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Canoeyawl
11-10-2008, 10:43 PM
I am a little disappointed in the plywood criticisms lately.
Plywood boats fail in the same way that any wooden boat fails, from the builder not understanding the material or the use. If the craft, any craft, is slap dashed together then of course we will have failures.
Little things like fits and adhesives, proper bedding and fastening, limbers, and most importantly, good ventilation will be the demise of any boat. Many amateurs, and some professionals, have built boats not knowing or understanding the reasoning for these details or even knowing they exist (this makes a case for apprenticeship programs) and ignored them as silly tradition or from just plain ignorance using the excuse “workboat finish” but the same skills are required to build a good boat whether it is solid wood or plywood. If the criticism is aimed at the material it is much like the worker blaming his tools for a poor job. It is all wood. There are some different engineering properties between plywood and solid wood but the principles are the same, understanding the strengths and limits to your materials are everything. Craftsmanship is the thing.

Those that dismiss good marine plywood, as “too expensive” may not recognize that the materials cost of a boat are a small fraction of the end cost. And those that can’t repair it are simply incompetent workers.
Now, my plywood boat maybe only marginally suitable as a sh!t bucket but I’m betting it will outlive all of us by a long shot. And it will be a lovely lucky thing while it lives.
End Rant

Thorne
11-11-2008, 09:13 AM
I suspect that much of the "plywood vs solid wood" exchanges are comparable to "CPES vs Epoxy", "PL Premium vs Epoxy", "Sail vs Power", and "Christian vs Moslem" controversies --- not really anything that can be proven one way or the other but good for getting folks at each other's throats.

I'll admit that I don't even read most of the contentious threads, as they just seem to be folks re-stating their positions / opinions over and over and over again. In my perspective there is WAY TOO MUCH TROLLING on this Forum.

I do agree, however, that for smaller boats, solid wood should be considered as a building material. Not that it should be used in all or even most cases -- just that it should be considered.

So much of modern boatbuilding focuses on ply that it is good to get a perspective. The decision will probably be to use ply -- any 'exit poll' of new boats being built will certainly show this fact.

PS - anytime you get tired of your "sh!t bucket" you can drop her off in my neighborhood... (grin)
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Daniel Noyes
11-11-2008, 09:20 AM
Got to agree that there is alot of peer pressure pushing beginner builders into ply, just the fact that plywood is a new invention makes newbies think "well it's got to be better" doing rehabs when appropriate traditional material and ply are used together it is almost always the ply that fails first.
chime in on the rotten ply thread if you want I think 2 threads is one too many.
dan
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Mad Scientist
11-12-2008, 11:53 AM
A lot of stuff in that 'other' plywood thread belongs in the Bilge, IMHO.
FWIW, I have almost everything I need to start building Stambaugh's Sailing Skiff 15 (plywood), but construction has been delayed due to an urgent requirement to rebuild my bathroom (waterlogged drywall, fortunately got to it before the joists had a chance to rot).
I've been reading "Pete Culler on Wooden Boats", and I can see myself building a 'quick and dirty' boat from lumberyard wood, with a cheap little 'industrial' diesel, in a few years.
Plywood or solid wood, any boat of mine will have a 'workboat' finish, because my temprament is not conducive to spending 40 hours a week varnishing a yacht. I'll leave that to others, and admire their beautiful results.

Tom

Ray Frechette Jr
11-12-2008, 06:29 PM
doing rehabs, when appropriate traditional material and ply are used together it is almost always the ply that fails first.

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Ply works best when used in a design that is designed for the use of Plywood. To try to force plywood to be used in a matter not taking it's specifica qualties in view is not a good use of the material.

J. Dillon
11-12-2008, 07:47 PM
So what's wrong with using plywood for a boat. A lot depends on what ya do with the rest of the boat to make her look good. ;) Here's Carrianne age 14.

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