloog. Click. Here it is.....like to download it? We need a credit card for a small service fee.

Then next month you see a $40.00 bill on your credit card from an obscure address, and when you check it out, it's a French Porno site that kind of thought if you wanted "Interlude" you might be interested in joining their site at $40.00 a month but for that fee, able to peruse a large number of really great porno classics. They didn't want to bother you mentioning you were subscribed at the time you put in your one time only five bucks.

2. You accidentally run across a first run film on the torrents. Wow....... Frost/Nixon right there in front of God and everyone, and it's only been out a week in wide release. So curiosity reigns and you load it. Look at this....it's loading, and fast. It loads and you click on it....... Uh Oh.....you're directed to another site for an "unlock key" to view the film. Hmmmmmm.....the site happens to be a Porno site doing a little business on the side. At this point most savvy folks would throw their computer into the fireplace hoping that your cousins from Venus would be destroyed as they entered your hard drive. But if you were sucker enough to actually click on the site, you would again need to proffer a credit card for a "service charge" after which you would find your credit card number scattered around the known universe, your subscription to several porn services, three escort service ladies arriving at your door and the key won't unlock the film.


And basically, still not a virus.

pipefitter
02-03-2009, 11:31 PM
But tonight I'm running safari cause firefox is not running - BUT it tries to launch ALL on its own several times an hour :rolleyes: A pop up in the task bar or whatever its called pops up ever 30 seconds saying
" Warning! Security report
Your computer is infected! It is recommended to start Spyware cleaner tool. "

If I click that it auto launches or tries to launch firefox, and takes me to some spam site. :rolleyes:

Ive ran the VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY long spybot and adware progs they REMOVED all sorts of trojans and mailbots and what ever and then I restart the computer and go through it ALL OVER AGAIN.

That IS the virus. It's malware that has taken over your system until you buy their product. Google the name of that popup company and you will most likely see hundreds of complaints. The bad part is some of these places are legitimate businesses with really bad ethics.

StevenBauer
02-03-2009, 11:51 PM
The virus or Trojan has lodged deep in the registry of your computer. Even if you wipe it out with Spybot, etc as soon as you reboot it will re-install itself. The solution is a program called HijackThis. But it is a very powerful program that can screw your computer up if you erase the wrong things. The guys at Spywareinfo Forums can talk you through this. It might take a few days but they can help you completely clean all the bad stuff from the system.

That said, I sure am glad we've got three Macs in the family. And my eeepc runs linux, so the only Windows machine is my old pc that gets very little use anymore.

Steven

boylesboats
02-04-2009, 12:33 AM
Joe,
I hardly have much problems with my Windows O.S. and their faults.. Just gotta play it smart... and stay outta porn and bit torrent sites...

Okay, everybody listen up! This is no joke here, I am serious...

There have been a fake antivirus called "Antivirus 2009" that'll hack into your PC while browsing.. Simple as opening a page in web search... Don't not click on the box that pop-up in the middle of screen stating antivirus need to scan your PC.. Its fake, contain trojan(s) itself... It's so sneaky it can get past Firewall..

Just close out your browser, clean the cookies, run a quick spyware scan...
I runs Windows Defender to check the stuff out, then report it to Microsoft..

Microsoft offered
Windows Defender for free here (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/defender/default.mspx)

If you feel there is something sneaky going on that your own antivirus program didn't catch...
Free online total scan here (http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/default.htm)

BarnacleGrim
02-04-2009, 12:50 AM
Do you still have to defragment the disk from time to time on a Windows?

A friend of mine had me over to fix her PC. She pointed to it and said "have it cleaned up". I told her I had no idea what she meant by that. Then she told me not to be a "smart Alec Mac user" and that I knew exactly what she meant. I still didn't, but I just pretended to get to work. Eventually it dawned on me that she wanted me to defragment the hard drive, which I eventually managed to do. :o

Michael Beckman
02-04-2009, 12:59 AM
Haven't had to defrag since XP came out.

boylesboats
02-04-2009, 01:12 AM
BarnacleGrim...
I like your avatar..

Defrag hard drive is only optional.. removing "Registry Errors" helps out alot

Captain Blight
02-04-2009, 01:13 AM
http://terriemiller.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/officespacefaxsceen.jpg
LINUX, BABY woot

Damn it feel good to be a gangster

pipefitter
02-04-2009, 02:55 AM
I like Linux as well. Had to install Mandrake manually once. After I Fdisk'd windows 95 off of my machine, I found out the installer didn't work a with a particular Intel (P1) motherboard/bios that I just happened to have. One file(hundreds) at a time, reading every description for each file. Then, after selecting the files, having to install many of them from the command prompt. Thankfully, I had syntax experience from DOS so the procedures were much the same.

Like most other people, I have windows as well and this is more of a gaming machine and I am too lazy to partition Linux on it because I really don't have issues with windows and to be honest, the novelty of computers has worn off. PC's will teach you a lot about computer hardware and software if you're poor to start with, often having you where you have nothing to lose by trying to fix it yourself. When the internet became popular, you could learn from all the euro techies on the chat channels, who would spend hours explaining how to fix things whether they needed it or not.

So in reality, Windows has been great and I had a lot of good times learning about them through the years, met a lot of good people from allover the world and now that everything kind of fixes itself, has gotten rather boring.

Half the reason that you don't have to defrag windows is because computers come with huge hard drives so you aren't installing/uninstalling to beg for disk space nearly as often, if ever.

martin schulz
02-04-2009, 05:52 AM
WTF
WTF
WTF

How the hell do you guys deal with this ?????


Why don't you do yourself a favour and buy a mac?

downthecreek
02-04-2009, 06:02 AM
I don't get attacks like those. Must be they're pickin' on the FNG.
(I predict 5 pages.)

Doug

Neither do I. Kaspersky Internet Security - looks after itself and updates several times per day. Can't remember the last time I had any trouble. (There's hubris for you) If you do have Kaspersky queries you talk to a person locally and if they can't deal with it (never happened to me) you talk to the developers themselves in Moscow. Which is wonderful, as long (they tell me) as you don't get Igor! :D

(Apparently Igor is a genius, but with a low tolerance for those of us whose genius lies elsewhere ;))

George.
02-04-2009, 07:55 AM
Joe, I am disappointed. What happened, man? Thanks to you I bought a Mac when my last Gates machine crashed, and when Sil saw it she got one once her Windows box started to cough up blood, and we have never again had crash or virus. Not to mention that we must be each saving two weeks a year on waiting for the computer to boot...

Left click? I'll trade it and a free lunch for a Command key. Bet you miss it... :D

PS: thanks to getting to know Macs, we bought some AAPL when Jobs got sick. Up 14%, which is better than nearly anything else on our retirement account.

willmarsh3
02-04-2009, 09:56 AM
Another way to protect a PC is with a firewall. Hackers like to scan the internet for PCs that have open ports and then sniff for exploits. Windows is riddled with exploits that are either known and unpatched or unknown, or so called zero day - which means that they are known but a patch hasn't been developed yet. Once they find an exploit they can insert malware and commence their dirty deeds using your PC.
Turning on a firewall and limiting the ports that are open on your pc will go a long way to block malware or detect its operation. It's an added layer of protection in addition to an anti virus program. I don't know whether AVG has a firewall or not. Windows does have a firewall. Open the control panel and go to security settings. Then click on Windows Firewall to turn it on. There are also optional settings that control what ports are open or what applications are allowed to connect to the internet. If you have malware running it will then most likely pop up an indication when it tries to connect to the internet.

Just as an example of using a firewall I put ZoneAlarm on a Windows ME machine several years ago. It then popped up messages indicating that a program called "Gator" was trying to contact the internet. I did a Google search of what Gator was, then got Spybot to get rid of it.

Gonzalo
02-04-2009, 10:19 AM
And still failing to have a real impact....

Look, it may be that Apple's niche will never grow large enough to be of serious interest to virus and malware writers. That would be a good thing for Mac enthusiasts. But if the market share for Macs ever grows well into the double digits--and it looks like it might--you can be sure that malware writers will sit up and take notice.

Actually, my last extensive experience with a Mac was about 9 years ago. I thought it compared favorably with Windows 3.11, which I was used to at the time, but the Mac was by no means head and shoulders above Windows. It crashed about as often and had its share of irritations, so I have been skeptical of the accolades given newer Macs by enthusiasts. No doubt the OS has improved, but so has Windows.

Most of the time Windows works just fine for me, but this year I have had problems with malware similar to Joe's. I'd like to get out from under Windows for security reasons--I don't think I'll ever trust it again. I'm about to buy my daughter a MacBook, and if she gives me a chance to play with it, and I like it, and if the price premium for a Mac continues to decline, I could very well have a Mac in my future.

boatbuddha
02-04-2009, 10:21 AM
http://terriemiller.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/officespacefaxsceen.jpg
LINUX, BABY woot

Damn it feel good to be a gangster

Yep, try http://www.ubuntu.com/

By far the easiest distribution to get running on a laptop.

R.I.Singer30
02-04-2009, 11:42 AM
I have had my HP, PC laptop for 4 years and no real problem or complaint.(knock on wood boat).
Like said the problem seems to be your firewall/anti virus. I use the AVG free down load and really don't have a problem. I do have to use the ad aware scanner occasionally which takes a few minutes but it is no big deal.The sites you visit does affect the amount of attacks you get.

I just bought a new desk top PC for the half the price of the mac and I have 650g of hard drive and a quad processor. I am editing videos that the mac head at the PA-TV studio said I couldn't .I have used the Mac final cut pro and found the learning curve to be the same, frustrating at times .

I had a problem capturing video last week, the first thing out of his mouth was "it is a PC" . After explaining the symptoms to him, I diagnosed that the problem is in my camera.The camera is a Canon ZR500 that is three years old and survived being strapped to my motorcycle,backpacked, hundreds of ours of recording time, small kids using it and other abuses. I borrow their camera for capturing now till the funds come back around.

Hang in there Joe.

Its sort of funny that the guy mac uses in commercials to be "so cool" is actually quite annoying and I think works against them. I just don't want to be "that cool".;)

George.
02-04-2009, 12:13 PM
I love all the PC fans explaining how if you only devote a few hours to understanding and learning how to solve each problem, you can get Windows to work almost as reliably as a Mac... :D

R.I.Singer30
02-04-2009, 12:26 PM
I love all the PC fans explaining how if you only devote a few hours to understanding and learning how to solve each problem, you can get Windows to work almost as reliably as a Mac... :D

It only takes a few minutes really.It's just how many times do we have to splain it to ya that takes hours.

So your time is worth 250 dollars per hour.Good for you? I'll take the $750 savings.

I guess we just have a little more patience.... its next to godliness you know;)

Apples /Oranges=sustain you
Harley/BMW = Movin outside the TV
Fender /Gibson=create
Mac /Pc=compute

cs
02-04-2009, 12:52 PM
I wasn't going to post to this for several reasons, 1) I don't need to get in another PC/Mac war with Joe and 2) I've gotten to where I don't give a ratsass what you use and 3) I will not be able to change any of your minds.

But I will jump in anyway. I don't spend "hours" setting up my system or having to learn anything. Either my system(s) are so infected that they don't even bother reporting infections to me or they are as clean as a whistle. Either way I don't do anything super special or super secret to keep 'em that way.

Windows or Mac BFD. First thing is you bought a cheap PC laptop (betcha can't get a Mac for anywhere near that price) and yet you expect it to perform like a top of the line machine. Lotsa luck there. You want a high end PC spend a bit more money.

But either way a low end PC works well. My laptop cost less than $450 and it performs great. I get none of those pop ups that you complain about and I visit just about any site that I want to. I have virus protection running and my firewall and I have no, zero, zilch problems. I don't think about it, I get on my laptop and surf the web and it does everything I ask.

Windows is not the problem nor is Mac the answer. I will tell you what the problem is, the problem is Internet Explorer. Scrap that piece of junk and use something else. I bet if you used IE on a Mac you would have problems, but you don't you use Safari, so why use IE on a PC, use something else and most if not all of your problems will go away.

Of course you will have to sit your settings to keep the bad guys out, but at least with a PC you have the choice.

And Joe about this


But tonight I'm running safari cause firefox is not running - BUT it tries to launch ALL on its own several times an hour :rolleyes: A pop up in the task bar or whatever its called pops up ever 30 seconds saying
" Warning! Security report
Your computer is infected! It is recommended to start Spyware cleaner tool. "

If I click that it auto launches or tries to launch firefox, and takes me to some spam site. :rolleyes:

Clicking on those links is about like testing a land mine by stepping on it, not to bright in other words. Those links are just the bait, once you clicked on they have hooked you. Stay away from those and set your pop up blocker to block them.

Right now you are deeply invested with malware and trojans. It can be fixed. You can keep on crying about PC vs Mac or you can move on. Sorry you are having problems with your machine and I'm sorry you can't afford to buy what you want (welcome to my world). I truly am.

Chad

George.
02-04-2009, 01:13 PM
So your time is worth 250 dollars per hour.Good for you? I'll take the $750 savings.




Sometimes it is. Usually less. But my work time is certainly worth enough to pay for the difference between a PC and a Mac in a pretty short spell of hours. :p

John of Phoenix
02-04-2009, 01:47 PM
Thanks boatbudda, that Ubuntu looks slick. I have an old desktop that will love it.

Now a couple of questions for the Macaholics -

1. If you clicked on that popup that commandeered Joe's machine, what would happen? Would it take you to the same web site and take control of your browser?
2. What is the native web browser on a Mac? Firefox? Opera? Other? Does it have a popup blocker?

Finally some advice for Joe.
1. Forget the ad-aware and virus stuff. Do a "System Restore" to a time before you got zapped. Should be fine and it only takes a couple of minutes.
2. Turn on the popup blocker.
3. Ignore the popups that make it through. You got suckered on this one. BTW you didn't get a virus, you got hijacked. Browser Hijacking & How to Stop It (http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1579)

SchoonerRat
02-04-2009, 02:27 PM
Now a couple of questions for the Macaholics -

1. If you clicked on that popup that commandeered Joe's machine, what would happen? Would it take you to the same web site and take control of your browser?
2. What is the native web browser on a Mac? Firefox? Opera? Other? Does it have a popup blocker?

Finally some advice for Joe.
1. Forget the ad-aware and virus stuff. Do a "System Restore" to a time before you got zapped. Should be fine and it only takes a couple of minutes.
2. Turn on the popup blocker.
3. Ignore the popups that make it through. You got suckered on this one. BTW you didn't get a virus, you got hijacked. Browser Hijacking & How to Stop It (http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1579)
If I go to a web site that tries to commandeer my machine---nothing happens except my browser displays the site.

The Mac's native browser is Safari. I use Firefox mostly. Pop-up blockers are part of every browser that I'm aware of.

Joe,

A system restore may not solve your problem. It is likely that the hacker(s) installed a root kit on your computer. The root kit will survive a system reinstall and immediately take over your computer once again. Some root kits can even survive, or prevent a hard drive format.

Tom Montgomery
02-04-2009, 02:40 PM
I have yet to have any website commandeer my Mac browser, whether I am using Safari or Firefox.

Joe, your situation sounds like a nightmare. I also think Chad is incorrect, minds are changed regarding Mac vs. PC everyday. Especially since Microsoft launched Vista. Count the number of posters to this thread who have switched, plan to switch, or are seriously contemplating switching.

Popeye
02-04-2009, 02:41 PM
gotta stop surf'n the nudey net

elf
02-04-2009, 03:33 PM
Now a couple of questions for the Macaholics -

1. If you clicked on that popup that commandeered Joe's machine, what would happen? Would it take you to the same web site and take control of your browser?
It wouldn't pop up.

2. What is the native web browser on a Mac? Firefox? Opera? Other? Does it have a popup blocker?Safari. It does have a popup blocker. One can choose to activate it or not.


Finally some advice for Joe.
1. Forget the ad-aware and virus stuff. Do a "System Restore" to a time before you got zapped. Should be fine and it only takes a couple of minutes.
2. Turn on the popup blocker.
3. Ignore the popups that make it through. You got suckered on this one. BTW you didn't get a virus, you got hijacked. Browser Hijacking & How to Stop It (http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1579)
Safari does not get hijacked. I've been using it for 3 years now, set it to squelch popups from the get-go and have never seen anything of the sort that Joe illlustrated. I have seen them on PCs however.

Macs don't run .exe files. Macs require admin privileges and password input to install "applications". Although Safari will autolaunch its download module, one must click on a link to start that process. Once the item is downloaded to wherever the user has previously specified, nothing else happens until the user seeks out the download and determines what to do with it.

pcford
02-04-2009, 03:40 PM
Macs don't run .exe files. Macs require admin privileges and password input to install "applications". Although Safari will autolaunch its download module, one must click on a link to start that process. Once the item is downloaded to wherever the user has previously specified, nothing else happens until the user seeks out the download and determines what to do with it.

Exactly. Mac owners are restrained from the ability to use admin privileges...the ability to run executables. It is not like Mac os writers are some kind of superior geniuses.

elf
02-04-2009, 04:47 PM
Exactly. Mac owners are restrained from the ability to use admin privileges..
Huh? Where do you get that?

I am the admin for my computer. Each new owner is by default the admin for their computer.

The biggest use for admin status is with multiple users on a single computer. Restricting admin privileges to certain users allows them to control the types of, for instance, web sites, that other users can visit. It also enables things like controlling access to certain data (financial, for instance) to those whose business it is.

There's only one user at my house, so I don't know what else admin privileges can be used for, aside from things like updating and upgrading. It may be that the admin can restrict usage hours for other users and similar things as well.

How do people learn these wrong headed things about macs.:mad:

pcford
02-04-2009, 05:20 PM
Huh? Where do you get that?

I am the admin for my computer. Each new owner is by default the admin for their computer.

The biggest use for admin status is with multiple users on a single computer. Restricting admin privileges to certain users allows them to control the types of, for instance, web sites, that other users can visit. It also enables things like controlling access to certain data (financial, for instance) to those whose business it is.

There's only one user at my house, so I don't know what else admin privileges can be used for, aside from things like updating and upgrading. It may be that the admin can restrict usage hours for other users and similar things as well.

How do people learn these wrong headed things about macs.:mad:

I don't recall but before you get your panties in a bunch you might observe that you said the same thing....PCs are to immediately load an exe...yet, as you say, you have to sign in on a Mac.

Mac owners are so jealous of their belief in their shibboleths.

They are pretty funny too. It's just a tool, bud. It does not make you a better person.

John of Phoenix
02-04-2009, 05:22 PM
Had to look that one up. (I'll save Scot the bother of doing it. :D )

Shibboleth is any language usage indicative of one's social or regional origin, or more broadly, any practice that identifies members of a group.

John Meachen
02-04-2009, 05:25 PM
Thanks boatbudda, that Ubuntu looks slick. I have an old desktop that will love it.




Ubuntu is pretty good but Linux Mint,which is developed from Ubuntu is even easier.I spent quite a chunk of last weekend using a live cd to simultaneously listen to internet radio,do a bit of web browsing and create and print a couple of documents and then when I switched the computer off no permanent changes had been made.

John of Phoenix
02-04-2009, 05:28 PM
I tried Linux on the same machine but it seemed to take forever to boot. I'll give the Mint version a look too. Thanks.

SchoonerRat
02-04-2009, 05:34 PM
Exactly. Mac owners are restrained from the ability to use admin privileges...the ability to run executables. It is not like Mac os writers are some kind of superior geniuses.
What exactly do you mean by that???? Did you read your statement before posting? Please explain.

Does the Mac OS prevent me from using my administrator priveleges in some way that I don't know about?

Does the Mac OS prevent me from running applications? I haven't found that to be the case.

Has any Mac user in this thread (or any other) claimed to be some kind of superior genius?

In a thread that is full of intelligent discussion of Macs, both pro and con, this post stands out as another factless, baseless attempt to run down not only the Mac, but also Mac users.

SchoonerRat
02-04-2009, 05:51 PM
They are pretty funny too. It's just a tool, bud. It does not make you a better person.
Who has claimed that using a Mac makes them a better person. I see people claiming that using a Mac gives them a superior computing experience.

Does using a set of Lie Nielsen chisels make you a better person than using a cheap set of Stanleys? Or perhaps does it just make your job as a boatwright a little easier? In a discussion of chisels will you call the guy who prefers the Nielsen a "fanboy" and tell him he ought to buy the Stanley because it's cheaper and easier to find and it's just as good?

John of Phoenix
02-04-2009, 05:56 PM
There ought to be a Lie Nielsen rule like the Hitler rule. First one to use it loses.

Yes, I have Stanley chisels. And planes.

SchoonerRat
02-04-2009, 06:00 PM
There ought to be a Lie Nielsen rule like the Hitler rule. First one to use it loses.

Yes, I have Stanley chisels. And planes.
Sorry, I didn't know about that rule. Please feel free to substitute the name of any other manufacturer of fine woodworking tools.

John of Phoenix
02-04-2009, 06:15 PM
:) It's an envy problem.

Dave Davis
02-04-2009, 06:28 PM
Back to the thread, the admin restrictions provide a kind of fail-safe that doesn't exist (to my knowledge) on a PC. Once the .dmg or whatever is downloaded to the download folder (or where you decide to put this stuff), to install the program requires an administrator's password. Sort of "are you sure you want to do this?"

So when Wingnut's been visiting places "not safe for work" and clicks on the link, and it says, "you want to see this video you got to download this," wingnut gets a second chance. The latest Mac trojans (no viruses, sorry) rely on social engineering to infect the computer--in one case the desire to see a video, in another the willingness to use pirated software. In both these latest cases, you gotta actively infect yourself.

Some Mac users even set up an account on the computer that doesn't have admin privileges to prevent even the possibility of this little social faux pas. And the os allows you to set up a guest account with varying degrees of access.

In my work life it was exclusively Windows, using government computers and immediate access to techies. They were needed constantly. Those who've never had a lick of trouble out of their PCs? Good on ya. The ones we used (not low end) would constantly "blue screen of death" and the only way to protect them from viruses, etc. was to preclude access to most websites, and/or require access card privileged sites and security certificate access only. At one command, hackers shut the place down for more than a month with no email, and no internet. Try doing business like that today, you can imagine the productivity hit.

Hey Macs aren't for everyone. Of course, there's a bunch of us that believe Sarah Palin is the second coming of the Republican Party too. Different strokes as they say.

boatbuddha
02-04-2009, 06:51 PM
I tried Linux on the same machine but it seemed to take forever to boot. I'll give the Mint version a look too. Thanks.

It will take a long time as long as it's booting of the livecd, once it's installed its load time is similar to windows. The key thing to check when using the live cd is wireless drivers and sound.

Joe (SoCal)
02-04-2009, 08:34 PM
I wasn't going to post to this for several reasons, 1) I don't need to get in another PC/Mac war with Joe and 2) I've gotten to where I don't give a ratsass what you use and 3) I will not be able to change any of your minds. But I will jump in anyway. I don't spend "hours" setting up my system or having to learn anything. Either my system(s) are so infected that they don't even bother reporting infections to me or they are as clean as a whistle. Either way I don't do anything super special or super secret to keep 'em that way. Windows or Mac BFD. First thing is you bought a cheap PC laptop (betcha can't get a Mac for anywhere near that price) and yet you expect it to perform like a top of the line machine. Lotsa luck there. You want a high end PC spend a bit more money. But either way a low end PC works well. My laptop cost less than $450 and it performs great. I get none of those pop ups that you complain about and I visit just about any site that I want to. I have virus protection running and my firewall and I have no, zero, zilch problems. I don't think about it, I get on my laptop and surf the web and it does everything I ask. Windows is not the problem nor is Mac the answer. I will tell you what the problem is, the problem is Internet Explorer. Scrap that piece of junk and use something else. I bet if you used IE on a Mac you would have problems, but you don't you use Safari, so why use IE on a PC, use something else and most if not all of your problems will go away. Of course you will have to sit your settings to keep the bad guys out, but at least with a PC you have the choice. And Joe about this Clicking on those links is about like testing a land mine by stepping on it, not to bright in other words. Those links are just the bait, once you clicked on they have hooked you. Stay away from those and set your pop up blocker to block them. Right now you are deeply invested with malware and trojans. It can be fixed. You can keep on crying about PC vs Mac or you can move on. Sorry you are having problems with your machine and I'm sorry you can't afford to buy what you want (welcome to my world). I truly am. Chad

First of all Chad I want to thank you for responding because you bring up some important points that I want to go over.

The most important issue that you bring up is price of the machine. I cant just get my head around that concept. This little cheep laptop comes with the full version of XP , MS Office & Outlook. It came with Macafee virus protection that lasts only 30 days trial. After that I got Avast. I ran Firefox & Safari cause I like them best and hate explorer. Now what gets me is just because the machine was cheep do they put the bargain version of XP in it ? As if to say if I paid more I would not have this virus / Spam / mail ware ?

Also what keeps coming up is you have to be very careful and, learn and set up everything just so to PREVENT this from happening. Why?

If I bought a cheep Mac it would come OSX and all the regular full version of all the programs and it would behave exactly like the MOST expensive mac, just maybe not as fast. THATS the only difference.

You see honestly Chad I did want to work with this little laptop and use it JUST like I used my macs for the past 15 years. But It just does not work that way.

Also whats up with being very very careful about what sites you visit ??? Sounds like you have to live in perpetual fear and worry. Kinda like the old Bush Administration ;)

cs
02-04-2009, 09:14 PM
Joe the price of the machine is not necessarily the version of windows even though you can get different versions of Windows that is tailored for different needs. No the price is tied more to what hardware you get. For less money you will probably get less RAM a slower processor, smaller hard drives and graphic cards that aren't the best for playing games. In other words you get a more hardware stripped down version.

This is fine for it opens up the market for a wider share of those that can afford a new computer. If I had to pay the Mac price or the mid to high end PC price I would not have a laptop. As it is I have a laptop that does what I need it to do. It may be a bit slower than others but it does the job.

Maybe the learning curve is different for you than it was for me. I've used PC's since DOS and Windows 3.11 and I've never had these issues that you have and I don't worry about the sites I visit. I don't really worry about where I go on the web.

When I mention click on links, I'm talking about the pop up windows that come up and say you are infected and to click here. These sometimes look like a windows pop up box but they aren't. It is the old bait and switch and you are really clicking on a malware/trojan link and giving it permission to do what it will to your system.

From what I see here this is no different than a Mac, you just have to set your settings in your browser to block pop ups and you need your firewall.

Like I said I've used PC for years and I've never had a problem like you mention.

But you use what you are used to and that is fine. I wouldn't hesitate to use a Mac if it was in front of me, but I'm happy with my PC.

Chad

Memphis Mike
02-04-2009, 09:20 PM
Like someone else said, if you just leave those dirty old man porn sites alone, you won't have any problems. Stay away from the granny sites especially. Just ask Ish.

Running fine here on a six year old Dell desk top.:p Windows OS.

Tom Montgomery
02-04-2009, 09:45 PM
$340. It was awfully seductive, eh?

For sometime I had considered breaking down and purchasing a Windows PC because there were a couple of apps I REALLY wanted that are incompatible with the Mac. But the nightmares I have heard about PC's here and elsewhere prevented me from making the purchase. At work I can call IT and say: "fix the damn thing."

Now that Mac's run on an Intel chip I can install my copy of Windows XP on the external hard drive via Bootcamp and start up directly into XP to use my chess database. When I am finished I can shut down XP and restart with Leopard and do the rest of my computing - and especially my Internet browsing - in the Mac OS environment. I have the best of both worlds: I can run all the apps I wish while limiting my time in Windows.

If you want to play games, buy a Wii.

elf
02-04-2009, 09:50 PM
When I mention click on links, I'm talking about the pop up windows that come up and say you are infected and to click here. These sometimes look like a windows pop up box but they aren't. It is the old bait and switch and you are really clicking on a malware/trojan link and giving it permission to do what it will to your system.

Chad

This doesn't make sense to me. If not getting infected with malware, viruses and worms were as simple as repressing popups, surely PCs wouldn't be suffering from the reputation they have of being regularly attacked by various diseases. When I read about the latest worm running 900,000 infected business computers strong the other day, I really can't make what you recommend jibe.

Sorry.

cs
02-04-2009, 09:57 PM
Believe what you will but I have zero problems with viruses or spyware or malaware or any of it.

I think I mentioned early on that one of the most important things (IMO) is to stay away from IE.

I don't know what caused Joe's problem. Maybe he didn't have the firewall up and running I don't know. I know I don't have that problem on any of my computers that I use.

Chad

Joe (SoCal)
02-04-2009, 10:00 PM
When I mention click on links, I'm talking about the pop up windows that come up and say you are infected and to click here. These sometimes look like a windows pop up box but they aren't. It is the old bait and switch and you are really clicking on a malware/trojan link and giving it permission to do what it will to your system.

From what I see here this is no different than a Mac, you just have to set your settings in your browser to block pop ups and you need your firewall.

Chad this is COMPLETELY different from using a mac. #1 you just dont get silly pop up's like that and #2 even if you did you could click on them all day long cause Mac wont read the silly little .exe files they try to download.

So no I'm sorry its not the same at all.

And now maybe cause I clicked something like that or didn't I don't know but my entire computer is screwed up. Something like that NEVER ever could or would happen with my Mac. You never have to even THINK about stuff like that. I guess thats the difference.

With PC you have to Think Different :mad:

Simply put with windows
You're and idiot or a fool if you click the wrong thing or don't have your virus / Spyware /mailware anti virus up to date. If you run the wrong browser you could get screwed. If you don't have your firewalls or permissions set correctly ALL of these things are normal SOP thought process in order to protect yourself and be able to say - Hey I never have problems with my computer

With a mac you never have to say or do anything and you can still say that.
I ran my powerbooks NAKED for 10 years NO FIREWALLS - NO PROTECTION - NO NOTHING - I NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS LIKE THIS !!!!

cs
02-04-2009, 10:02 PM
See this is why I didn't want to get started in this thread. I'm trying to make the point that I don't have these problems. I put no more thought into it than you do on your Mac. I really don't care what you use but you have tunnel vision and all you see is what you want to see.

Later

Chad

elf
02-04-2009, 10:04 PM
They don't get it, Joe. Time to give up the discussion.

pcford
02-04-2009, 10:24 PM
With a mac you never have to say or do anything and you can still say that.

That was a $400 computer right? Do you expect a Tercel to resemble a Mercedes?

The "virus" popup you got was one is very common...you evidently did not close the pop-up window properly.

There are good and bad features on both PCs and Macs. In any case they are just a tool. The wacky thing is that once you are inside an application you can't tell the difference.

Mac owners are more than a little fanatical. I can't recall anything in the pc world like the fanboys that sleep on the sidewalk waiting for Macworld to open.

I work beside an video editor on Mac when we are editing. It crashes fairly regularly. Not every session but maybe every other session. He is pretty agnostic on the pc versus Mac question.

Macs or PC...just a tool. Like tools, you have to know how to use them.

Joe (SoCal)
02-04-2009, 10:24 PM
See this is why I didn't want to get started in this thread. I'm trying to make the point that I don't have these problems. I put no more thought into it than you do on your Mac. I really don't care what you use but you have tunnel vision and all you see is what you want to see.

Later

Chad

It's a light switch why do you have to have a PHD to turn on a light ????

Why make it more complicated that it is ?
Click, click, click click anything you want its a freaking glorified typewriter. There are a million things you have in your everyday life - that are super complicated but you don't need to keep inventing them. Think about your TV it's connect to cable of satellite broadcasting signals and color images with sound on a million channels with the click of a remote and you NEVER have to think about it. Imagine if you clicked the wrong channel and the volume the wrong way your TV would no longer get channel 2-9-11 & 24 just because. What makes a PC so different ???

Sorry I'm just sitting here as this thing blings all night long with virus alerts :mad:

John of Phoenix
02-04-2009, 10:29 PM
Joe, burn the damned thing and be done with it. You're not cut out to operate a PC.

There, I said it.

Michael Beckman
02-04-2009, 10:32 PM
Theres gotta be someone on the east coast willing to lend a hand. I'd fix things up but I'm a bit challenged in distance.

John of Phoenix
02-04-2009, 10:36 PM
I posted a link with hold your hand instructions on what to do. He'd rather rant than fix it. Let him rant.

Burn it and take pictures with your iPhone. It'll make you feel good. :razz:

Joe (SoCal)
02-04-2009, 10:39 PM
I posted a link with hold your hand instructions on what to do. He'd rather rant than fix it. Let him rant.

Burn it and take pictures with your iPhone. It'll make you feel good. :razz:

No what I have to do is hand the damn thing over to the IT person at my office, she wasn't in today.

Then as soon as I can, get another mac, and leave this infected PHD world behind.

Oh and Michael Beckman thank you, you have been very kind.

erster
02-04-2009, 10:40 PM
I don't own a blackberry, funny phone, or stay at the holiday express. But I know how to operate a PC with sound peace of mind.

John of Phoenix
02-04-2009, 10:41 PM
She's gonna give you hell too. "YOU DID WHAT?"

Did you do a system restore?

erster
02-04-2009, 10:45 PM
Did any cds come with the machine?

Joe (SoCal)
02-04-2009, 10:47 PM
She's gonna give you hell too. "YOU DID WHAT?"

Did you do a system restore?

No John - Im obviously not smart enough ;)
I think I'll hobble along like this until I can give it to her. At this point I think - do no more harm is a good idea. I could just see me doing the system restore and poof - it just never comes back.

The other thing about PC there are so many experts with so many different ways to solve these things. Trust me I've heard a MILLION of different ways and others say OMG don't ever do what so and so said, and someone else says do this, or go to this site and download this while otehrs say NEVER do that.

Joe (SoCal)
02-04-2009, 10:47 PM
Did any cds come with the machine?

No no CD drive ;)

erster
02-04-2009, 10:52 PM
I may have a Commodore 64 still around that I will let you use.

John of Phoenix
02-04-2009, 10:52 PM
Yeah, there's more than one to skin this thing.

Click the start button, click "help and support", type "system restore", click "Run the system restore wizard". You'll be done in no time.

Joe (SoCal)
02-04-2009, 10:55 PM
Yeah, there's more than one to skin this thing.

Click the start button, click help, type "system restore", click "Run the system restore wizard". You'll be done in no time.

Will I loose all my work ?

John of Phoenix
02-04-2009, 10:56 PM
Nope. Data file are not touched.

Joe (SoCal)
02-04-2009, 11:04 PM
Nope. Data file are not touched.

What does it do ?

Paul Girouard
02-04-2009, 11:06 PM
My first windows rant,, But it's a lonnnnnnnnnng rant :D

John of Phoenix
02-04-2009, 11:08 PM
It restores the computer to a previous state. i.e., it uninstalls buggy programs and (what you want here) restores the registry to a state without the gunk that was in the program that hijacked your machine. Word files, excel files, etc are not affected.

System Restore overview

System Restore is a component of Windows XP that you can use to restore your computer to a previous state, if a problem occurs, without losing your personal data files (such as Microsoft Word documents, browsing history, drawings, favorites, or e-mail). System Restore monitors changes to the system and some application files, and it automatically creates easily identified restore points. These restore points allow you to revert the system to a previous time. They are created daily and at the time of significant system events (such as when an application or driver is installed). You can also create and name your own restore points at any time.

They can also be undone.

Joe (SoCal)
02-04-2009, 11:27 PM
Yea well it didn't work and made it worse. :(

Now I lost my green field start screen :(
And I still have all the same problems and a few more pop ups :(

John of Phoenix
02-04-2009, 11:29 PM
Did you do a cold boot restart? Turn it OFF and start from scratch?

pcford
02-04-2009, 11:47 PM
Yea well it didn't work and made it worse. :(

Now I lost my green field start screen :(
And I still have all the same problems and a few more pop ups :(

Only one explanation. This boy has bad computer juju.

Michael Beckman
02-04-2009, 11:47 PM
You might ask your tech support person if she could switch the OS to Ubuntu. I think you have a netbook? Eeebuntu is designed for netbooks, and looks pretty slick. I have no personal experience though.

If I had a netbook I would definitely run linux of some flavor though, as windows requires more power than netbooks tend to have.

John of Phoenix
02-05-2009, 12:02 AM
Undo the restore then.
I hate to do this,,, nighty nite.

elf
02-05-2009, 12:06 AM
Only one explanation. This boy has bad computer juju.

Blaming the victim, I see.

What a crock.

pipefitter
02-05-2009, 12:14 AM
Linux users, as well as many Windows users can use pc, mac and Linux and just about every other OS without issue unless it's really crap or the user preferences are just plain weird. The problem you have is a 5-10 minute fix max.

I don't avoid nasty websites out of fear of being hijacked or that my OS is vulnerable, I avoid them because I don't want to add to their hit count that they are probably getting paid for by some other unscrupulous scab. The same way I avoid infomercials and other predatory services. If people didn't fall for it, there wouldn't be so much of it.

pcford
02-05-2009, 12:23 AM
Blaming the victim, I see.


I calls it operator error.

elf
02-05-2009, 12:29 AM
Seems like designer error to me.

pcford
02-05-2009, 12:35 AM
Seems like designer error to me.

Whose designer? Joe's? You might have a point there.

When I was first stumbling around computers, I made plenty of mistakes but I did not blame it on the operating system.

Young Michael probably has a point...this cheepy computer almost certainly does not have enough ram...modern machine use vast quantities...16 gigs is possible in specialized workstations.

S/V Laura Ellen
02-05-2009, 01:00 AM
Then as soon as I can, get another mac, and leave this infected PHD world behind.

By the time you get your next Mac, the Mac world will be inundated with viruses. Remember, Mac don't get virus attacks because people can't be bother to write viruses that target Macs, not because the are inherently immune from viruses.
I've been using a PC for years now and have never had a virus infection.

Stay away from file sharing sites
Don't open attachments on e-mails
Apply patches as soon as they are available
Use a proven anti-virus application
Use a hardware firewall (router)

Get use to these precuations, because before long Mac users will need them too.

Once you get an infection, don't try and clean the PC, the only way to be sure of getting rid of it is to format the drive and reinstall.

Michael Beckman
02-05-2009, 01:10 AM
Seems like designer error to me.

Interesting thing about that is that Vista has much better security than XP. I haven't had any issues with unauthorized programs since upgrading to Vista.

Also, Microsoft is dropping support for XP soon, which will further decrease its security.

Allan is right though, as macs gain in popularity they will become a target. Making them overpriced underfunctioned systems with the same security issues as Windows. Which will of course make people switch back to Windows, or perhaps a surge to linux? It doesn't really matter. Wherever the masses go the virii will follow.

pcford
02-05-2009, 01:19 AM
Interesting thing about that is that Vista has much better security than XP.

Though there has been much wailing and gnashing of teeth regarding Vista (mostly by mac fanboys), video gear dealers are now installing it on workstations.

The beat goes on.

Michael Beckman
02-05-2009, 01:27 AM
It had a rough start with hardware companies not updating drivers. I imagine for specialty gear that the wait was especially long.

SchoonerRat
02-05-2009, 03:58 AM
By the time you get your next Mac, the Mac world will be inundated with viruses. Remember, Mac don't get virus attacks because people can't be bother to write viruses that target Macs, not because the are inherently immune from viruses.

OSX IS inherently more secure than Windows. It's Unix!!! You can write off the Mac's lack of viruses as disinterest by hackers, but this argument doesn't really hold any water. Do you really think that the prize of being the first to develop a virus to attack a Mac is less of a prize than is being just another of the thousands to successfully attack a Windows machine. When Vista was first released as beta, the first viruses showed up in a matter of minutes in spite of the fact that the number of Vista machines was a small percentage of the number of Macs. Windows is riddled with security holes.

Michael Beckman
02-05-2009, 04:19 AM
Hmm. For what its worth, Unix is not necessarily more secure than windows either. The main security issue with windows is the common user. Most people don't know how to keep a system secure. Every OS can be exploited in some manner or another. Vista was attacked quickly because viruses for windows are the most useful for the creators. Windows XP still accounts for 69.8% of internet users. Vista takes another 16.5%, but of course is on course to replace XP in time. Macs hold 5.8% of global internet users. Writing an actual virus for one would be a waste of time. An interesting note is that Macs have gained 1.4% in the last year, while Vista has doubled.

Statistics from http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

Paul G.
02-05-2009, 04:30 AM
Joe,

Windows boxes are absolutely fine. They have great software and run on an amazing variety of hardware. Macs are cool but for sheer grunt desktop grunt you cant beat a well sorted PC.

Relax about the virus stuff, it happens but observe good computing habits such as regularly backing up your data and not opening suspect files without scanning first.

I havent had a virus issue for years and I download lots of crap. If you get caught up in the mac/pc debate youll never discover how good windows is. There is a reason why 90% of the world uses it. Sure its archaic and clunky and all that but it is still pretty damn good.

You dont take your catboat out in 50 knots and moan it doesnt handle it? likewise learn to drive windows and it goes pretty good.

Joe (SoCal)
02-05-2009, 09:14 AM
observe good computing habits such.......

Man I never had to observe good anything on my Mac just click click click click no observations no habits no, No spam / spy / virus NOTHING.

SchoonerRat is 100% correct I've been hearing the "Oooooh the mac virus's are coming and mac don't get viruses because they have such a small market share." for 15 years now. It's utter bull****e Mac's dont get viruses because the OS is rock solid and you cant screw with it as well as the hardware and software are BUILT by APPLE.

Fact is and this is my LAST post on this until I get this POS to IT is :

I had a Mac for 15 years running NAKED and experienced NO PROBLEMS EVER. The reason why is broke is I dropped it too many times and dented the case and screwed the power adaptor and fried the inside trying to jerry rig a fix.

FACT: I've had this XP POS for a month and its RIDDLED with problems.

BTW this morning firefox is GONE wont start I had it as my browser of preference now its gone and I'm using safari. ( an Apple product )

John of Phoenix
02-05-2009, 09:40 AM
FACT: I've had this XP POS for a month and its RIDDLED with problems.
And others of us have had them for years with no problems at all.


Only one explanation. This boy has bad computer juju.
Couldn't resist. ;)

Well, let us know what the IT lady says.

willmarsh3
02-05-2009, 09:55 AM
Also don't forget to turn on the firewall.

Joe (SoCal)
02-05-2009, 09:58 AM
Sheesh you guys are NUTS do you even hear what you say??

Don't forget to ...Don't forget to ..Don't forget to ..oh and make sure you ...Don't forget to .. or your screwed

It's all MY fault cause I didnt wash behind my ears and clip my toenails and floss before I sat down at my computer but if you do ALL these things in the correct order ALL the time I can be just like you and NEVER have a problem. Shhhhhhhesh How about this I turn my computer on naked and it works ?

How's about that ???

elf
02-05-2009, 10:14 AM
Seems to me that it would be very good for all the PC users on this thread to have used a Mac for a year before attempting to compare or make value judgements about either platform.

Among other things, how one can expect to get through a day of computing without opening a mail attachment is simply beyond my understanding. As a creative person I depend on email attachments to convey product to customers. If they live by such a rule, I'm **** outta luck. And it's not just someone like me. Recently I received a newsletter from my local Quaker meeting with a PDF attached. Recently I received a newsletter from my local Democrats with a Microsoft Word document attached.

As a Mac user of 15 years, now, I can affirm that I have never used anti-virus software and never seen something like what Joe's dealing with except the one time I spend three days debugging a PC running XP.

Up above Mr. Beckmann claims that the problem with PC viruses is that ordinary users don't understand how to protect themselves. We're not talking sex here, we're talking an object that nearly the entire populace of this country, at least, goes into Wal*Mart and purchases because they believe they and their families must have one to make a living and get the best advantages of education, etc. These folks are purchasing a product with no guidance and no clue that they must do this virus ritual to protect their little $400 investment in their family's future. And what they get is what Joe is looking at, something which we Mac users have never experienced. Something which requires not only the investment in anti-virus software and the daily discipline of making sure it is run, but also a trip to the computer doctor to repair.

This is bad design - not of the hardware but of the software.

Macs do not experience this. Apple bases its current operating system on Unix. They do this because it provides a certain level of basic protection. But, in addition, they work closely with all hacking report sources and attempt sources and provide security updates regularly - not in Security Packs every 18 months, but weekly. It would not surprise me at all to learn that the two most recent hacking attempts both came from the DoD as part of the transition to the new adminstration as reports indicate that the Bush administration did not keep computer systems up to date and Obama's people found PCs running ME in significant offices when they came in.

Finally, I understand that with the recent Intel chip based Macs on which one can run both Windows and the Mac OS, of course the PC side gets these problems. Apparently that does not disable the Mac side so one can still get on with life and get help without being brought to a complete halt as has happened to Joe. Even such an approach would be an improvement to the PC operating system.

Curiously, PC Magazine has determined that Windows runs faster on these Macs.

It's not that I don't understand how good it feels to be a geek. And being a PC geek might even be more rewarding than being a Mac geek. But to continue to lob off on the wider public a product which is inherently vulnerable to these sorts of behaviors is simply unacceptable to me as a poor person who depends on a computer. It is not necessary to buy a new Mac to enter the computing world on the Mac platform. I have not bought a new Mac in 11 years and don't ever anticipate being able to buy one. My Mac does not run the most current version of the OS either, and that has no impact on my computer access or use. Apple continues to update its applications under my older OS just as it does under the current OS. And it continues to improve the security of my OS just as it does under the current one.

Again, I strongly suggest that any PC user who hasn't looked at the mac OS in 9 years, or who has never attempted to spend even a day with a Mac needs to think carefully about just how much they know about what it's like to be Joe.

elf
02-05-2009, 10:23 AM
Vista takes another 16.5%, but of course is on course to replace XP in time. Actually it's on course to be replaced by the most recent iteration of XP as I understand it. That is already out in beta.
An interesting note is that Macs have gained 1.4% in the last year, while Vista has doubled.Because Microsoft refused to sell XP once it got Vista off the ground.

Lame

willmarsh3
02-05-2009, 10:33 AM
Macs do not experience this. Apple bases its current operating system on Unix. They do this because it provides a certain level of basic protection. But, in addition, they work closely with all hacking report sources and attempt sources and provide security updates regularly - not in Security Packs every 18 months, but weekly. It would not surprise me at all to learn that the two most recent hacking attempts both came from the DoD as part of the transition to the new adminstration as reports indicate that the Bush administration did not keep computer systems up to date and Obama's people found PCs running ME in significant offices when they came in.
Emily you are pretty spot on. But Microsoft does publish updates quite regularly - every week or two weeks to fix vulnerabilities as soon as it can. I know since at work I use a Windows machine and the company patches it that often.

John of Phoenix
02-05-2009, 10:47 AM
A little humor.
Can you please advise me. I'm having some problems. I'm currently running the latest version of Girlfriend and I've been having some problems lately. I've been running the same version of DrinkingBuddies 1.0 all along as my primary application, and all the girlfriend releases have always conflicted with it. I hear that DrinkingBuddies won't crash if you run girlfriend in background mode with the sound turned off. But I'm embarrassed to say I can't find the switch to turn the sound off. I just run them separately, and it works okay. Girlfriend also seems to have a problem coexisting with my Golf program, often trying to abort Golf with some sort of timing incompatibility. I probably should have stayed with girlfriend 1.0, but I thought I might see better performance with GirlFriend 2.0. After months of conflicts and other problems, I consulted a friend who has had experience with GirlFriend 2.0. He said that I probably didn't have enough cache to run girlfriend 2.0, and that eventually it would require a Token ring to run properly. He was right --- as soon as I purged my cache, it uninstalled itself. Shortly after that, I installed girlfriend 3.0 beta. All the bugs were supposed to be gone, but the first time I used it gave me a virus. I had to clean out my whole system and shut down for a while.

I very cautiously upgraded to girlfriend 4.0. This time I used a SCSI probe first and also installed a virus protection program. It worked okay for a while until I discovered that GirlFriend 1.0 was still in my system! Then I tried to run GirlFriend 1.0 again with GirlFriend 4.0 still installed, but GirlFriend 4.0 has a feature that I didn't know about that automatically senses the presence of any other version of girlfriend and communicates with it in some way, which results in the immediate removal of both versions! The version I have right now works pretty well, but there are still some problems. Like all versions of girlfriend, it is written in some obscure language that I can't understand, much less reprogram. Frankly, I think there is too much attention paid to the look and feel rather than the desired functionality. Also, to get the best connections with your hardware, you usually have to use gold-plated contacts. And I've never liked how GirlFriend is totally "object-oriented". A year ago, a friend of mine upgraded his version of GirlFriend to GirlFriendPlus 1.0, which is a Terminate and Stay Resident version of GirlFriend. He discovered that GirlFriendPlus 1.0 expires within a year if you don't upgrade to Fiancee 1.0. So he did. But soon after that, he had to upgrade to Wife 1.0, which he describes as a "huge resource hog". It has taken up all of his space, so he can't load anything else. One of the primary reasons that he upgraded to Wife 1.0 is that it came bundled with FreeSexPlus 1.0. Well, it turns out that the resource allocation module of Wife 1.0 sometimes prohibits access to FreesexPlus, particularly the new Plug-Ins he wanted to try. On top of that, Wife 1.0 must be running on a well warmed-up system before he can do anything. Although -he did not ask for it, Wife 1.0 came with MotherInLaw 1.0 which has an automatic pop-up feature that he can't turn off. I told him to try installing Mistress 1.0, but he said that he heard if you try to run it without first uninstalling Wife 1.0, Wife 1.0 will delete MSMoney files before doing the uninstall itself, Then Mistress 1.0 won't install anyway due to insufficient resources. Can you help??

Joe (SoCal)
02-05-2009, 10:49 AM
Norman, I love ya you know that but do you think this hard when you turn on your light switch to your office before you turn on your computer?

Do you get out our volt meter and check it, Make sure the screws are tight and there is no play in the switch ? Do you go down to the basement check the fuse box, then call the power company to see how the grid is working?????

ITS A FRIGEN LIGHT SWITCH !!!

But I've been told over and over on this thread

Stay away from file sharing sites
Don't open attachments on e-mails
Apply patches as soon as they are available
Use a proven anti-virus application
Use a hardware firewall (router)

Joe (SoCal)
02-05-2009, 10:52 AM
anyone who can't tolerate the simple burden of installing a decent anti-virus program probably shouldn't be depending on acomputer.


Or just buy a Mac ;)

BTW this POS XP Has been running either Macfee or Avast since I turned it on. So there ;p

mmd
02-05-2009, 11:00 AM
Stay away from file sharing sites Never had a problem, but I don't go to teenager or blog sites.
Don't open attachments on e-mails I open probably 30-40 per day.
Apply patches as soon as they are available My computer does this automatically after I point and click on the on-screen "Continue?" button.
Use a proven anti-virus application No-brainer. Most PC's come with one already installed.
Use a hardware firewall (router) No effort, simple security. You use door locks, don't you?

mmd
02-05-2009, 11:10 AM
Norman, I am a slave to the shipyard's IT techie's predilictions - if she wants me to click a button to do what should be automatic, I guess it isn't too onerous a task...

Bruce Taylor
02-05-2009, 11:26 AM
I recently switched from pencil to pen. Best decision I ever made! I'm never going back. Yeah, I know what you'll say...I've heard it all before from you diehard pencil fanboys. Pens are expensive, you get ink all over your hands, they're hard to erase, blah blah blah. So what? I never used the stupid eraser anyway. If you need to change your words around all the time you shouldn't be trying to write in the first place. Anyway, there's a new kind of pen coming out soon and it will make erasing even easier than it is with pencils. And you get all these cool colors! Red, blue, black...whatever you want. Yeah, you can get colored pencils, too, but they don't have erasers do they? And you know what I hate about pencils? I hate how you put one in your pocket, then sit down, and it just snaps. That never happens with a pen. Sometimes, you sit down and the ink leaks in your pocket and you have a blue pocket in your jeans, and maybe a little blue stain on the front, but that's why I put the pen in my shirt pocket! Duh. Of course, when you bend over the pen falls out and that's kind of annoying, but the exact same thing happens if you put a pencil in your shirt pocket, and anyway. . .

elf
02-05-2009, 11:36 AM
Wacom did that 5 years ago, Norm. How is it different?

BrianW
02-05-2009, 11:37 AM
I thought about going Mac, but bought the wife a Dell XPS13 for Christmas. I liked it so much, I just ordered one for me (but in black, not blue.) ;)

My current Dell is 5 years old, been beat around a boat and traveling in a backpack the whole time. Never skipped a beat, but the power port is loose and I think it's gonna break soon.

Oh, no virus problems either.

Joe (SoCal)
02-05-2009, 11:38 AM
Made a little video for ya all this morning might explain it better ;)

And yes yes yes yes I was not running two virus proctection softwares. Someone told me to switch to Avast when I started having issues when I was running Macfee. So I deinstalled Macfee and installed Avast.

elf
02-05-2009, 11:51 AM
Wacom is tablet-based.... your writing surface needs to be lying on a tablet.

The DotPenPro doesn't need any surface, other than a piece of paper whose size is completely arbitrary. You could write on a C or D sized piece of paper, if you want... and it can be ordinary paper (other competitive products are restricted to using specially gridded paper).

Looks neat. Did they get it to production? There's no price.

BrianW
02-05-2009, 11:57 AM
not a single MAC was involved :cool:)

No Apples were hurt in this development? :)

R.I.Singer30
02-05-2009, 12:03 PM
almost to five pages.....
Some possible explanaitions here.;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id_kGL3M5Cg

elf
02-05-2009, 12:03 PM
Well, the market is pretty small, and they do have to compete with Wacom whose product is about 6 years ahead of them on building market share. And Wacom does have a product which substitutes for a computer monitor basically.

The biggest liability of an input device like that is that it costs a lot, because the market share is so tiny, and it can fall out of a briefcase only too easily. Even Wacom struggles, I'm sure, with how much their products cost.

Mostly, the lamest input device is surely the mouse but no hardware manufacturer has ever had the balls to ditch it. The touchpad is pretty awful, too, but at least the laptop business has pushed it into the forefront. Even then, Apple is busy making the touchpad do more tricks, like scroll, enlarge and contract, rather than committing to an easily misplaceable accessory like a pen.

Joe (SoCal)
02-05-2009, 12:09 PM
Video :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O_BST3rGSQ

ChrisF
02-05-2009, 12:12 PM
Edit to add: What the hell are you guys doing with your PC's ??!!!

My reaction, too. I'm sorry for your troubles, but I'm baffled. In what, twenty years of using PC's at work and home, daily, I've never ever had a virus or spyware problem. Never a hint. Plenty of other Windoze frustrations; I'm no friend of Bill's. 'Course, I update AVG now & then when I think of it, and scan with Search & Destroy maybe once a year, and I won't use IE or Outlook: maybe that's why.

Then again, maybe I oughta knock on wood right about now.

Bruce Taylor
02-05-2009, 12:33 PM
Actually, I have an intermediate solution for you. Last winter and spring, I helped to develop a digital pen.

I was joking! It was a joke! :eek:

Nifty device, though. My daughter uses a Wacom Bamboo in lieu of a mouse, and I've admired her dexterity with the thing.

elf
02-05-2009, 12:41 PM
Interesting. The pen should be a mouse equivalent. Certainly the Wacom pen is a mouse equivalent.

I guess what you're saying is that one end of their pen is a writing/drawing implement and the other end is a navigating implement.

boatbuddha
02-05-2009, 12:41 PM
I was joking! It was a joke! :eek:

Nifty device, though. My daughter uses a Wacom Bamboo in lieu of a mouse, and I've admired her dexterity with the thing.

Just what my daughter uses too.

Bruce Taylor
02-05-2009, 12:42 PM
*lol* I know, Bruce, that you were joking.

Whew. :D

The subject of operating systems seems to bring out all sorts of tribal paranoia & territoriality. ;)

Around here, we run Vista, XP, ME, Mac OSX and a couple of flavours of Linux. I have complaints about every one of them, and every one of them does something I can't (or don't want to) do without.

Joe (SoCal)
02-05-2009, 12:45 PM
Yea yea Phil uses a pen on his mac, anyone else like to give me advice on how to wipe this slate clean ?

Na I'll just give it to IT and call it a day
Carry on ;)

pcford
02-05-2009, 12:46 PM
On the video did I see Joe say yes to running Spyware Cleaner? Why would anyone say yes to running a program that they know nothing about?

duh.

If I recall correctly Spyware Cleaner (I have seen this window pop up) is malware, virus, trojan whatever itself. When you hit ok, it downloads the program. Joe did hit ok, and the computer tried to open Firefox...evidently to start download of Spyware Cleaner.

Joe is not the best with technology; his gf said that. He should immediately take his computer to a geek and pay him to get it fixed. Unfortunately, it is possible that after his messing with the machine, it may take more to fix the machine than it is worth.

The next time he should not buy the cheapest machine possible or he should buy a Mac, since he is obviously more comfortable with them.

elf
02-05-2009, 12:51 PM
There is another liability to a pen device which I've become quite aware of as I've used my Wacom. My hand is amazingly unsteady. And the pressure it applies to whatever surface I'm applying a writing implement to is wildly erratic.

I tried to create a signature file, in my case a .tif, for layering over certain image files when sending them out for certain restricted uses. I thought such a file could also be useful for signing things like tax returns and contracts that come to me as PDFs. It was a simple file just of my hand signature.

Using the Wacom pen I opened PS (since it was to end up being an image file) and chose the pencil/pen tool and attempted to get a half civilized line drawing of my signature. Even placing a piece of paper over the tablet surface did not supply enough surface tension to get a decent drawing. There were a million little gaps because either my hand shook slightly, or I simply don't keep the writing implement in contact with the surface throughout my entire signature.

Well, examining my signature on a check or such reveals that indeed, I wave the pen all over the place while writing.

Now I can't draw a crooked line on purpose, so I don't know what would happen if I tried this with drawing. But I'm willing to bet that my contact with the paper surface would be all over the place there too.

i finally gave up, wrote my signature on a blank piece of white paper and scanned it.

Bruce Taylor
02-05-2009, 12:51 PM
anyone else like to give me advice on how to wipe this slate clean ?

Michael suggests Ubuntu, and that might be the best route for you. Some versions of Aspire One come with Ubuntu installed, so it'll probably work.

Unless it doesn't... :eek::eek::eek:

:D :D

Try it with the live disk, or (if you have enough hard drive space) a dual boot system. If you like it, let Ubuntu take over your disk (in the knowledge that switching back to Windows later might be difficult).

You get to keep a lot of the same software (Open Office, Firefox...probably not Safari, but I'm not sure).

Joe (SoCal)
02-05-2009, 12:55 PM
Na pcford I did that to show what happens - the damage has been done way before.

The thing I don't get is its call being a techno idiot when duplicitous application just pop up and attempt to TRICK you. No when I've never had to EVER deal with my computer TRYING to TRICK me into doing something. Seems Orwelianly odd that you consider this kind of Techno knowledge normal. No it sounds like you have to treat your laptop like a constant threat and an evil object that at any time will TRICK and Deceive you

How odd that if you are not ALWAYS vigilant and ALWAYS suspect you are thought to be less technology able than someone who just opens and works with his computer like it was intended.

Imagine if you opened your refrigerator and it TRICKED you into smelling rotten food, and you were stupid enough to THROW it out, only to be left hungry with no food HAaaaaaaaaaaaaaar Haaar you fool your obviously Technically illiterate dont you KNOW the old rotten food fridge virus .

elf
02-05-2009, 12:56 PM
Yes. That feature was in the design from the very beginning. The 'mouse end' also has an infrared emitter, as well as a pressure sensitive switch.... in fact, it's better than a mouse, because if you're using it to draw, you can modulate the line width or darkness by varying the pressure on the end... and this works in both the 'mouse' mode, as well as the 'pen' mode.... that's something you can't do with a mouse.

Pressure sensitivity is built into the Wacom pen as well. It has to be turned off in the application, however.

pcford
02-05-2009, 12:57 PM
Spyware Cleaner....the program that Joe evidently downloaded, is subject of legal action in NY. It gives out false positives.

http://www.adwarereport.com/mt/archives/spyware_cleaner_review.php

Bruce Taylor
02-05-2009, 12:57 PM
Joe, you're killing me. :D :D

pcford
02-05-2009, 01:04 PM
The thing I don't get is its call being a techno idiot when duplicitous application just pop up and attempt to TRICK you.

If someone says "Hey buddy, load this program on your machine," Do you do it? Well yes, evidently you do.

Do you pick up strange hitchhikers in nasty neighborhoods as well?

Buy a Mac if that will make you happy.

Joe (SoCal)
02-05-2009, 01:06 PM
Tell me, buddy....

When you get the Nigerian letter in your email (you know, the one that promises you 20% of a $10 million dollar bank account if only you'll provide all your personal banking information), do you respond immediately and enthusiastically, and start shopping for the Porsche?

:p

No but if I do simply click on the email it doesn't AUTOMATICALLY deduct all my money out of my account and purchase a Porsche for the Nigerian either. :p


At least it would never do that on a Mac ..... on a PC who know's .... ya got to be vigilant .... Fear and worry ... fear and worry.... buy protection.... update your protection... always be vigilant

Bruce Taylor
02-05-2009, 01:06 PM
Don't buy a Mac. Stay with Windows!

gobble gobble...one of us...one of us....

Joe (SoCal)
02-05-2009, 01:11 PM
If someone says "Hey buddy, load this program on your machine," Do you do it? Well yes, evidently you do.

Do you pick up strange hitchhikers in nasty neighborhoods as well?

Buy a Mac if that will make you happy.

Actualy I was downloading the Avast when that popped up and i thought it was a part of the download. It kinda would make sense but i guess thats how these things work they try to make sense but your and idiot if you do them. Hmmmmm I guess I'm an idiot.

I also pick up hitchhikers even in nasty neighborhoods and I don't need a gun either ;) there i think we got all the flame war in one thread now :)

SchoonerRat
02-05-2009, 01:12 PM
Joe,

Putting aside all of the PC vs Mac discussion for a moment, your computer is seriously compromised. Hackers have taken control of your machine. They are likely using your machine to carry out attacks on others. In all probability, a rootkit has been installed on your hard drive. The rootkit will survive a system reinstall and once again take over your computer. The hackers have taken over your browser(s), without which you are powerless to search the net for and access solutions to your problems. Some rootkits can survive a disc format, others can even prevent you from completeing a format. Your problems are extraordinary-even for a Windows machine. You may need to call in a pro.

In an earlier post I remember you saying that you have access to IT at work. Take advantage of them. They may have experience with this. If you want to try to take care of it yourself, start with a low level format. Not a quick format, make sure you ERASE the entire drive. Then reinstall XP and virus s/w. If the problems come back, you have a rootkit. Untill that rootkit is removed, your computer belongs to somebody else, and the fix is probably beyond the expertise of an average computer user.

Michael Beckman
02-05-2009, 01:16 PM
Yep, Ubuntu would serve you well. You want to install programs? You click on a system tool, pick from a list of safe programs, and it automatically downloads/installs with no risk. Probably the closest alternative to a mac.

Joe (SoCal)
02-05-2009, 01:16 PM
I guess i've found the ultimate PC / Mac difference. My Mac never tried to trick me and even if it did and I clicked something and the little sucker .exe file would bounce off my Mac and my little Mac would still be smiling and happy.

I got to get back to a mac this is just the wrong society for me ;) I'm way to trusting and generous person to be worrying about all this fear and being tricked by my computer at a moments notice. Why be bothered with that - just TRUST A MAC ;)

Michael Beckman
02-05-2009, 01:19 PM
Joe,

Putting aside all of the PC vs Mac discussion for a moment, your computer is seriously compromised. Hackers have taken control of your machine. They are likely using your machine to carry out attacks on others. In all probability, a rootkit has been installed on your hard drive. The rootkit will survive a system reinstall and once again take over your computer. The hackers have taken over your browser(s), without which you are powerless to search the net for and access solutions to your problems. Some rootkits can survive a disc format, others can even prevent you from completeing a format. Your problems are extraordinary-even for a Windows machine. You may need to call in a pro.

In an earlier post I remember you saying that you have access to IT at work. Take advantage of them. They may have experience with this. If you want to try to take care of it yourself, start with a low level format. Not a quick format, make sure you ERASE the entire drive. Then reinstall XP and virus s/w. If the problems come back, you have a rootkit. Untill that rootkit is removed, your computer belongs to somebody else, and the fix is probably beyond the expertise of an average computer user.

A proper reformat will write 0s to the entire drive. Rootkits are not an issue at that point. But I don't think Joe should waste his time reinstalling windows. Ubuntu will fit every need and be easier to use for a Mac person.

On a related note, I was setting up a friends new (used) Mac the other day. Tried to plug in his DSL modem.. no luck, no USB drivers. Had to use ethernet instead. Why would someone want to deal with unsupported hardware all the time? ;)

Joe (SoCal)
02-05-2009, 01:19 PM
Joe,

Putting aside all of the PC vs Mac discussion for a moment, your computer is seriously compromised. Hackers have taken control of your machine. They are likely using your machine to carry out attacks on others. In all probability, a rootkit has been installed on your hard drive. The rootkit will survive a system reinstall and once again take over your computer. The hackers have taken over your browser(s), without which you are powerless to search the net for and access solutions to your problems. Some rootkits can survive a disc format, others can even prevent you from completeing a format. Your problems are extraordinary-even for a Windows machine. You may need to call in a pro.

In an earlier post I remember you saying that you have access to IT at work. Take advantage of them. They may have experience with this. If you want to try to take care of it yourself, start with a low level format. Not a quick format, make sure you ERASE the entire drive. Then reinstall XP and virus s/w. If the problems come back, you have a rootkit. Untill that rootkit is removed, your computer belongs to somebody else, and the fix is probably beyond the expertise of an average computer user.


WOW and this is the benifit of having a PC ???

WOW that is just extrodinarily sad on so many levels :( :( :(

Joe (SoCal)
02-05-2009, 01:23 PM
On a related note, I was setting up a friends new (used) Mac the other day. Tried to plug in his DSL modem.. no luck, no USB drivers. Had to use ethernet instead. Why would someone want to deal with unsupported hardware all the time? ;)

Bonjour eliminates the need for drivers. When I got my mac in my new corp office I could IMMEDIATELY connect to every printer and the wireless network as well as jack into ethernet and it would KNOW and switch. It took me two days to get all the drivers for all the printers in my office and still some do not work on this PC.

SchoonerRat
02-05-2009, 01:30 PM
A proper reformat will write 0s to the entire drive. Rootkits are not an issue at that point. But I don't think Joe should waste his time reinstalling windows. Ubuntu will fit every need and be easier to use for a Mac person.
A proper format may not be possible. Many rootkits attach themselves to your format command and do not allow it to complete its task.

I agree that Ubuntu would be a much better choice than XP but if a rootkit is present, it will still allow somebody to take over your machine. The rootkit must be eliminated and reformatting might not be enough.

John of Phoenix
02-05-2009, 01:39 PM
Imagine if you opened your refrigerator and it TRICKED you into smelling rotten food, and you were stupid enough to THROW it out, only to be left hungry with no food HAaaaaaaaaaaaaaar Haaar you fool your obviously Technically illiterate dont you KNOW the old rotten food fridge virus .
This is why we PC nerds only eat canned food and keep only beer in the fridge.
Oh, and cheese but only because cheese can't go bad.

mmd
02-05-2009, 02:29 PM
... and your post just added to it.

frank pedersen
02-05-2009, 02:47 PM
I didn't have the energy to run through all 4 pages of this thread, but maybe someone here can help me. How can I run Rhino on my Mac without opening it up to all the PC issues so colorfully described in the previous postings? And for a reasonable price, if I could have it all?

pcford
02-05-2009, 02:49 PM
Is "kitt" yet another incarnation of our friend Dutch? He/she/it certainly sounds sufficiently tedious.

pcford
02-05-2009, 02:57 PM
I didn't have the energy to run through all 4 pages of this thread, but maybe someone here can help me. How can I run Rhino on my Mac without opening it up to all the PC issues so colorfully described in the previous postings? And for a reasonable price, if I could have it all?

You could do a dual boot on your Mac. You could have to get a copy of XP or Vista operating system.
The problems with viruses has been vastly overstated by certain excitable boys on this thread. I have had a problem with a virus only once, back in the early 90s before I was running an antivirus program.

John of Phoenix
02-05-2009, 03:03 PM
Joe at the 3:45 mark on your video you say there's a message from Spyware Cleaner 2.

THAT'S THE PROGRAM THATS CAUSING YOUR GRIEF. It's the one you keep clicking. STOP opening it.
Nasty people. From the link previously provided by pcford:

Cons

- Aggressive selling tactics
- Poor software delivery
- Below average effectiveness
- Sluggish user interface
- Possible false positives

Editor's Update: Spyware Cleaner is now the target of a New York lawsuit alleging that the program makes use of false positives to goad consumers into purchasing the product. The review below was written two months before this lawsuit was announced.

Secure Computer Spyware Cleaner Product Review
We received an email yesterday from a reader who wrote:

"I need your help. I may have gotten scammed. A spyware cleaner program came on my screen, saying it will scan for spyware. It said I had 90 infections, and that I needed to register. Then, they wanted a fee! I purchased it with Visa today, but am having second thoughts. Could you just tell me if [they] are a legitimate business?
-Suzie"

Suzie, we're happy to help. When I read your email, I was very suspicious. A legitimate anti-spyware company would never stoop to pushing their product through popups, as these are delivered through spyware programs themselves.

So I went to the company website only to find that the URL was not found... a very bad sign. I then found a few other websites pushing this product, so I picked one and ordered it. To tell you the truth, I thought long and hard about filling my credit card information on that form, but I guess that's why we're here. We take the risk and test these sites out so that our readers can avoid getting ripped off. Of course, this means I occasionally have to cancel the company credit card.

Anyway, it took a long time to even complete the order as the sales process was filled with screen after screen of "add-on" offers. These included a pop-up blocker (unnecessary, because popup blockers are built into virtually every browser these days), an internet accelerator (useful for dialup users), an anti-spam program, MemTurbo (which is a pretty good program which helps to keep your computer running fast), an extended download service ($9.95), a second license key ($9.95), 1 year priority technical support ($9.95), or an additional license for a friend ($19.95). Then they wouldn't complete the order until we filled out a feedback form about the ordering process.

From here, there was no online registration key or download link. We had to wait three days for a license key. When it arrived, there was no download link and so we had to search on the web to find one.

The good news is that after all this, it turns out this product isn't a scam. The bad news is that it's overpriced and doesn't work that well. Read on for more details.




If you can't delete it yourself, tell your IT person to do it.

pcford
02-05-2009, 04:01 PM
Somebody actually listened to me.

SchoonerRat
02-05-2009, 04:11 PM
Somebody actually listened to me.
If you say things nicely and don't call people names they are much more likely to hear you, even if they don't agree with you. I commend you for your restraint on this thread!

pcford
02-05-2009, 04:23 PM
If you say things nicely and don't call people names they are much more likely to hear you, even if they don't agree with you. I commend you for your restraint on this thread!

I don't suffer fools gladly.

Say, aren't you the guy that wrote in private message and warned me to stay away from a certain kind of pet? If so, you are a model of restraint.

SchoonerRat
02-05-2009, 04:39 PM
I don't suffer fools gladly.

Say, aren't you the guy that wrote in private message and warned me to stay away from certain kind of pets? If so, you are a model of restraint.
Nope. Wasn't me. I've never sent a pm to you.

You seem to be taking my comment wrong. I sensed a change in your attitude. Your posts on this thread seemed much less antagonistic then in previous threads along this subject matter and I tried to comment on them favorably. Do I need to retract that praise because you are now calling me a fool, or have I misinterpreted your post?

pcford
02-05-2009, 04:45 PM
Nope. Wasn't me. I've never sent a pm to you.

It was another guy with a reference to a schooner in his sigfile. Just nuked it the other day.

Ah, just refreshed my memory...now I remember. Funny how people that don't know you can get an opinion which is so strong. People are funny...like Art Linkletter once said.



You seem to be taking my comment wrong. I sensed a change in your attitude. Your posts on this thread seemed much less antagonistic then in previous threads along this subject matter and I tried to comment on them favorably. Do I need to retract that praise because you are now calling me a fool, or have I misinterpreted your post?

Not calling you a fool. 'Course if the shoe fits... One does not have to look far in these environs to find foolish people.

The silly Mac fanboys are not worth the energy to really get steamed up.

Michael Beckman
02-05-2009, 05:22 PM
A proper format may not be possible. Many rootkits attach themselves to your format command and do not allow it to complete its task.

I agree that Ubuntu would be a much better choice than XP but if a rootkit is present, it will still allow somebody to take over your machine. The rootkit must be eliminated and reformatting might not be enough.

Sorry, but I've gotta call bull**** on this one. The formatting process is done by the OS installation CD (or a dedicated disk manager such as GParted (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php)). This entirely bypasses the hard drive, so unless you have hardware with infected firmware(very unlikely) it will be wiped.

Michael Beckman
02-05-2009, 05:27 PM
A rootkit is simply a type of virus that makes itself entirely hidden. Usually within system files. Very difficult to remove.. unless you reformat.

John of Phoenix
02-05-2009, 05:44 PM
SIX pages. Rock on.

Joe, I bet your IT lady has this fixed in 10 minutes, if that long.

willmarsh3
02-05-2009, 05:55 PM
Probably the most famous rootkits of all was part of Sony's infamous copy prevention scheme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Sony_BMG_CD_copy_prevention_scandal

SchoonerRat
02-05-2009, 06:14 PM
I have to agree with Michael here... I've been working with PC's (including designing hardware that fits inside them) since the very first, and I never heard of a 'rootkit'. If you're referring to the Master Boot Record on the hard drive, this would get overwritten by the installation CD, regardless of whether it's Windows or Ubuntu or anything else. Yes, some viruses corrupted the MBR in the past, but modern anti-virus programs know that, and fix it... and in any event, a new ground-up installation including a disk format would eliminate any threat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit

Rootkits can hide in firmware where no amount of hard disc formatting can get to them.

I have dealt with rootkits that were able to survive or prevent a low level format on 2 different occasions. In one case I was able to get rid of it by the use of a 3rd party formatter after replacing the machine's firmware.

The other machine was a Mac (yes, that's right-I got a client's Mac hacked.) I was stupid--really stupid! I was remotely administering that machine using VNC, not realizing that every time I logged in I was broadcasting my password in plain text to the whole world. Just like on the PC, every attempt to do a low level reformat ended with an error message. I was able to do a quick format but the root kit remained in place.

I had never heard of a root kit before I was hit the first time. Haveing never heard of the problem didn't make it any less real. I'd like to say that cleaning the Mac was easier than the PC, but to be fair, when the Mac got hit I already had a good idea of what I was dealing with. The Mac's firmware did not get hit like the PC but I think that was more just dumb luck than anything else.

John of Phoenix
02-05-2009, 06:28 PM
replacing the machine's firmware.
Wouldn't that be the BIOS?

SchoonerRat
02-05-2009, 06:59 PM
Wouldn't that be the BIOS?
No. The firmware is on a chip that is reprogrammable and non volatile. It can be upgraded through software. BIOS is not reprogrammable without replacing the chips. BIOS handles the basic input and output stuff that the computer has to know how to do before it can even start to access a disc drive. As I understand it, firmware can reroute and replace BIOS instructions, but it is a different animal.

John of Phoenix
02-06-2009, 11:54 AM
How's the patient? Still twitchin'?

George Jung
02-06-2009, 01:22 PM
Whew! Prolific bunch here.

I've just scanned three pages, trying to catch up; do I understand that the gist of this thread is "PC - the thinking mans computer"?

Joe (SoCal)
02-08-2009, 02:35 PM
Quick update before this little laptop dies again :(

Well I'm about to give up and throw it in the garbage, it has gotten worse and worse and worse. Now it barely stays on before it crashes. Half my programs don't work and it takes about 5 attempts to restart just to open the web browser. I'm about 1 more fatal crash away from using it as a Frisbee.

On Friday my IT person at work gave it a fast look over and sneered at me and shrugged her shoulders saying I need to load the corporate approved McAfee protection software, and she was not responsible to fix personal laptops ( BUT Sales Associates are required to have their own laptops :mad: ) ) If I don't take a mallet to this laptop before tomorrow I will try to piss her off again by making her take another look at it since I've reloaded the McAfee and ran it full scan 4 times since Friday ( TWO FOOKING HOURS EACH TIME ) Each time it found MAJOR trojans and viruses, and each time it deleted them.

But the problems keep getting worse and worse I can only run one program at a time and even then it can go click off SHUT DOWN at ANYTIME :mad::mad:

Seriously this has now developed far beyond a Mac vs PC rant this is I FOOKING HATE WINDOWS WITH ALL MY FOOKING HEART RANT.

HOW THE HELL DO YOU PEOPLE LIVE WITH THIS KIND OF ABSOLUTE BULL****E CRAP ?????????

The kinds and types of problems I'm having I NEVER EVER had to deal with before EVER I don't care what you say about PROPERLY running PC these things are total POS :mad:

Paul Pless
02-08-2009, 02:38 PM
HOW THE HELL DO YOU PEOPLE LIVE WITH THIS KIND OF ABSOLUTE BULL****E CRAP ?????????Dunno, that's kind of bull**** hasn't evr happened to me before.

Joe (SoCal)
02-08-2009, 02:42 PM
Dunno, that's kind of bull**** hasn't evr happened to me before.

Yea yea yea :rolleyes: do a quick search on the forum for PC rants.

The simple fact is PC are PRONE to being ATTACKED all the time. Thats the FACT there are nasty bugs out there TRYING to get at and do EXACTLY what is happening to me.

And YEA it's AMAZINGLY frustrated to not KNOW enough about Windows to be able to decipher and figure out this.
With my Mac I KNEW what I was doing. I'm flying blind here and it is totally pissing me off. :mad::mad::mad:

It NEVER happened to me before I had a PC

pcford
02-08-2009, 02:45 PM
I FOOKING HATE WINDOWS WITH ALL MY FOOKING HEART RANT.

HOW THE HELL DO YOU PEOPLE LIVE WITH THIS KIND OF ABSOLUTE BULL****E CRAP ?????????


Instead of whining about about operating systems and how superior Macs are why don't you pop for paying a geek to look at it. How much is your time worth?

It's taken me a long time to figure out that it is a lot better for other people to work on my cars and computers. If they don't work, then you have somebody to scream at. Much better than attempting to do it yourself, failing and then proclaiming the stupidity of PCs and PC owners. Just an idea.

Oh, you might remember next time not to download stray programs off of the internet when a popup suggests that you should.

Free advice: Macafee is a POS antivirus system. About the worst. A huge resource drag. I use Kaspersky.

Joe (SoCal)
02-08-2009, 03:03 PM
PcFord I'm posting from my iphone cause the laptop died 1/2 way into my post to you :mad:

# You assume because of my video that I initialy clicked on a popup thats not 100% correct that pop up just showed up in my tool bar before I clicked it in the video.

#2 Yes I have already thought that I will have to pay $$$$ for some geek to fix my $300 laptop.

#4 FWIW the other main problem with PC's is EVERYONE has an opinion on what virus protection or how to fix. It that if you did what everyone tells you you will do nothing but reconfig e erything all day long. As for MacAfee it's the only aproved software my company will touch so if I hope to get IT to smugly look at it on Monday it has to be on.

pcford
02-08-2009, 03:22 PM
PcFord I'm posting from my iphone cause the laptop died 1/2 way into my post to you :mad:



As bitter as this is for you to swallow, it's your fault. First, for buying the cheapest computer possible and expecting it to perform like a Macbook costing what, 6 times as much. Second, for hitting the Spyware Cleaner spamware when prompted. Finally, for trying to fix it yourself when you know next to nothing about PCs. No doubt you've screwed it up worse.

Sad but true.

Joe (SoCal)
02-08-2009, 03:35 PM
As bitter as this is for you to swallow, it's your fault. First, for buying the cheapest computer possible and expecting it to perform like a Macbook costing what, 6 times as much. Second, for hitting the Spyware Cleaner spamware when prompted. Finally, for trying to fix it yourself when you know next to nothing about PCs. No doubt you've screwed it up worse.

Sad but true.

Still don't get the OS vs cost thing. Is there a cheeper form of XP ??
If I buy the $900 Macbook or the $4,000 fully loaded Powerbook I get the exact same OSX and it runs EXACTLY the same. Except for speed, but they both behave exactly the same. And you don't need to know a whole lot to work them and they never do what this laptop did.

You never ever ever ever have to worry about clicking ANYTHING.

So yea I'm screwed so guess what I'm gonna get with my tax refund ;) and guess what video I will post when I combine this POS and a framing hammer ;) At least it was only a $300 lesson.

NEVER AGAIN

BTW still posting from my Apple iPhone this thing is ROCK SOLID and never crashes

Tom Wilkinson
02-08-2009, 03:57 PM
Why don't you just by another frikkin mac and be done with it. Hell, best buy will probably finance it for 0% for a year for ya. If this is so important and necessary for work then just spring for the damn thing. You could have one for under a grand.

A thousand bucks is nothing for a necessary work tool.

clancy
02-08-2009, 04:17 PM
I just had a similar problem to Joe's. My Gateway desktop started turning itself off. Each time I restarted it the duration it would run got shorter. Booting in safe mode had the same result. Someone in work told me to unplug it and pull the memory. I did that and it returned to normal.

Tom Montgomery
02-08-2009, 04:33 PM
I just have to say that I am stunned at what some people are willing to tolerate.

I'm with you, Joe. A PC should work as reliably as any other appliance. I have owned PC's manufactured by the company that invented them since 1985 and have NEVER experienced problems even APPROACHING what you are experiencing. Some people scoff at the price of Apple products and being locked into "proprietary" software AS IF THAT IS A BAD THING! Alan Kay got it right long ago:

People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware.

Michael Beckman
02-08-2009, 06:08 PM
Joe, before you smash the thing in, heres an offer. Backup/delete anything you need on the computer, mail it to me. I'll fix it up (and load Ubuntu if you'd like) and send it back..

SchoonerRat
02-08-2009, 09:39 PM
It's a loaded and invalid comparison. Since OSX has to work on one, and only one machine, AND the machine is made by the same guys as the OS, it's no surprise that they fit together. You PAY for that seamless integration, though..... in the price differential. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you acknowledge it.

Windows XP, on the other hand, has to work with thousands of different machines that Microsoft didn't make and has no control of... so it wouldn't be at all surprising that there are occasional problems here and there.... which can always be solved, by the way; you just can't solve them because you don't know anything about computers other than their use as an appliance. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just that maybe you need the Mac because you just don't have the joss to deal with anything else.



I hope like hell you do, because I'm frankly pretty tired of listening to you trash PC's due at least significantly to your own inadequacies!

(Take THAT, why don't ya!):o:o:o
So let me understand what you're saying. Windows has to run on many different machines from many different manufacturers and that causes problems which require the user to have specialized knowledge and skills that an intelligent computer user like Joe doesn't have and doesn't need if he has a Mac.

Well said, and thank you for restating yet another great reason for choosing Mac over Windows.

As to the price differential. Yes, Macs cost a bit more but not that much for a comparably equipped machine. Apple has chosen not to make a "low end" Mac and much of the false impression of Macs being much more expensive than PCs arises from the fact that you can buy a PC for $300. Much cheaper than the low end of the Mac line.

Michael Beckman
02-08-2009, 09:50 PM
A 300 dollar PC is excellent for the basic user. Internet, basic photo editing(picasa or similar), music, etc all work great. If the computer is set up properly. 90% of the problem is that PC manufacturers include a lot of extra garbage you don't need. The reason these computers are cheap is that the hardware is no longer top end. So if you use the computer like you would use a top of the line computer say 3-4 years ago, it will run like a top. There are many Linux distributions aimed at low-end PCs that will also greatly enhance performance.

Joe (SoCal)
02-08-2009, 10:01 PM
FWIW I purchased this little cheep sub-notebook for exactly what it's intended to do. Web / Email / Word thats it. not running heavy graphics or games on it. Simple basic work related stuff.

I've never been so disappointed with an electronic purchase in my entire life. I went to Staples tonight with receipt in had to return the POS. They said they cant return it after 17 days ( How do they come up with 17 days ? ) So I'm stuck with it until I can get a Macbook.

If I bought any other electronic device and it worked as poorly as this I would expect a full refund ASAP. Imagine if you bought a $340 digital camera and all of a sudden it just kept crashing and turning off and you lost all your photos. Or a MP3 player that would loose all the music stored on it. Why is it acceptable on a POS PC ???? FWIW My iPhone can do almost everything this laptop can do and it just WORKS you turn it on and do what you have to do and toss it in your pocket and don't think about it. I just wish it had a slightly bigger screen and a keyboard.

elf
02-09-2009, 12:29 AM
Still blaming the victim, I see.

You people are appalling.

R.I.Singer30
02-09-2009, 07:19 AM
I can't ride this bike ,I can't ride this bike.......but it's just like everyone elses bike...I can't ride this bike. Put the chain back on it and stop whinning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRCIvU4lvbA

Not to say you are drunk but everyone here does not have your infliction and gets around smoothly . We are trying to help you, not laugh at you,though there is some humor here.

Paul Pless
02-09-2009, 07:21 AM
Still blaming the victim, I see.

You people are appalling.hahaha... funny

cs
02-09-2009, 07:35 AM
Tell you what Joe, I will give you $50 for the laptop. You send it to me and I will send you $50 and you will not have to worry about it again.

Chad

BrianW
02-09-2009, 07:38 AM
Still blaming the victim, I see.

You people are appalling.

Leave Joe alone!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/leave-britney-alone-guy.jpg

:D

StevenBauer
02-09-2009, 08:50 AM
OK, I'll jump back in here. The problem isn't with the computer. It's with the operating system. Just wipe Windows right off that thing and load up Linux and it will work just fine. Just like a mac. :) My little Asus EEEPC has Ubunto Linux on it and it has never had the slightest problem. And no silly techno knowledge required. Just turn it on and it works. Linux has come a long way and is very user friendly. :) Good luck.


Steven

JTA
02-09-2009, 08:56 AM
Chad beat me to it. I'll give you $51

John of Phoenix
02-09-2009, 09:37 AM
You have a couple of offers to fix it for free and an auction to buy it.

Ever see THAT with a Mac? :razz:

High C
02-09-2009, 09:46 AM
$76 plus shipping

elf
02-09-2009, 10:10 AM
It's a case of self-victimization, elf.
Yeah, sure. Like rape.

Listen to yourselves. You're behaving defensively, you're spiteful, you're ungenerous, you're rude. The whole bunch of you, except for maybe Beckmann and he's the one who most loves his hand assembled PCs.

So Joe boasts about his Macs and he buys a PC and gets major invasions despite running the anti-virus stuff he's been given to run.

Take away his boasting, and how well we know him, and your eagerness to jump on him would be vastly reduced.

I know men communicate by fighting, or appositionally as it's described in some studies. But this thread demonstrates just how willing you all are to pile on when someone who's outspoken and colorful, and sometimes pretty silly and self-important, touches one of your sensitive spots.

It's really ugly and I wish you'd stop and think about how you look.

R.I.Singer30
02-09-2009, 10:18 AM
We are being trained to recycle and would hate to see Joe smash a perfectly good Schwinn/PC just so he can do a pro mac commercial.;)

BrianW
02-09-2009, 10:23 AM
Lets not have any touching of sensitive spots. :D

Paul Pless
02-09-2009, 10:26 AM
Yeah, sure. Like rape.Laughable... and disengenuous... at best. The fact of the matter is, is that Joe is a lightning rod here in the bilge on a number of topics for a variety of reasons. The number one reason on this particular subject is due to the number of times he's posted Bwaaaaaahaaahahahaha you shoulda bought an effing Mac! onto other people's threads when they had problems with their own PC's.

Joe (SoCal)
02-09-2009, 11:40 AM
FWIW There is some feminen truth to what elf is trying to say. But also truth in that I'm a lightning rod for testing my rhino skin on this subject.

The truth is I honestly tried to give windows XP a try and I was kinda lulled into thinking its come a long way by some on this forum. But not in my wildest pessimistic nightmares did I think it would go this poorly. :(

Norman as much as I would like to day your .30 on the dollar offer and share a beer with you the YouTube smash will be far more rewarding and fitting my personality.

Michael Beckman
02-09-2009, 04:56 PM
It would be a shame to destroy it. Like chainsawing up a boat because the paint was in rough shape.

If you're set on buying a new mac either way, at least if someone fixs it for you you'll have a back up computer. Or I'm sure you could find someone that could really benefit from a nice new netbook.

StevenBauer
02-09-2009, 05:19 PM
Erase that crappy Windows! Linux is free and it works great. No worries. :D


Steven

John of Phoenix
02-09-2009, 05:30 PM
Set the BIOS to boot to usb maybe? Is that possible?

Bruce Taylor
02-09-2009, 05:40 PM
Yes, it is.... of course, you'd need a USB CD drive for that to make sense.

The Aspire One can boot from a USB flash drive (I imagine it'd be no problem to run Hiren's boot CD, UBCD or another boot package from it).

Offer him 86 bucks. :D

Bruce Taylor
02-09-2009, 05:47 PM
Ahhh... but do they provide the contents for that USB flash? When you buy it? Or via download? I'm curious to know what provisions they make for problems like Joe's, where it's better to do a complete system re-write back exact initial conditions. It's been quite a while since I bought a 'store-bought' computer, but the last one I bought (a Compaq laptop) came with the drive pre-partitioned, and the complete initial OS on the D: drive. I've never had to use it, thankfully.

I edited the above while you were typing.

Hiren's and UBCD are easily downloaded. There's a new "swiss army knife" package out there that techs seem to like...I forget the name right now.

EDIT...Hawk PE. I haven't tried that one.

Michael Beckman
02-09-2009, 06:02 PM
http://www.eeebuntu.org/index.php?page=faq

Can I Install Eeebuntu On Another Netbook I.E. Not An EeePC?
The strength of Eeebuntu lies in its custom kernel and the Eeeconfigure system which, at the moment, has no provision for other netbooks. However since the Eeeconfigure system is extensible and many of the kernel modifications are designed for generic components (i.e. different wifi cards) there is a strong chance that the install will work out of the box and then you can record your own scripting modifications with Eeeconfigure, then share them with the community so they too can install on their netbooks.
We have had feedback that in addition to the EeePC range of netbooks, Eeebuntu also runs out of the box on: the Eee Box, the Acer Aspire One, the Samsung NC10


Ubuntu (8.10) Intrepid Ibex provides a very simple way to install an operating system to a USB stick. You can use this system to create a bootable live image of Eeebuntu which you can test on the EeePC before installing it and then, if you like it, you can use to install directly to the EeePC.

Once you have downloaded the Eeebuntu ISO you want to test and install, you will use the utility found in System -> Administration -> Create a USB startup disk.

How To Prepare The USB Stick

Plug in your USB stick - it should be at least 1GB for the installation to fit.

Start the Create a USB startup disk utility.

The utility may offer to format the USB stick. This will erase all information on the USB stick.

Under the Source Disk Image section of the window, click Other to choose your Eeebuntu ISO.

Allow the utility to create the USB installation stick and then use it to boot the EeePC.

John of Phoenix
02-09-2009, 06:02 PM
I'm curious to know what provisions they make for problems like Joe's, where it's better to do a complete system re-write back exact initial conditions. It's been quite a while since I bought a 'store-bought' computer, but the last one I bought (a Compaq laptop) came with the drive pre-partitioned, and the complete initial OS on the D: drive. I've never had to use it, thankfully.
I have a Dell that came w/out the OS disk (bad plan) but if you press F8 during boot, you're given several boot options one of which is to format the disk and return to the original factory configuration. Could be something similar on Joe's problem child.

Bruce Taylor
02-09-2009, 06:08 PM
Could be something similar on Joe's problem child.

Acer "erecovery" info:

http://www.acerpanam.com/synapse/forms/portal20.cfm?recordid=853&formid=3390&website=AcerPanAm.com&siteid=7117&words=all&keywords=&areaid=2

Michael Beckman
02-09-2009, 06:10 PM
Got an extra http:// there.

Bruce Taylor
02-09-2009, 06:18 PM
Got an extra http:// there.

Caffeine poisoning. :D

John of Phoenix
02-09-2009, 06:30 PM
Ah, there it is - erecovery.
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The unit is able to reload Windows from this mode faster then from CD.
All techies an no english majors at Acer it seems. :)

Bruce Taylor
02-09-2009, 06:58 PM
Ah, there it is - erecovery.
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All techies an no english majors at Acer it seems. :)

Taiwanese techies, too. With support like that, I'd offer eighty seven. :D

If the onboard "erecovery" is mangled, and you don't want to load eebuntu (as Michael suggests), search "aspire one recovery" on ebay.

High C
02-09-2009, 07:10 PM
OK, so they do it just like my Compaq does it: via a separate partition with the original OS and config info on it. Well, hell's bells, that's trivially simple!


That should work in this case, but it sure is lousy practice that many manufacturers are guilty of. Guess what happens when the hard drive fails?

It's important to create your own set of recovery disks as soon as a new computer comes out of the box. Usually there is a prompt to do it on initial startup.

Bruce Taylor
02-09-2009, 07:25 PM
That should work in this case, but it sure is lousy practice that many manufacturers are guilty of. Guess what happens when the hard drive fails?

Hence the market for that "aspire one recovery" kit on ebay (I'm guessing there's a pirate copy of XP involved, there).

Michael Beckman
02-09-2009, 07:29 PM
Best solution is to build it yourself, and buy your own copy of windows. You learn more and have less problems in the long run.

Joe (SoCal)
02-09-2009, 07:48 PM
but the last one I bought (a Compaq laptop) came with the drive pre-partitioned, and the complete initial OS on the D: drive. I've never had to use it, thankfully.

Yup that's what I had to do.
Put all important documents on a 4 gig USB flash drive and gave it a full lobotomy :rolleyes:

FWIW the on board "erecovery" launch program was mangled
For those with an acer to reformat the computer to factory settings and loose all the date you bang "Fn" & "F10" at start up and poof NEW BRAIN :D

All fixed

So now the big question how do I prevent this from happening again.

I have to run MacAfee because thats the only approved and supported corp virus protection. So aside from turning on my firewalls and running virus protection and NOT CLICKING ANYTHING what else should I load or NOT load ?

I'm brand new like a little baby again. :)

Michael Beckman
02-09-2009, 07:57 PM
For internet Firefox with Adblock plus
For office stuff openoffice is great.
I use itunes for music needs.

Keep it simple. If everything goes to hell again I would again recommend Ubuntu. It would have everything you love about macs, and work on your pc.

Joe (SoCal)
02-09-2009, 08:00 PM
For internet Firefox with Adblock plus
For office stuff openoffice is great.
I use itunes for music needs.

Keep it simple. If everything goes to hell again I would again recommend Ubuntu. It would have everything you love about macs, and work on your pc.

Check on firefox with Safari backup ( Adblock ??)
Check Love OPEN office
Check iTunes Duh ;)

What about spybot ?

And thank you for being a prince Michael

SMARTINSEN
02-09-2009, 08:13 PM
( Adblock ??)


Adblock (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865).

I think that this is the essential plugin for FF. It is easy to install, works perfectly, and by not having to view the advertisement it is all the more likely that you will not be tempted to click on a link of dubious or dangerous origin.

I can't stand looking at all of the ads that proliferate on the internet, it is worse than TV

Joe (SoCal)
02-09-2009, 08:27 PM
Adblock (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865).

I think that this is the essential plugin for FF. It is easy to install, works perfectly, and by not having to view the advertisement it is all the more likely that you will not be tempted to click on a link of dubious or dangerous origin.

I can't stand looking at all of the ads that proliferate on the internet, it is worse than TV

Thanks - done

elf
02-09-2009, 08:31 PM
What happens if you run SVG, or is it AVG, at the same time as McAfee?

PC users?

The only time I used a PC running XP a similar thing happened and after much puzzling I saw an ad for SVG anti-virus (I think that's what it's called, you PC guys keep recommending it) and after running it about 6 times it did fix the PC.

If one must have viruses and such then that seems like the anti-virus to run.

But I don't know whether one could run it with McAfee, or just ignore the McAfee and use it instead.

Michael Beckman
02-09-2009, 08:48 PM
For spyware: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/defender/default.mspx

Wonderful program. Free also.

Michael Beckman
02-09-2009, 08:49 PM
You can only run one antivirus at a time. More than one will result in some serious conflicts of interest;)

Joe (SoCal)
02-09-2009, 08:52 PM
OK I think I'm fully up and running and fully protected now.
Things are certainly working WAY better, almost Mac like ;)

Thank you and my rhino skin is still intact ;)

John of Phoenix
02-09-2009, 09:05 PM
Make SURE you get all the Windows security updates installed too. That should happen automatically with Windows Update but it will take awhile and require a few restarts.

Larry P.
02-09-2009, 09:15 PM
sorry joe that's it your done, a new bill gates drone:(

Joe (SoCal)
02-09-2009, 09:18 PM
sorry joe that's it your done, a new bill gates drone:(

Naaaa Larry I'll still get a Macbook as soon as I can. This is a temp laptop ;) Just glad it's not as temporary as it almost was. ;)

John of Phoenix
02-09-2009, 09:21 PM
So if your IT person won't help you out with any problems... why does she care what AV you use?

What does this person actually do anyway?

Joe (SoCal)
02-09-2009, 09:23 PM
So if your IT person won't help you out with any problems... why does she care what AV you use?

We have a call in corp help desk and they only support the corp approved AV.

Bruce Taylor
02-09-2009, 09:48 PM
Hey, good news!

Set your antivirus to run at night, and you won't have to see it do its thing.

John of Phoenix
02-09-2009, 09:53 PM
McAfee supports their own products. You call his lady and say, "It's not working." She says what?

What is this person's function other than to say, "Not my problem" when you have a problem?

Joe (SoCal)
02-09-2009, 09:58 PM
McAfee supports their own products. You call his lady and say, "It's not working." She says what?

What is this person's function other than to say, "Not my problem" when you have a problem?

Now you know why I have 2 hour Monday morning meetings about 38 pages of paperwork to sell a $8,000 item. :rolleyes: My brain is still hurting from that one. :(

Welcome to the 7th level of corporate hell :mad:

Joe (SoCal)
02-09-2009, 10:00 PM
Norman NO ONE on this forum can make a thread about nothing like me - NO ONE :D

It's actually a gift - Even in real life I have the gift in conversation, the Irish call it "The Gift Of Eloquence " one of my buddies calls me the supreme raconteur, anyway I can tell a yarn and get people involved ;)

John of Phoenix
02-09-2009, 10:03 PM
http://www2.iwu.edu/iwunews/magazine/pastissues/Fall_2005/Images/ref_flag.jpg

PILING ON!

:D :D

John of Phoenix
02-09-2009, 11:31 PM
You gonna change that sour puss avatar now?

Joe (SoCal)
02-10-2009, 10:19 AM
OK here's a challenge for you gifted PC guys. I Downloaded iTunes now how do I transfer and back up my iPhone ( music & data ) to the new laptop. Cause every time I go to back it up it asks me if I want to wipe out all my data :( NO I DO NOT ;)

John of Phoenix
02-10-2009, 11:23 AM
it asks me if I want to wipe out all my data NO I DO NOT
So click, "NO I DO NOT" and proceed. :confused:

Paul Girouard
02-20-2009, 12:53 AM
Joe maybe Kylie could help you out:D

http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2313.entry