"Found in a Vineyard" Aeolus Dory [Archive]

banjoman

12-09-2008, 09:48 PM

Update.
The bucket of rot found her way into my garage and work has begun. Yes. It would be easier to build new but where is the fun in that?:rolleyes:

Pictures speak louder than words.
As she sat
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/newcamera363.jpg
On the truck
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/newcamera392.jpg
Yup....it is bad
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/newcamera429.jpg
Self-bailing at least
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/newcamera423.jpg
Frame glue-up....templates above
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/newcamera472.jpg

banjoman

12-09-2008, 09:50 PM

New frame installed...some muck-ups but not too bad for my first time.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/Firstframein006.jpg

Wish she looked this good from up close.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/newcamera454.jpg

Chip-skiff

12-09-2008, 09:55 PM

Noble effort— thanks for posting this.

I love the last picture. . .

afuera

12-09-2008, 10:02 PM

thats a nice car in the driveway...

banjoman

12-09-2008, 10:09 PM

thats a nice car in the driveway...

It would fit nice right about where that damn boat is.
At least it has a coat of mahogany dust to protect it from the sun.:o

Larks

12-09-2008, 10:10 PM

Well done B'man. That moaning chair appears to be very conveniently, or expectantly, parked (right in front of the fridge). Is it trained to do that?

banjoman

12-09-2008, 10:11 PM

Noble effort

That is pretty much what people tell folks who are bailing water on a sinking ship.:D:D

ModH-28

12-09-2008, 10:11 PM

Kool!!
Pop

banjoman

12-09-2008, 10:14 PM

I'd put my moaning chair against any other chair in the business!! Bought her for 2 bucks at an army surplus sale about 10 years ago. Build like a rock. Knows where the beer is. Tilts and spins too!
What more could I ask?

afuera

12-09-2008, 10:23 PM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3145/3097320850_316e349d0a_b.jpg

just for fun

Thorne

12-09-2008, 11:25 PM

I know the tides are supposed to be really high this week, but isn't that being just a wee bit pessimistic?

;0 )

Have Mike call me if you are working on it during the day = I'm only a few blocks away.

Lew Barrett

12-09-2008, 11:32 PM

It always gives me great pleasure to look back at the boat I'm working on in whatever state it might be in, so I understand the satisfaction of the driveway shot. Good luck on the project. Found boats are so much fun. I'm really enjoying mine.

banjoman

12-10-2008, 12:14 AM

I know the tides are supposed to be really high this week, but isn't that being just a wee bit pessimistic?

Well Thorn....you and I are well within reaches of a high tide if all our ice caps melt.:D

I'll be working on her both Thursday and Friday after about 4:30 until 7-8.

Sat and Sun are open. I'll give you a call to to let know when I will be out there.

Garage door is open if I am working.

rbgarr

12-10-2008, 05:30 AM

Swell find. Have the neighbors admired her rigged out in your driveway like that?

JimD

12-10-2008, 10:25 AM

That will be a very pretty boat when you're done.

boylesboats

12-10-2008, 10:33 AM

Nice....
At least it still intact enough to take off lines for new build, but yet planks still can be replaced...

Canoeyawl

12-10-2008, 11:58 AM

If you look carefully at this photo of the frames you will notice that the original plywood frame gussets have a radius at the intersection of frame and floor. In the Aeolus shop this was considered critical and some of the builders would add a small filler piece to keep out water. Bill himself did not do this filler piece but did use the radius... Your frame gusset has been cut at an abrupt angle and may be structurally weaker than the original.
(Note also that limbers are also an important detail for long life)

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/Firstframein006.jpg

banjoman

12-10-2008, 12:46 PM

The frame is just set in place to make sure it would fit. Limbers will be cut prior to fastening it in.

I didn't even notice the radius. Just used a flush cut router to match the ply to the frame. I also messed up on the curve of the ply at the top. this one may be just a test run to figure out what I am doing.

I can't see which pic you are talking about as photobucket is blocked at work. Will check when I get home.

Little Billy

12-10-2008, 04:31 PM

I think I could use a moaning chair and a fridge full of beer.

12-10-2008, 05:11 PM

I was going to comment on your moaning chair but you beat me to it:D
It's good to see the boat being brought back from the edge of oblivion, someone has put a great deal of themselves into it. it would be a shame to see it wasted.

Chip-skiff

12-10-2008, 10:10 PM

Some of us choose our projects for quick satisfaction, while others prefer a challenge: think of it as the Great American Novel, written in wood.

banjoman

12-11-2008, 12:46 PM

Some of us choose our projects for quick satisfaction, while others prefer a challenge: think of it as the Great American Novel, written in wood.

That is the best anyone has somed up this project....

In my case however.....to make the comparison.... the original Great American Novel would have had to be written in crayon!:p:D

banjoman

12-14-2008, 11:24 PM

Worked a few hours over the weekend and got two more frames done as well as the centerboard trunk removed. I added the radius to the ply that Canoeyawl pointed out. Thanks for that tip!

Fitting a frame
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/Secondandthirdin015.jpg

All done....need to clean up some glue. My brother gives me a hard time about my screws not being evenly spaced but Bill's nails weren't either!!!!
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/Secondandthirdin028.jpg

Ummmm..yea..

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/Secondandthirdin023-1.jpg

Tools of the trade. Notice the empty beer bottle? Most important tool.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/Secondandthirdin012.jpg

Next is to redo the plywood on the first frame I did and then replace the two old ones that are left. Then the transom and stem before flipping her over.

hansp77

12-15-2008, 12:04 AM

Nice work, this is going to be a good thread!

SC-Lion

12-18-2008, 12:01 PM

Thanks for the great thread, old Bill would have been proud.

glennmajestic

12-18-2008, 01:57 PM

awesome find I am green with envy.;)

boylesboats

12-18-2008, 03:48 PM

It look promising

banjoman

12-18-2008, 11:56 PM

Thanks for the great thread, old Bill would have been proud.

That, if anything, is what I am going for. I make no bones about this being easier to do as a new build. I am not rebuilding a show piece. I am rebuilding a boat that was built to get people on the water safely and efficiently. Something about that nameplate and what I have heard of Bill makes me want to keep as much of the wood he shaped as possible.

More pics to come. 3 out of 5 frames are close to finished.

Thanks for the feedback!

PTs Dory

12-20-2008, 08:59 PM

Nice...! little dory whats the dimenions?

ModH-28

12-21-2008, 09:50 PM

Nice work---a classic.

banjoman

12-28-2008, 08:26 PM

Work has been slowed due to some painting and stuff in Banjowomen's bathroom. That is now done.....All the frames are pretty much done. Not all of them are fastened (none are permanently). Next step is decision time. I have to decide if it would be better to redo the stem and transom now or flip her and do the bottom. Haven't yet cleaned up one of the frames...

More pics....

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/allframesdone043.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/allframesdone045.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/allframesdone031.jpg

I have to decide if I am going to leave the little space caused by the radius in the plywood. From what I understand, Bill did not fill this gap up but other people in his shop did. I did a test just to see how it would look.

With
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/allframesdone046.jpg

Without...not a very good pic....
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/allframesdone049.jpg

pcford

12-28-2008, 11:39 PM

Good luck with your project. Aeolus was around when I started doing this monkey business.

Your pictures give folks a good idea of what boat restoration is.

banjoman

12-29-2008, 10:51 PM

Today I got the frames fastenend in for now and turned her over. Most of the bottom is off. Next thing is to remove the stem and rebuild it and then tack it back in. Then the same with the first layer of the transom.

Hopefully I can then remove and replace one stringer at a time and then re-skin.
Gotta get some nails and roves and get up to speed on riveting...

Easier to build new......but something fun about replacing one piece at a time....

pcford

12-29-2008, 11:04 PM

Easier to build new......but something fun about replacing one piece at a time....

Indeed it is. Wonderful to take a gray bunch of sticks and turn it into something beautiful.

Keep on keeping on!!

ModH-28

12-31-2008, 11:23 PM

Looks like real progress and well done!! Happy New Year!

FSS172

01-01-2009, 10:10 AM

What a great thing you're doing! The moment her hull feels the water again and she spreads her wings to the wind will be such a thrill. Thanks for the thread.

JC 72

01-01-2009, 06:11 PM

You go banjoman! Looks great. Your doing a grand job of it. I think Bill wanted her found and fixed. After all the coments concerning it being easier to start all over, I have to say, that seeing your progress so far makes rebuilding seem the easier option. Hope to see her on the water soon. Did you go up with Thorne to Tomales Bay today for the "Hair of the Dog" row with the TSCA crowd? I'd be there too, if the fire department didn't need me. John

ben2go

01-01-2009, 06:14 PM

Nice work.I can never plane anything that smooth,even with a sharp blade.

banjoman

01-01-2009, 07:38 PM

Nice work.I can never plane anything that smooth,even with a sharp blade.

The trick to using a handplane is.....

Only take pictures when things are going well...:D

Thanks for the comments!! The boat is kind of a mess at the moment with epoxy drips and clamps all over the place. I have been making progress. Scarfed some 3/4 stock for the chines and battens and glued some in. I'll get some pics when I get things cleaned up.

afuera

01-01-2009, 07:51 PM

The trick to using a handplane is.....

Only take pictures when things are going well...:D

And a little tuning.....

http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67034&highlight=plane

banjoman

01-02-2009, 01:32 AM

Cleaning up a scarf for the chine.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/startingonbottom021.jpg

First layer (of 2) of the chine going in. I am a disaster when gluing anything. Thank God for scrapers and sharp chisels... They do not look even at the bow because the aren't....I will cut them to length after I get the second layer in. The band saw and the moaning chair have both migrated.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/startingonbottom023.jpg

banjoman

01-02-2009, 05:01 PM

So today I figured out how many clamps I own.

Used every one of them........

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/startingonbottom007.jpg

I cleaned up some of the drips after the picture was taken. Looking at the other build threads tells me I need to clean up a little better before posting pictures.:D
My neighbor brought over a picture he called "Inspiration". He had it stuck somewhere in his garage and thought it would be better tacked to my wall....so that is what he did....left of the TV above the saws.

It is an old oil painting of a dory on a beach...

ben2go

01-03-2009, 12:29 AM

All those clamps look like a pourcupine. LOL

pila

01-03-2009, 01:16 AM

Very nice project. There is just something about rebuilding a boat as opposed to a fresh new build. Everyone here likely knows what I mean.:)

Yeadon

01-03-2009, 01:48 AM

You're giving hope to every rotting scoundrel boat yet to be found in fields scattered around the world. Attaboy.

banjoman

01-03-2009, 10:57 AM

You're giving hope to every rotting scoundrel boat yet to be found in fields scattered around the world. Attaboy.

Don't know about that. If they saw how invasive the re constructive surgery is....they may opt to just sit and rot in peace.:p

Didn't think of the porcupine. Another neighbor said it looked like a special antenna for calling Mars.

Thanks for the comments!
Today I'll clean up the goop do so fairing on the bottom and maybe get a few more pieces in.

As is usual with these things, I thought I was going to be able to keep a heck of a lot more of the wood.

Brian Palmer

01-03-2009, 12:01 PM

At this stage, do you think you'll be able to keep any of the original wood? Just curious.

Brian

banjoman

01-03-2009, 12:10 PM

At this stage, do you think you'll be able to keep any of the original wood? Just curious.

Brian

I won't be keeping any of the hull.

The main parts that will be original are the thwarts, mast, sprit, rudder, and a few other smaller pieces. Not as much as I originally thought I would keep.

Yeadon

01-03-2009, 11:53 PM

The shape ... you're keeping the shape. That has to count for something.

banjoman

01-04-2009, 12:38 AM

The shape ... you're keeping the shape. That has to count for something.

Gad I hope it counts for something.

Cause that is all this boat will have.

Not to say that I am not having a good time with this project. I have done many small woodworking things and Starduster takes her share but this is different. The boat was well-built, But the rebuild.....

Learning a lot about how it should have been done after it has been done.

Canoeyawl

01-04-2009, 01:23 PM

The "shape" of that dory is worth noting.
The design originates from Chapelle but Bill has introduced some improvements for use a “yacht”, i.e. not full of fish and gear. Some of your posted photos show of these features rather well.
The bottom is narrowed a bit to improve the rowing characteristics and the sides are curved to a lovely shape. The boat is a great little rowboat for two oarsmen but alone it can be a handful against a breeze or current.
Under sail an experienced man is required – the narrowed bottom makes her especially … “tender”

ModH-28

01-05-2009, 11:12 AM

There is a spiritual accountability to consider!!!

ModH-28

01-05-2009, 11:14 AM

Who knows---maybe this is the boat Michael rowed ashore and he made it as far as the vineyard and then, justifiably, crapped out.

banjoman

01-05-2009, 04:43 PM

Good thoughts....

I took the stem off on Sunday and found something I didn't expect....It was built in three pieces.

No pictures so I'll try to explain. It is an inch and a half thick built of two layers of 3/4 stock. One side is one solid piece while the other is two pieces. The seem is at about the mid point. Any idea why this would be done? My first thought was that the wood just wasn't around in the shop (or was trying to use scraps) the day it was built but perhaps there is another reason.

Canoeyawl

01-05-2009, 05:45 PM

Normal practice for that builder, many were built that way.
A time saver, it avoids having to build a form and having to bend the laminates over the form along with all the accompaniment of troubles associated with bending. Maybe a days work...

banjoman

01-06-2009, 01:05 AM

Here is a picture. On one side (port) the stem is all one piece. Turn the stem over and it is two pieces. The seam is marked with the white chalk.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/startingonbottom006.jpg

Old Lure Collector

01-07-2009, 06:00 PM

Nevermind her "Shape", it's her "Character" that survives all this. Keep up the good work, and keep posting pictures please! And in a workshop, there's no such thing as Too Many Clamps!!

.......... Any idea why this would be done? My first thought was that the wood just wasn't around in the shop (or was trying to use scraps) the day it was built but perhaps there is another reason.

That stands to reason. Here's something else to consider. Plywood is multiple sheets of wood laid in perpendicular layers (we all knew that). If the second sheet(s) is applied with a healthy measure of adhesive, and oriented so as NOT to correspond with the wood layers of the first sheet, I can't help but think it would be that much stronger.

Just a thought, I really don't know for sure why yours was constructed it that manner.

banjoman

01-11-2009, 09:25 PM

Progress was slow this week but I did get a little done but only took a few pictures. Besides....who the heck here wants their thread anywhere near the guy Jim Ledger's.:confused::confused::p

Shaping the stem. I decided to use solid stock instead of the lamination that was done. I like the look of a solid stem and I figure if this is what sinks the boat...I must be doing ok.:rolleyes:
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/stemandtransom013.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/stemandtransom018.jpg

banjoman

01-11-2009, 09:26 PM

Almost done. The rest of the shaping will happen after it is installed.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/stemandtransom016.jpg

Transom assembly. Not quite done but getting closer.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/stemandtransom023.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/stemandtransom024.jpg

ben2go

01-11-2009, 11:38 PM

Good work.I am actually learning alot.I just gotta master than darn plane.

banjoman

01-12-2009, 12:44 AM

Ben2go,
Thanks for the input!
I have by no means mastered any hand tool...let alone the plane. I have invested a lot of time lately practicing sharpening things using the glass/sandpaper method (to 2000 grit) and finishing with a 6000 waterstone. Banjowoman also bought me the Veritas sharpening jig (clamp on a roller gizmo) for my birthday. That thing helps a lot. I can now say that I get an edge I could shave with consistantly. Aside from sharp blades the only thing I can tell you about handplanes is make fine adjustments. There is a small difference between a nice slice and tearing out a huge chunk. Read the stuff Bob Smalser has written and posted.
Oh....and only take pictures when things are going well.;):p

ion barnes

01-12-2009, 01:30 AM

ben2go

01-13-2009, 06:54 AM

banjoman

01-18-2009, 10:50 PM

This weekend's adventures.

I brought out the old brew kettle to boil some water figuring it will help me get the transom assembly in place.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/stemandtransom026.jpg

Wrapped in towels for a while and then clamped in place.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/stemandtransom028.jpg

Glued in place after they had a chance to dry out.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/stemandtransom033.jpg

As she sits.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/stemandtransom034.jpg

Next will be to use the towel method on the stem and then start in on the rest of the stringers.

banjoman

01-26-2009, 09:47 PM

She is officially naked of her original parts. Some old ones will be replaced but as of Sunday evening, nothing of the original boat is attached.

The "ghostly" shot....
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/naked015.jpg

Bow chines in place.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/naked003.jpg

Transom work
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/naked001.jpg

Profile
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/naked004.jpg

ILikeRust

02-12-2009, 03:06 PM

Robert L E

02-12-2009, 09:38 PM

I was thinking the same thing. My granddad used to talk about his favorite hammer, he replaced the handle 10 times and the head twice.

Love this thread.

Bob

pcford

02-12-2009, 09:57 PM

Wow. Just wow.

Reminds me of the old story:

"This is my great-granddaddy's hatchet. The same one he used, my granddaddy used, my daddy used, and now I have it. The handle rotted out and I had to replace it, but other than that, it's the same hatchet. The head got dull and rusted, so I replaced that, but other than that, this is my great-grandaddy's hatchet."

Nice work!

Long, long ago in graduate school (we've all done things we are ashamed of.) I recall a discussion in a philosophy class of the problem of identity. This very story was used to illustrate it.

Woxbox

02-12-2009, 10:33 PM

Oh, come on now. Every cell in your body gets replaced repeatedly over the course of a lifetime. Are you still you?

banjoman

02-12-2009, 10:43 PM

Maybe a new name in the works instead of "Doeling". "Grandfather's Hatchet" has a nice ring to it.

Getting close to putting some skin on. A little more fairing to be done.

Thanks for the bump!

Thorne

02-12-2009, 10:45 PM

Looking good!

ModH-28

02-12-2009, 10:51 PM

Grandfather---hmmmmm

BarnacleGrim

02-12-2009, 11:14 PM

Nice work! Are you keeping anything from the original at all, or is it a veritable ship of Theseus you have there?

banjoman

02-12-2009, 11:33 PM

Grandfather---hmmmmm

Now you be quiet!!!!:D:D:D:D

FYI for everyone else-ModH-28 is my dad. He happens to be looking for grand kids. He forgets he has an older son who could be making said grand kids.:p

banjoman

02-12-2009, 11:34 PM

Nice work! Are you keeping anything from the original at all, or is it a veritable ship of Theseus you have there?

None of the hull. The mast, rudder, thwarts, and a few other small parts will be original.

pcford

02-12-2009, 11:37 PM

Oh, come on now. Every cell in your body gets replaced repeatedly over the course of a lifetime. Are you still you?

just that simple, huh?

well, maybe not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

Woxbox

02-13-2009, 07:59 AM

just that simple, huh?

It has to be. Things are what people think and say they are, which is a semantic, not a philosophical point of view.

Otherwise you just confuse the obvious. Are we looking at the same web page? Can't be, you might argue, mine is on my computer and yours is on your computer. Must be two different pages. I'll bet the exact colors and shape are different, too.

But let's not hijack this fine thread. The Constitution herself has barely a stick of original wood in her. Are you going to suggest that's not the Constitution after all?

Thorne

02-13-2009, 08:17 AM

Mike, tell your Dad "Hi" from me - and that you are too busy boatbuilding and restoring to do the whole kid thing right now.

If he really gets to missing grandkids, I'll bring my grandkids over for a diaper change or two...

pcford

02-13-2009, 12:28 PM

It has to be. Things are what people think and say they are, which is a semantic, not a philosophical point of view.

This question has been knocked around in philosophy for literally millennia. And it took you to solve it.

Or did you?

Woxbox

02-13-2009, 08:06 PM

There are no solutions, just points of view. I've got mine and I'm sticking to it.

Thorne

02-13-2009, 11:02 PM

Let's not hijack this nice thread to beat that particular expired equine any further -- lots of previous threads on that if you guys wanna continue...

Me, I'm looking forward to seeing Mike's new dory launched sometime this spring (right, Mike?) -- should be a blast!

Thorne

02-14-2009, 10:23 AM

Mike is restoring a rotted dory the right way. Here's a link to a similar East Bay boat partially restored the other way...cheap! (grin)

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/1034121804.html

banjoman

02-14-2009, 12:34 PM

Yes. SOMETIME this spring.
If only it would warm up a bit. It has been too cold to spend much time in the garage.

Yea. I am a chicken.

Almost ready to start putting the skin on.

banjoman

02-17-2009, 01:38 AM

Here she is. Some fairing, glue, and cleanup and she will be ready for skin.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/naked025.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/naked027.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/naked026.jpg

Thorne

02-17-2009, 07:46 AM

Sweet! What grade and thickness of ply will you end up going with for the strakes and bottom?

banjoman

02-17-2009, 11:12 AM

The whole thing was 1/4. Strakes are going to stay that way but I am leaning towards going up to 3/8 for the bottom.

cm2ncfsu2

02-23-2009, 09:33 PM

Come on Banjoman. We need an update. Just because you have a life doesn't mean the rest of us do.

Kidding aside, this is one of my favorite threads ever. I have really enjoyed watching as this boat has be "destructed" and then "reconstructed". Keep up the good work.

I also really liked the part about it perhaps being the boat Michael rowed ashore and then he crapped out. Nearly spit my beverage all over the monitor.

Thank you!!!

banjoman

02-23-2009, 10:06 PM

Michael rowed ashore and then he crapped out.

That quote belongs to my dad (Mod-H28):D:D

Getting close to putting some skin on.....and a heck of a lot of boat nails. Some of you folks may wish to invest in bronze nail makers before I get started.:p

banjoman

02-23-2009, 10:14 PM

Running out of beer? I see a couple more dead ones. Nothing shabby about your woodworking either, a restoration is nothing more or less than a kit boat w/o plans. You know where and how the parts go together. Did you make any drawings as you have progressed? You could hawk the plans to the rest of us and as a record of the past.
I don't know how I missed this post. No. I did not make any drawings of the original. I can say that the new one is within 1 /2 inch of the old one. 17.5 feet long and 4.5 feet wide. I have more exact measurements but they are out in the garage and it is late and raining and I am tired. :o

Will post em soon.

JC 72

02-24-2009, 11:26 AM

Thorne

02-24-2009, 01:15 PM

Mike, let me know when you get to the easy stuff, so I can drop by and claim to have helped...

;0 )

JC 72

02-24-2009, 03:24 PM

Me Too...I'll bring beer

banjoman

02-24-2009, 11:13 PM

Mike, let me know when you get to the easy stuff, so I can drop by and claim to have helped...

;0 )

Will do. I'm thinking nails in the skin or varnish may be right up your alley.:D:p

banjoman

02-24-2009, 11:15 PM

Great progress Banjo. Looking forward to seeing her floating. I think a bottom of 1/2 inch would not be unreasonable around hear. I think it would put your weight and protection where you need it. Thorne has a sacrificial board bottom screwed and bedded to his dory skiff. His is traditional plank DF. Our rocky beaches can be brutal. She looks beautiful. John

I had not thought of going all the way to 1/2 as the bottom was 1/4. There is a sacrificial board that runs the length of the bottom to absorb most of the impact.

I'll need two sheets for the bottom so the cost difference is negligible. I'll have to look into the weight though.

banjoman

02-24-2009, 11:16 PM

Me Too...I'll bring beer

Now your talkin' my language.:D

Yeadon

02-24-2009, 11:31 PM

02-25-2009, 01:54 AM

There is just something about rebuilding a boat as opposed to a fresh new build.

The way I see it, Banjoman is you have used the original boat as both pattern and jig to build a replica. I consider that to be quite smart...keep at it.

Canoeyawl

02-25-2009, 10:10 AM

It's a good idea to have a little help when you fasten the bottom. It takes a bit of time and the glue is threatening to "kick" before you get halfway through it...

ModH-28

02-26-2009, 06:40 PM

Wise to be thinking about half inch bottom. A few more pounds lower in the hull can't hurt I would think.

banjoman

02-26-2009, 11:43 PM

Wise to be thinking about half inch bottom. A few more pounds lower in the hull can't hurt I would think.

Hey! It is my fat arse that has to move this thing around when it is OUT of the water!:D:p

pcford

02-27-2009, 12:07 AM

Still moving along, I see.

Also, I enjoyed the conversation about identity. It rings true about this boat. Restoring a boat, at least for a daydreaming amateur, is much more than just fabricating parts and adding fasteners. There is a definite rhythm to the experience.

Nice work, banjoman.

I did a 1946 Chris Custom...a fairly rare boat...about 85% was new wood. That might serve as a cautionary tale. Fifteen or twenty years ago restorers would as a matter of course replace all the planking and decks. These days there is more stress on having original members.

In the case of the dory...it had to be literally rebuilt of course.

banjoman

03-26-2009, 11:03 PM

Shameless bump.

Some skin has been applied.

Pics tomorrow afternoon.

Don't want you folks to think I am too lazy......just lazy about posting updates.

Yeadon

03-27-2009, 12:34 AM

Outrageous.

Make it up to us with some new photos, eh?

Eric Hvalsoe

03-28-2009, 11:50 AM

Great story, great job. I think she'll be a showboat. Are those drips of Weldwood plastic resin glue I see?

tapsnap

03-28-2009, 04:07 PM

This thread reminds me of all the old guitars I have fixed up in my time. There's a strange allure to those old relics. They used to be just irresistible to me. Many a time I have been drawn to a guitar and pictured them restored, sounding great and yet having all that great character and charm that you just don't get with a new one. What you have done to your boat, I have done to a couple of old relic guitars - barely any wood was original in the end. All I can say is I learned a lot. Someone in a guitar shop once told me, "At a certain point guitars die - at that point they should be left to rest in peace"

banjoman

03-28-2009, 07:14 PM

Thanks for the comments...somebody is reading.

This boat was dead.....we had to unearth some of the parts when we picked her up. Maybe instead of "Doeling" I should go with "Zombie".:D

The long overdue update. I got a little sick of working with plywood so decided to start up on the centerboard trunk. There was a lot of rot but I was able to salvage some of the wood.

The old one
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/dory001.jpg

Cutting some parts.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/dory006.jpg

One assembly glued up. The top pieces were salvaged...hence the screw holes. We will call that "charm".:rolleyes:
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/dory008.jpg

All the pieces short of the plywood sides...
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/dory009.jpg

banjoman

03-28-2009, 07:15 PM

Ply going on...
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/dory015.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/dory016.jpg

As she sits..
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/dory005.jpg

That funny shape of the bottom is because one of the planks is not yet trimmed in this pic.....

ben2go

03-28-2009, 10:45 PM

Glad to hear you're still working on her.I been wondering what had happened,but I figure life calls.

JC 72

03-29-2009, 12:04 AM

Lookin good Banjo. You'll have her done soon. What thickness ply did you end up going with? John

banjoman

03-29-2009, 01:03 AM

Life calls and I am a California weather wimp. Below 55 degrees and I don't go to the garage.:D

The sides are 1/4 inch ply. That is what was used for the whole thing originally. I think I am going to go to 3/8 for the bottom for piece of mind.

I can see me brother (Afruera) or my dad (Mod H28) ramming this thing on the rocks and poking a hole in the bottom and then blaming me for shotty construction.:p:p:p:D

The way this thing was built, the ply will go on pretty quick once I get in a groove. There will be battens that will cover most of the nail heads shown.

BBSebens

03-31-2009, 08:26 AM

One assembly glued up. The top pieces were salvaged...hence the screw holes. We will call that "charm".:rolleyes:
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z98/brewmastermsu/Aeolus%20Dory%20Rebuild/dory008.jpg

in home construction, thats called character. :D people usually pay more for that!
:p

banjoman

03-31-2009, 11:52 PM

in home construction, thats called character. :D people usually pay more for that!
:p

Cool. The selling price for this thing when finished just went from 15 to 20 bucks!:p

Larks

04-01-2009, 01:54 AM

Looking good B'Man, ‘really enjoying this thread and watching progress. Just had a bit of a trawl back through it to remind myself how she looked at the start. A couple of things that I found interesting - one was the reminder of Christmas with that shot on 29 Dec with the Christmas lights outside - a good photo for posterity, the other - how well your moaning chair manages to migrate itself back to a position in front of the fridge.

Also re the name and the story about Grandfathers hatchet. Over here it's the same story but about grandfathers axe (here a hatchet is a small axe). Anyway, the shape of the dory just seems to me to lend itself to a name like “Axe”.

ModH-28

04-02-2009, 11:36 PM

I'm still reading and enjoying it, keep up the good work!!!

Old Lure Collector

07-12-2009, 04:50 AM

I sure hope this thread hasn't "died". I sure would like to see a picture of this vessel in the water!

banjoman

07-12-2009, 11:13 AM

Hasn't died.
Don't worry.

Nice weather=boat time goes to Starduster
Bad weather=boat time goes to dory

When the Northern California weather turns back to cold gloom, I'll go back to the garage.:D

Scot L T

07-12-2009, 11:57 AM

Very interesting post! I too am looking forward to the launch photos.

I didn't notice but I could have missed it if this question has been already asked...How much of this boat is original material?

I'm impressed with your undertaking, for sure.

donald branscom

07-12-2009, 12:17 PM

What a great thread!

Great workmanship too!
I think it IS easier starting with something and using the old parts as patterns.

I have got to get one of those roll around chairs. WOW

cm2ncfsu2

02-07-2010, 10:40 PM

Well Banjoman, I live in Southern California and the weather's been pretty nasty recently. Have you had any time with the project? Inquiring Minds want to know :-)

banjoman

02-07-2010, 11:33 PM

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! People are watching!:eek:

She sits in the garage...as she was.

Nothing new to report other than I sold the treadmill that was taking up a large chunk of real estate in the boat barn.

3-4 more weekends is all she needs if I could only get the garage cleaned up enough to find the boat.:cool:

The good news is Starduster is still floating after all the rain.

ben2go

02-07-2010, 11:37 PM

I been checking in but saw nothing new.Hope winter has been better for you out there than here in upstate SC.We been getting snow,ice,heavy rains,floods,and land/rock slides.Quite a few people around my area have lost their lives because of this crazy weather.I haven't ever seen such craziness as this weather.

banjoman

02-07-2010, 11:42 PM

We have had more rain/wind than in many years past. Nothing new to report about the dory. Motivation has not come back for the her after a great summer with Starduster.

Hope it comes in the next month or so or the dory will sit for another year while Starduster gets all the attention.

skuthorp

02-26-2010, 06:02 AM

Bump, any advance on this crafts future banjoman? I was poking about looking fofr something else and thought this worth revisiting.

David Winnett

02-26-2010, 02:30 PM

great looking boat and beautiful work on your part, you actually found this in a vineyard, the only thing i ever find in my vineyard are weeds and rocks, and oh yea occasionally my brother visits the winery and i find him staggering through the vineyard at times