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ishmael
10-29-2008, 09:59 PM
When I asked about the accusations that she's a fundamentalist troglodyte I got pretty vague answers. She may or may not have engaged in a bit of hyperbole around geologic history. I'm just curious, what are her deficits?

Chris Coose
10-29-2008, 10:03 PM
deficits?
Holy jumped up bearded Jesus!

As Joe Biden said," You're kidding, right?"
"Who's writing your questions?"

Shang
10-29-2008, 10:04 PM
To quote Joe Biden, "Are you joking...?"

Duncan Gibbs
10-29-2008, 10:05 PM
Jack's eyes are wide shut!! :rolleyes:

Shang
10-29-2008, 10:06 PM
"I mean you set yourself up just to continually be mocked, you know so sometimes that doesn’t do any good, but what I have done in this campaign is in reaching out to the American voters through our rallies, through the one on ones, through the small meetings that we’ve had trying to get our message out, our plans for this country out there minus the filter of some of the filter of the mainstream media because, because that filter as, as we see every day when we turn on the news too often there is this, this opaqueness, there is this, this spin, this contortion of a person’s words and intentions and that does more harm than good, so it’s a greater challenge for me and for John McCain to try to get our message out there without that filter of I think some of the world’s media."

RodB
10-29-2008, 10:09 PM
Shes a self made woman, no rich family or connections. She has achieved all on her own with spunk, drive and determination. Shes accomplished a hell of a lot more than Obama. The left wing press has beat the hell out of her mainly due to fear... fear of the very strong response she has generated in the country.

r

Shang
10-29-2008, 10:10 PM
"Looking at you I bet people are thinking they’re going to be interested in Jesus Christ through you because of the way you look: this red-headed Sasquatch for Jesus!"

- Sarah Palin, June 8 2008

Shang
10-29-2008, 10:11 PM
"I think God’s will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that."

– Sarah Palin, June 8 2008

Shang
10-29-2008, 10:14 PM
September, 2008

Katie Couric: What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?

Sarah Palin: Mmmmm…

[Pause]

Well, let’s see. There’s…

[Pause, sigh]

Of course in the great history of America there have been rulings, that, um, there’s never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but …

[Pause]

Couric: Can you think of any?

Palin: Well, I could think of, of, any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level, maybe I would take issue with? But, you know, um, as, as a mayor, and then as a governor and even as a vice president, if I’m so privileged to serve, wouldn’t be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as, as it reads today.

Duncan Gibbs
10-29-2008, 10:15 PM
Shes accomplished a hell of a lot more than Obama.

Namely?

ishmael
10-29-2008, 10:16 PM
I just wanted to hear about her deficits, of both character and policy positions. Typically, it gets a rather unthoughtful reaction by some.

What, specifically, documented, don't you like about this woman? I know it's difficult to set aside your mommy complexes and really look.

Shang
10-29-2008, 10:16 PM
“I am so sorry I’m such a weasel.” — Sarah Palin, October 8 2000

Duncan Gibbs
10-29-2008, 10:17 PM
Jack, are you reading what Shang is posting?

Memphis Mike
10-29-2008, 10:20 PM
"I mean you set yourself up just to continually be mocked, you know so sometimes that doesn’t do any good, but what I have done in this campaign is in reaching out to the American voters through our rallies, through the one on ones, through the small meetings that we’ve had trying to get our message out, our plans for this country out there minus the filter of some of the filter of the mainstream media because, because that filter as, as we see every day when we turn on the news too often there is this, this opaqueness, there is this, this spin, this contortion of a person’s words and intentions and that does more harm than good, so it’s a greater challenge for me and for John McCain to try to get our message out there without that filter of I think some of the world’s media."

She's the Oyster in drag. I knew it from the start.

Shang
10-29-2008, 10:22 PM
I just wanted to hear about her deficits, of both character and policy positions. Typically, it gets a rather unthoughtful reaction by some.

What, specifically, documented, don't you like about this woman? I know it's difficult to set aside your mommy complexes and really look.

Jack...
,,,With respect...
...Palin may be the least intelligent person ever to stand for political office. That alone disqualifies her for consideration.

Government is a serious issue, we have an obligation to prevent stupid people from occupying power positions.

Shang
10-29-2008, 10:24 PM
Charles Gibson: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks does the proximity of the state give you?

Sarah Palin: [Pause] They’re our next door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

Charles Gibson: What insight does that give you into what they’re doing in Georgia?

Sarah Palin: Well, I’m giving you that perspective into how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relations with all of these countries, especially Russia.

BrianW
10-29-2008, 10:24 PM
Ish,

It's not worth your time asking that here. You won't have time to separate the hyperbole from the facts before November 4th.

RodB
10-29-2008, 10:26 PM
Namely?

Mayor of a small town in Alaska, Governor of Alaska which involved getting rid of the corrupt guy in office, changing the rules for the oil companies in Alaska so the the people in Alaska came out winners...

Just for starters...

R

Duncan Gibbs
10-29-2008, 10:28 PM
Brian, what about seperating the dross that eminates from Sarah's mouth from 1). real actual policy and 2). educated views on real and urgent issues? Would that be a tall order??

ishmael
10-29-2008, 10:34 PM
"It's not worth your time asking that here."

Probably so, but I soldier on.;)

I don't think the characterization of her as either an empty "Barbie Doll" or as a wicked Valkarie is accurate.

She's obviously callow, has stepped up into the national arena without much training. But I think many of the characterizations of her are unfair.

Shang
10-29-2008, 10:37 PM
Shes a self made woman, no rich family or connections. She has achieved all on her own with spunk, drive and determination. Shes accomplished a hell of a lot more than Obama. The left wing press has beat the hell out of her mainly due to fear... fear of the very strong response she has generated in the country.

r

Horseradish...!
She's a self-congratulating small town beauty pageant contestant, whose only political experience is as the mayor of a micro-small town in a backwater. She became governor of a state with less population than Manhattan Island by defeating her predecessor who was facing criminal charges--he could have been beaten by Tickle Me Elmo.
Now after less than two years in that office she was tapped by McCain as the Token Woman for McCain's campaign.
Her own words are testimony to her lack of intellectual qualifications for office. Any office.

Honest to gawd, how can any thinking person endorse Sarah Palin for anything?
Equally to the point, how can any thinking person endorse John McCain for choosing her...?

PatCox
10-29-2008, 10:40 PM
Her policy deficits are, in the words of some of McCain's campaign staff, that she knows nothing about domestic or international affairs.

On top of that, she is a political retard, she screws over those who support her and just grabs at every opportunity for advancement. It would take pages to explain this, but trust me, you will see it, public popularity works in high school elections, but to be a political player in national politics you have to be able to build networks of support among established political networks. She will never be able to do it. She has already got a reputation as a backstabber who will screw over her benefactors and she is doing it to McCain already. Thats poison.

And she is a moron. We've now had almost 8 years of moron with balls, why in the world would think a woman with "moxie," apparently the female equivalent of "balls" would be something good.

Hey, I am voting for the guy with judgment and brains. Wow, what a crazy idea.

Shang
10-29-2008, 10:40 PM
"...She's obviously callow, has stepped up into the national arena without much training. But I think many of the characterizations of her are unfair."

Jack......................................
This is a presidential election.
It is important.
Being polite to a bubble head who is a heartbeat from a 72-year old cancer surviver is irrelevant.

Memphis Mike
10-29-2008, 10:42 PM
This is just another one of Heinlen's attention getting troll posts. It's really not worth the time and effort. If he doesn't understand why this woman is no good for our country then let him figure it out for himself. My guess is he never will.

Shang
10-29-2008, 10:47 PM
By the way,
Just for the record...
I would have voted for Hillary if she had been nominated. I kinda like the idea of a woman president.
And, surprisingly enough...
I have come to like McCain more than I would have supposed in the beginning.
I wouldn't mind having a beer with John.
But under no circumstances would I vote for him for president.

Shang
10-29-2008, 10:52 PM
"...Well, I think because I’m a Washington outsider that, uh, that opponents are going to be looking for a whole lot of things that they can criticize and they can kinda try to beat the candidate here, who chose me as his partner, to, um, to kind of tear down the ticket. But as for foreign policy, you know, I think that I am prepared and I know that on January 20th if we are so blessed as to be sworn into office as your President and Vice President, certainly we’ll be ready. I’ll be ready. I have that confidence. I have that readiness. And if you want specifics, specific policy or countries, go ahead and you can ask me. You can even play “Stump the Candidate” if you want to. But we are ready to serve."

Sarah Palin, Sept. 17, 2008

PatCox
10-29-2008, 10:52 PM
Ish, you ever heard of a "cult of personality?" You know the difference between identifying with someone because they make you feel good, and exercising real open-eyed judgment? She is an embarrassment, hell, she, more than anything, is the reason McCain is gonna lose. Do you really believe, just for one example, that she knows anything at all about energy policy? She went to a factory today where they make solar-electric cells, a startup company thats an example of how we can wean ourselves from a carbon economy, and what did she say? "Drill baby drill." Political retard.

Not to mention she is the only real socialist in america. She is the governor of the only state that retains ownership of its most valuable resource, its oil deposits (State ownership of a major industry, thats communism) and makes the oil companies pay the state to extract that commodity, then distributes the proceeds to the people. Its actually the single most socialist institution in the US.

Ish, you really are a flake, you know that?

Ish, when every single human being you interact with tells you that you are nuts, does it ever, ever enter your mind, that perhaps they have something of a point, and that your conviction of your mavericky-lone wolf theroux- like genius might be misplaced? There have been rare geniuses in the history of the world who bucked universal opposition and were later proven correct, but do you really think you are one of those?

RodB
10-29-2008, 10:58 PM
Horseradish...!
She's a self-congratulating small town beauty pageant contestant, whose only political experience is as the mayor of a micro-small town in a backwater. She became governor of a state with less population than Manhattan Island by defeating her predecessor who was facing criminal charges--he could have been beaten by Tickle Me Elmo.
Now after less than two years in that office she was tapped by McCain as the Token Woman for McCain's campaign.
Her own words are testimony to her lack of intellectual qualifications for office. Any office.

Honest to gawd, how can any thinking person endorse Sarah Palin for anything?
Equally to the point, how can any thinking person endorse John McCain for choosing her...?

How can a thinking person vote for Obama...who has so damn many questionable associations... he would not even have won the primary without the majority of the press as his campaign PR staff...hiding or omitting any questionable stories that may affect Obama negatively. Obama never comes clean about any serious question, especially concerning past associations and his real views... how can you trust him?

This election is about the best of two not so great choices... but McCain is by far the better choice.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings...


RB

Memphis Mike
10-29-2008, 11:02 PM
"Ish, when every single human being you interact with tells you that you are nuts, does it ever, ever enter your mind, that perhaps they have something of a point, and that your conviction of your mavericky-lone wolf theroux- like genius might be misplaced? There have been rare geniuses in the history of the world who bucked universal opposition and were later proven correct, but do you really think you are one of those?"

Some go on to the bitter end and some think that it's somehow noble. That's the quandry with this one and one I surely can't figure out.

ishmael
10-29-2008, 11:11 PM
"Ish, when every single human being you interact with tells you that you are nuts, does it ever, ever enter your mind, that perhaps they have something of a point,"

Is that, perhaps, how you see yourself, Pat? The few people I genuinely interact with see me differently than that. They actually know me. They know that as screwy as I can be at times they can trust me to do what I say I'm going to do. In the end, that's all you have, your honor and your bond. I don't have any major lapses in those two areas for my entire adult life.

Have I told white lies occasionally, to smooth things over, sure. Who hasn't? But nothing important.

BrianW
10-29-2008, 11:22 PM
Brian, what about seperating the dross that eminates from Sarah's mouth...

When ya start like that, it's already too late.

LeeG
10-29-2008, 11:23 PM
Jack, she's a 44yr old mother of five kids, she is anything but "callow". You have all the resources to judge her positives and negatives, your questions aren't for seeking answers, it's to masturbate with questions.

BrianW
10-29-2008, 11:29 PM
Ish,

Where do you suppose someone comes up with so many quotes from Palin? Did they book mark many webpages of past speeches and research them all to find the answer to your question? Or, did they Goggle up a website full of Palin quotes which are designed to cast a negative light on her?

ishmael
10-30-2008, 12:00 AM
Hi, Brian.

I dunno. Misreprestentation of my little self here has taught me a great deal about the mob mind. People don't want reality, they want their buzz.

Vince Brennan
10-30-2008, 12:05 AM
Congratulations, Jackie, boy! Another sterling troll.

(And, so many caught in the net! You should be proud.)

epoxyboy
10-30-2008, 01:07 AM
She's obviously a "team player"!!!!

The infighting within the McCain campaign has become increasingly public, with growing frustration directed at Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK). Last week, CNN reported that one McCain source called Palin “a diva” who “takes no advice from anyone.” Politico’s Mike Allen reports another McCain adviser’s criticism of Palin:

***In convo with Playbook, a top McCain adviser one-ups the priceless “diva” description, calling her “a whack job.”

Asked to respond to reports that she is “going rogue,” Palin declared them “absolutely, 100 percent false,” adding, “John McCain and I, and our camps, are working together to get John McCain elected.” MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow noted Palin’s word choice: “Your camps, plural? A McCain camp and a Palin camp? That does not sound good.”

Duncan Gibbs
10-30-2008, 01:17 AM
When ya start like that, it's already too late.

Brian, did you read the verbatum quotes that Shang posted? Are you trying to tell me that they are anything BUT dross? Geeez mate! Even in our own little neck of the woods here if a pollie got caught out with that kind of verbal diarrhea that would mean their political career was kaput. Contrast this with Obama who not only speaks in whole and articulated sentences but has written several books, graduated from Harvard Law school and won a senatorial seat from a base in one of the most populus cities in the US, a set of accomplishments that Little Miss 'Moxie' could never hope to emulate. (Are you reading this Rod??)

Here's a variation on Palin! (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww):D;):p

Nicholas Scheuer
10-30-2008, 05:17 AM
Could it be that our friend Ishmael is so infatuated by Palin's physical attrributes that he simply "has no eyes" with which to see the obvious?

Personally, I think Palin would be pretty average-looking, were it not for the great gobs of eye shadow and lipstick she smears on every morning.

Then again, I very well might not even notice the eye shadow, if anything even remotely resembling an intelligent thought ever escaped Palin's mouth.

Remember Golda Mier?

Remember Eleanor Rooseveldt?

Remember Margaret Thatcher?

Moby Nick

Chris Coose
10-30-2008, 07:08 AM
"It's She's obviously callow, has stepped up into the national arena without much training. .

You want your world leader to be trained?

We just got done with one of them.
Public Enemy #1 is at large.
5 trillion further in debt.
2 unresolved botched wars.
Exxon posts profits that are incomprehensible.
Wall street as less authority than Main St. in Atlantic City.
The middle class is screwed

And you want you leaders to be trained?
Jesus Christ Jack.

Popeye
10-30-2008, 07:15 AM
fred flintstone , a man well beyond his time...

just curious

Dave Davis
10-30-2008, 07:25 AM
"But ultimately what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy." --Sarah Palin, explaining the $700 billion government bailout of Wall Street to Karie Couric, CBS News interview, Sept. 24, 200

Joe (SoCal)
10-30-2008, 07:26 AM
Shes a self made woman, no rich family or connections. She has achieved all on her own with spunk, drive and determination. Shes accomplished a hell of a lot more than Obama. The left wing press has beat the hell out of her mainly due to fear... fear of the very strong response she has generated in the country.

r

Obama;
he's a self made man, no rich family or connections. he has achieved all on his own with spunk, drive and determination. he's accomplished a hell of a lot more than Pailin. Obama is the first African American to be nominated by a major American political party for president. A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he served as president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama worked as a community organizer and practiced as a civil rights attorney before serving three terms in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. He taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. Following an unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2000, he announced his campaign for the U.S. Senate in January 2003. After a primary victory in March 2004, Obama delivered the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in July 2004. He was elected to the Senate in November 2004 with 70 percent of the vote.


as opposed to Palin :
Palin attended Wasilla High School in Wasilla, located 44 miles (71 km) north of Anchorage.[10] She was the head of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes chapter at the school and the point guard and captain of the school's girls' basketball team.[11]
Palin attended four colleges and universities before graduating with a degree in Communications/Journalism from the University of Idaho in 1987.[12] In 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College but left after her first semester. She transferred to North Idaho community college, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major. From there, she transferred to the University of Idaho for two semesters.During this time Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant, then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant, at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award. Diane Osborne, Palin's hairdresser during the pageants, recalls her as "so soft-spoken, so unobtrusive, so agreeable as to seem void of the urgent quest for attention that Osborne had recognized in others." After the pageants, Palin attended the Matanuska-Susitna community college in Alaska for one term. The next year she returned to the University of Idaho where she spent three semesters completing her Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, graduating in 1987.


The left wing press has beat the hell out of her mainly due to fear... fear of the very strong response she has generated in the country.

If that resume comparison wins then I do FEAR for this country.

Rigadog
10-30-2008, 07:59 AM
Shes a self made woman, no rich family or connections. She has achieved all on her own with spunk, drive and determination. Shes accomplished a hell of a lot more than Obama. The left wing press has beat the hell out of her mainly due to fear... fear of the very strong response she has generated in the country.

r
Could it be because she's an unqualified, scheming no-nothing with huevos giantos? Yes the mainstream press fears her because of the response she has generated (like revving up the racist mobs at her rallies?). Or is it because, lame as they are, they can't imagine giving her access to the "Nucular" launch codes. Bottom line is that most don't buy her phony populism. McCain erred greatly in choosing her. He would have been better off with someone like Lincoln Chaffee. If he had pulled his party to the center instead of letting it pull him to the right, we might have a closer race. (thank God he didn't).

Dan McCosh
10-30-2008, 08:06 AM
Obama;
he's a self made man, no rich family or connections. he has achieved all on his own with spunk, drive and determination. he's accomplished a hell of a lot more than Pailin. Obama is the first African American to be nominated by a major American political party for president. A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he served as president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama worked as a community organizer and practiced as a civil rights attorney before serving three terms in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. He taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. Following an unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2000, he announced his campaign for the U.S. Senate in January 2003. After a primary victory in March 2004, Obama delivered the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in July 2004. He was elected to the Senate in November 2004 with 70 percent of the vote.


as opposed to Palin :
Palin attended Wasilla High School in Wasilla, located 44 miles (71 km) north of Anchorage.[10] She was the head of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes chapter at the school and the point guard and captain of the school's girls' basketball team.[11]
Palin attended four colleges and universities before graduating with a degree in Communications/Journalism from the University of Idaho in 1987.[12] In 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College but left after her first semester. She transferred to North Idaho community college, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major. From there, she transferred to the University of Idaho for two semesters.During this time Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant, then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant, at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award. Diane Osborne, Palin's hairdresser during the pageants, recalls her as "so soft-spoken, so unobtrusive, so agreeable as to seem void of the urgent quest for attention that Osborne had recognized in others." After the pageants, Palin attended the Matanuska-Susitna community college in Alaska for one term. The next year she returned to the University of Idaho where she spent three semesters completing her Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, graduating in 1987.

.

If that resume comparison wins then I do FEAR for this country.


FWIW, both Obama and Biden clearly have achieved more academically than McClain/Palin. The problem is that none of the candidates have achieved much outside of politics. In terms of a quick rise to a high office, Palin wins.

botebum
10-30-2008, 08:12 AM
I'm not qualified to be VP/Pres. either. I also have enough sense to know it. Palin doesn't have enough sense to know it and what's even scarier is that McCain doesn't have enough sense to know she's not qualified either. So many other choices McCain could have made from a host of qualified men and women. A few minutes under a sycamore and he chooses a beauty queen with the political ability of a ... um ... beauty queen:rolleyes:
Jack, stick to the gun threads. Nobody cares how stupid you are there.

Doug

BrianW
10-30-2008, 08:19 AM
Jack, stick to the gun threads. Nobody cares how stupid you are there.

Doug

That's just plain rude.

Paul Girouard
10-30-2008, 08:28 AM
That's just plain rude.



One might even class it as snide, if one where "on the other side".

Obama's had plenty of "help" Joe , ever heard of Tony Rezko?


Having a hard time keeping track of the facts? Here are eight things to know:
1. They met in 1990. Obama was a student at Harvard Law School and got an unsolicited job offer from Rezko, then a low-income housing developer in Chicago. Obama turned it down.
2. Obama took a job in 1993 with a small Chicago law firm, Davis Miner Barnhill, that represents developers -- primarily not-for-profit groups -- building low-income housing with government funds.
3. One of the firm's not-for-profit clients -- the Woodlawn Preservation and Investment Corp., co-founded by Obama's then-boss Allison Davis -- was partners with Rezko's company in a 1995 deal to convert an abandoned nursing home at 61st and Drexel into low-income apartments. Altogether, Obama spent 32 hours on the project, according to the firm. Only five hours of that came after Rezko and WPIC became partners, the firm says. The rest of the future senator's time was helping WPIC strike the deal with Rezko. Rezko's company, Rezmar Corp., also partnered with the firm's clients in four later deals -- none of which involved Obama, according to the firm. In each deal, Rezmar "made the decisions for the joint venture," says William Miceli, an attorney with the firm.
4. In 1995, Obama began campaigning for a seat in the Illinois Senate. Among his earliest supporters: Rezko. Two Rezko companies donated a total of $2,000. Obama was elected in 1996 -- representing a district that included 11 of Rezko's 30 low-income housing projects.
5. Rezko's low-income housing empire began crumbling in 2001, when his company stopped making mortgage payments on the old nursing home that had been converted into apartments. The state foreclosed on the building -- which was in Obama's Illinois Senate district.
6. In 2003, Obama announced he was running for the U.S. Senate, and Rezko -- a member of his campaign finance committee -- held a lavish fund-raiser June 27, 2003, at his Wilmette mansion.
7. A few months after Obama became a U.S. senator, he and Rezko's wife, Rita, bought adjacent pieces of property from a doctor in Chicago's Kenwood neighborhood -- a deal that has dogged Obama the last two years. The doctor sold the mansion to Obama for $1.65 million -- $300,000 below the asking price. Rezko's wife paid full price -- $625,000 -- for the adjacent vacant lot. The deals closed in June 2005. Six months later, Obama paid Rezko's wife $104,500 for a strip of her land, so he could have a bigger yard. At the time, it had been widely reported that Tony Rezko was under federal investigation. Questioned later about the timing of the Rezko deal, Obama called it "boneheaded" because people might think the Rezkos had done him a favor.
8. Eight months later -- in October 2006 -- Rezko was indicted on charges he solicited kickbacks from companies seeking state pension business under his friend Gov. Blagojevich. Federal prosecutors maintain that $10,000 from the alleged kickback scheme was donated to Obama's run for the U.S. Senate. Obama has given the money to charity.



Linky poo: http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/757340,CST-NWS-watchdog24.article


But I'm prettys sure this will be either wrote off as a C&P "snide post" , or just Poo pooed for some other reason.

Yup, self made man , sure :rolleyes:

botebum
10-30-2008, 08:29 AM
That's just plain rude.
Ayup.

I get sick of people that want to ignore the facts layed out before them about her lack of qualifications and think it's ok to vote for her because "she's a pip".

Doug

LeeG
10-30-2008, 08:30 AM
and a callow pip to boot!

BrianW
10-30-2008, 08:39 AM
Not everyone agrees with the qualification standard set here.

A year ago and outsider would have been welcome. Unfortunately, that outsider is a Republican women, and now that's not such a good idea.

botebum
10-30-2008, 08:42 AM
Not everyone agrees with the qualification standard set here.

Brian, what do you consider to be the qualification standard for POTUS? Seriously, I'd like to know.

Doug

Joe (SoCal)
10-30-2008, 08:57 AM
Norman exceptionally well put, thank you.

Brian your smart enough and a decent guy to see some truth in what Norman posted. Think about it, I've given up on Ish's ability but i have immense hope for you ;)

Shang
10-30-2008, 09:29 AM
And perhaps the final nail in the coffin is the sight of Palin speaking to crowds, and we can hear the chant from the sidelines, "Kill the nigger...!"
And Sarah stands there with her little smirky smile and says nothing.

Lew Barrett
10-30-2008, 09:45 AM
Palin faces ethics complaints over kids' travel (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081021/ap_on_el_pr/palin_family_travel)

Fox News reports it too! (http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct21/0,4670,PalinFamilyTravel,00.html)

Brand new ethics complaints on the self-made lady from Alaska. Any real surprises here?

LeeG
10-30-2008, 09:46 AM
it's time for Jack to post "get over it, she's a pip!"

Lew Barrett
10-30-2008, 09:50 AM
Review the links I posted above. These are some significant charges that are being investigated. This is not about guilt by association, nor reflective of differences of opinion, nor even questions of ignorance or lack of experience. .

Have at it. This has hardly made the TV news. Brian; what's the local read on this stuff? Anything to it?

Shang
10-30-2008, 10:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIxRKjcbbBY&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw3o3y77MaA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgHqUp6V1Eo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRLljAMvO2s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rTps4Iau1E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01qCa2BysnM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvCpBvwN0e4&feature=related

Paul Pless
10-30-2008, 10:01 AM
Palin's greatest failing was not to recognize how far over her head the nomination for vice -presidency was...

PatCox
10-30-2008, 10:02 AM
Hey Paul, have you researched McCain and Frank Keating as thoroughly?

riptide
10-30-2008, 10:28 AM
A year ago and outsider would have been welcome. Unfortunately, that outsider is a Republican women, and now that's not such a good idea.

Horse****. I'd be happy to vote for an outsider -- even a Republican -- if the person was genuinely bright and capable, and had real integrity. Sarah is none of those things. She's a small-minded dimwit. She lacks common-sense and integrity, as proven by her practice of taking her kids with her at taxpayer expense, then changing the expense forms AFTER the fact when the press asked for copies. She hasn't done anything as Governor that a thousand other Alaskans couldn't have done. She hasn't climbed up the ladder on the basis of her merits: she got there because she's attractive, telegenic, confident far beyond her abilities, and happened to be in the right place at the right time. And for some reason, some folks like her "folksy" style. (I don't.)

There are THOUSANDS of outsiders who'd be more capable as vice president. Want a list? You could start with most people who've ever run a business with more than, say, 40 or 50 employees. To that list, you could add thousands more who've served as governors, mayors of decent-sized cities, high school principals, college presidents, or in various other public administrative roles. Hell, is there a Wal-Mart in Wasilla? The store manager is probably brighter and more capable than Sarah.

Over the past 20 years, I've known dozens of women with college degrees. MOST OF THEM -- at least 3/4s? -- are smarter and more capable than Sarah. At least than many know more about domestic and international issues than Sarah knows ... even now, after she spent weeks cramming for her debate.
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Keith Wilson
10-30-2008, 10:37 AM
Not everyone agrees with the qualification standard set here.

A year ago an outsider would have been welcome. Unfortunately, that outsider is a Republican women, and now that's not such a good idea.
Had Ms. Palin shown herself to be reasonably knowledgeable about the economy and international issues, had she given clear and coherent answers to reporters' questions (brilliance is not needed), had she been able to give a halfway competent press conference with reporters asking questions of normal difficulty, had she rebuked the racist yahoos yelling about killing Obama - had she done these things, few people, and none on the right, would be talking about how unqualified she is. The problem is not that she's a woman, nor that she's a Republican, nor that she's an "outsider". If she had performed reasonably well, none of that would matter. As it is, even the more intelligent right-wing commentators are despairing of her.

"She doesn't think aloud. She just . . . says things."

Peggy Noonan (Conservative commentator, Ronald Reagan's former speechwriter)

Gonzalo
10-30-2008, 11:01 AM
This is the section of the Peggy Noonan's column Keith quoted that criticizes Sarah Palin. This is only a part of what conservatives have said about Sarah Palin's failings. Columns by David Brooks, George Will, and even Charles Krauthamer have been similarly, though more cautiously, critical.


There has never been a second's debate among liberals, to use an old-fashioned word that may yet return to vogue, over Mrs. Palin: She was a dope and unqualified from the start. Conservatives and Republicans, on the other hand, continue to battle it out: Was her choice a success or a disaster? And if one holds negative views, should one say so? For conservatives in general, but certainly for writers, the answer is a variation on Edmund Burke: You owe your readers not your industry only but your judgment, and you betray instead of serve them if you sacrifice it to what may or may not be their opinion.

Here is a fact of life that is also a fact of politics: You have to hold open the possibility of magic. People can come from nowhere, with modest backgrounds and short résumés, and yet be individuals of real gifts, gifts that had previously been unseen, that had been gleaming quietly under a bushel, and are suddenly revealed. Mrs. Palin came, essentially, from nowhere. But there was a man who came from nowhere, the seeming tool of a political machine, a tidy, narrow, unsophisticated senator appointed to high office and then thrust into power by a careless Franklin D. Roosevelt, whose vanity told him he would live forever. And yet that limited little man was Harry S. Truman. Of the Marshall Plan, of containment. Little Harry was big. He had magic. You have to give people time to show what they have. Because maybe they have magic too.

But we have seen Mrs. Palin on the national stage for seven weeks now, and there is little sign that she has the tools, the equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office. She is a person of great ambition, but the question remains: What is the purpose of the ambition? She wants to rise, but what for? For seven weeks I've listened to her, trying to understand if she is Bushian or Reaganite—a spender, to speak briefly, whose political decisions seem untethered to a political philosophy, and whose foreign policy is shaped by a certain emotionalism, or a conservative whose principles are rooted in philosophy, and whose foreign policy leans more toward what might be called romantic realism, and that is speak truth, know America, be America, move diplomatically, respect public opinion, and move within an awareness and appreciation of reality.

But it's unclear whether she is Bushian or Reaganite. She doesn't think aloud. She just . . . says things.

Her supporters accuse her critics of snobbery: Maybe she's not a big "egghead" but she has brilliant instincts and inner toughness. But what instincts? "I'm Joe Six-Pack"? She does not speak seriously but attempts to excite sensation—"palling around with terrorists." If the Ayers case is a serious issue, treat it seriously. She is not as thoughtful or persuasive as Joe the Plumber, who in an extended cable interview Thursday made a better case for the Republican ticket than the Republican ticket has made. In the past two weeks she has spent her time throwing out tinny lines to crowds she doesn't, really, understand. This is not a leader, this is a follower, and she follows what she imagines is the base, which is in fact a vast and broken-hearted thing whose pain she cannot, actually, imagine. She could reinspire and reinspirit; she chooses merely to excite. She doesn't seem to understand the implications of her own thoughts.

No news conferences? Interviews now only with friendly journalists? You can't be president or vice president and govern in that style, as a sequestered figure. This has been Mr. Bush's style the past few years, and see where it got us. You must address America in its entirety, not as a sliver or a series of slivers but as a full and whole entity, a great nation trying to hold together. When you don't, when you play only to your little piece, you contribute to its fracturing.

In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics. It's no good, not for conservatism and not for the country. And yes, it is a mark against John McCain, against his judgment and idealism. The emphasis is mine. I didn't quote the whole column because not all of it discusses Sarah Palin. Here is the link, for those who want to read the whole thing. http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/peggy-noonan-blasts-sarah-palin I got the link by googling "Peggy Noonan on Sarah Palin."

Keith Wilson
10-30-2008, 11:57 AM
Thanks John; I corrected the quote.

Gonzalo
10-30-2008, 12:04 PM
I didn't notice you had misquoted. I just wanted to read the article, and once I did it seemed worth pasting the part of it germane to this thread.

Bob Cleek
10-30-2008, 01:23 PM
History's backward look is usually 20-20. At the end of the day, it's pretty simple. Once again, the Republicans set out to sell the "sizzle," but this time around, the nation was hungry for steak. "Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on me again..."

Paul Girouard
10-30-2008, 07:03 PM
Hey Paul, have you researched McCain and Frank Keating as thoroughly?




Yes, I know about that BUT I didn't say McCain was a "self made man , yadda yadda yadda," Joe did, about Obama.

McCain sat on the hot seat over that Keating 5 deal , Obama's gettin a " OK 3 wire score, for a bolter". All his scores are good :confused: , "Paddle's" must be in his pocket. :mad: You'll never figure those out will ya. :p

Joe (SoCal)
10-30-2008, 07:10 PM
Yes, I know about that BUT I didn't say McCain was a "self made man , yadda yadda yadda," Joe did, about Obama.


I sat next to Billy Joel at a bar in NYC for about an hour we had a nice chat........ I still cant play piano or sing. ;)

LeeG
10-30-2008, 07:43 PM
paling around with Billy Joel eh??

LeeG
10-30-2008, 07:49 PM
http://palinaspresident.us/