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ishmael
10-13-2008, 11:02 AM
The wholesale price of lobster is down around 2.00 a pound. The folks who go out trapping them are hurting. I want to know why I paid close to nine bucks the last time I bought lobster.

Phillip Allen
10-13-2008, 11:05 AM
when wal-mart gets out of the lobster business it's gonna be bad up there...like it's bad right now if you're a lobster

Gary E
10-13-2008, 11:07 AM
It's the very same reason I paid aprox $4.00 a gal the last time I filled up the tank, just before IKE came through here...
Now the price is $3.00 and falling...

StevenBauer
10-13-2008, 11:08 AM
It'll be worse for the Canadian lobster fishermen. Their season is just starting, the Maine season is coming to a close.

Steven

TimH
10-13-2008, 11:09 AM
when wal-mart gets out of the lobster business it's gonna be bad up there...like it's bad right now if you're a lobster

huh?

Phillip Allen
10-13-2008, 11:13 AM
wal mart sells lobster nation wide...how much pressure do you think that puts on a natural resource? wal mart is a HUGE customer...which drives folks to try to sell to them...which cause people to invest heavily into the effort to satisfy that market demand...do I need to go on?

MiddleAgesMan
10-13-2008, 11:14 AM
There are a couple things called profit and markup that should explain that, Jack. ;)

Many years ago I was having breakfast with a friend--a very smart individual he was. We were at some chain restaurant (Sambo's I believe) and they had great prices for breakfast. I think I had a couple eggs, bacon and hash browns for $2.50 or so. He got a similar deal on his breakfast but complained loudly that Sambo's was making a killing on us. He pointed out an egg cost just a few cents, the coffee probably a penny, the bacon maybe 25 cents.

I couldn't make him understand that a business has many more expenses than just the product.

paladin
10-13-2008, 11:28 AM
We had a Sambo's locally, best food for miles, was picketed by African American's because of the name, they closed down....a couple/three dozen of those self same people lost their jobs and the restaurant was never replaced by anything.

John of Phoenix
10-13-2008, 11:36 AM
I want to know why I paid close to nine bucks the last time I bought lobster.
Good question. Norman said he was paying $4 when he was up there earlier.

Chris Coose
10-13-2008, 11:55 AM
Coastal lobstermen have two cash seasons.
When the "shedders start crawling" (Spring) and "about the time kids go back to school" (Fall). Quotes by Chris Kelsey.
In the spring Chris hauled 400-500lbs. per trip. It was a good season all along Maine.
This fall prices plumeted due to people cutting back for the most part.
The Monhegan guys have a radical conservastion tadition of fishing only during the winter and this year they are even cutting back further.
New boats are not being ordered to be built. Some of the less productive lobstermen are getting out and it is a bitch to get into lobstering.
Lobstering like any manual trade is getting its ass kicked but it ain't going anywhere, you can be certain of that.

Wal mart sells poluted Chinese lobster.

willmarsh3
10-13-2008, 12:16 PM
Publix sells lobster also. It's either American or Canadian as indicated on the color band put on it's claws or so they say on the sign.

Robmill0605
10-13-2008, 12:33 PM
That's a real shame.
Maine lobsterman are some the hardest working guys I know. They will head out to sea to help you in a heartbeat.
I almost lost my boat the ENTERTAINER one day. I headed out to a winter berth in October to Kennebunkport on a clear cold morning. The day warmed and the fog was so thick you couldn't see the bow. I had my waypoints in my loran and rounded the bouy just outside the stone jetty leading into the river when my rudder linkage snapped.
Hard over.
I put her into neutral and was scrambling into the lazzertte with my BFH to hammer it , I could hear the waves breaking on the rocks through the transom. My buddy Kevin was with me, starting yelling for help on the radio, and a lone lobsterman headed out towards us out of the fog, and towed us away from the rocks while i beat the bejesus out of the rudder head.
Would of wrecked her for sure without him, and he wouldn't take a dime or a beer from me.
I have nothing but admiration for these guys.

Chris Coose
10-13-2008, 01:04 PM
Want to support a Maine lobsterman's way of life?
Buy from a local fish market or one of the Maine internet retailers.

Nice story in the paper today.
http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/034160.html

George Roberts
10-13-2008, 01:41 PM
I guess I missed the bubble the price of lobsters and the more recent crash.

By all means we should bail out the lobstermen.

Bill R
10-13-2008, 02:38 PM
I guess I missed the bubble the price of lobsters and the more recent crash.

By all means we should bail out the lobstermen.

I do hope you are being cynical, and not just an a$$h*le...

rbgarr
10-13-2008, 02:51 PM
AFAIK the largest market for Maine lobsters is Canadian processors. They have been financed by Icelandic banks and are having trouble getting credit, among others things.

Gary E
10-13-2008, 02:56 PM
cant the lobstermen bail out there own frikkin boatz?

johnw
10-13-2008, 03:04 PM
We had a Sambo's locally, best food for miles, was picketed by African American's because of the name, they closed down....a couple/three dozen of those self same people lost their jobs and the restaurant was never replaced by anything.

The chain changed its name to International House of Pancakes, and is still in business.

Sambo was South Asian, which is why he was dealing with tigers instead of lions. A fact that is generally forgotten.

Gary E
10-13-2008, 03:27 PM
The chain changed its name to International House of Pancakes, and is still in business.

Sambo was South Asian, which is why he was dealing with tigers instead of lions. A fact that is generally forgotten.

You sure about that?? I Hop is not even mentioned in it's history...

Sambo's is a restaurant, formerly an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) restaurant chain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restaurant_chain), started in 1957 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957) by Sam Battistone and Newell Bohnett. Though the name was taken from portions of the names of its founders, the chain soon found itself associated with The Story of Little Black Sambo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Black_Sambo). Battistone and Bohnett capitalized on the coincidence by decorating the walls of the restaurants with scenes from the book, including a dark-skinned boy and tigers. By the early 1970s, the illustrations depicted a light-skinned boy wearing a jeweled Indian-style turban with the tigers. A kids club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_club), Sambo's Tiger Tamers (later called the Tiger Club), promoted the chain's family image.
By 1979 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979), Sambo's had 1,200 outlets in 47 U.S. states. However in the late seventies controversy over the chain's name drew protests and lawsuits in communities that viewed the term Sambo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo_(racial_term)) as a pejorative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pejorative) towards African-Americans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-Americans), particularly in Northeast states. Several of the restaurants were opened as or renamed to "The Jolly Tiger" in locations where the local community passed resolutions forbidding the use of the original name or refused to grant the chain permits.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo's#cite_note-tdjsambos-0) In March of 1981, in a further attempt to give the chain a new image the company again renamed some locations, this time to "No Place Like Sam's".[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo's#cite_note-nytsambos-1) By November of 1981, the company filed for bankruptcy.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo's#cite_note-nytbankrupt-2) Neither the name change nor bankrupty protection reversed the downward trend, and in 1982 all but the original Sambo's at 216 West Cabrillo Boulevard in Santa Barbara, California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Barbara,_California), closed their doors. [1] (http://www.sambosrestaurant.com/across.htm)
In its last days as a chain, Sambo's was sued by Dr Pepper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr_Pepper) for plagiarizing the latter's popular television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television) commercial in a spot Sambo's ran to promote its new senior citizen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_citizen) discount program. Sambo's was also sued by non-white employees and applicants who were alleging discrimination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination) in hiring and advancement[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)].
Battistone's grandson, restaurateur Chad Stevens, owns the only remaining Sambo's. He expresses a desire to revive the chain.
There is a "Lil' Sambo's" restaurant in Lincoln City, Oregon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_City,_Oregon), but it was never part of the Sambo's chain.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo's#cite_note-3)
Battistone is also the original owner of the New Orleans Jazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Jazz) in the NBA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA).[2] (http://hornetsreport.com/HRClassic/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=231) He later moved the team to Utah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah) and sold it

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The International House of Pancakes (IHOP) is a United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)-based restaurant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restaurant) chain that specializes in breakfast foods and is owned by DineEquity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DineEquity). While IHOP's focus is on breakfast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakfast) foods such as pancakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancake), waffles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle), French toast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_toast), omelettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omelette), and blintzes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blintz), it has evolved into also offering a menu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menu) of full course meals and a variety of desserts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dessert). As of March 31 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_31), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008), the chain had 1,353 restaurants in 49 states, the U.S. Virgin Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Virgin_Islands), Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) and Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico). Currently, there is an IHOP planned to be built in Puerto Rico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico). 11 are corporate-owned; 157 are operated under area licenses

The International House of Pancakes was founded in 1958 by Jerry Lapin and his brother Al Lapin, Jr., and financial partners Albert Kallis and Sherwood Rosenberg. The first restaurant opened on July 7, 1958, in Toluca Lake, Los Angeles, California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca_Lake,_Los_Angeles,_California).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IHOP_(restaurant)#cite_note-1) Since then, locations have been opened all over the United States, in the Canadian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian) province of British Columbia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia) and in the Mexican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican) cities of Monterrey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monterrey) and Mexico City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City). It also announced on October 23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_23), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006), that it is expanding into the province of Ontario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario) as well. IHOP is headquartered in Glendale, California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glendale,_California). The company uses "IHOP" as its primary name, though they still use "International House of Pancakes" as a secondary name

Tylerdurden
10-13-2008, 03:39 PM
Norman is all wet on this one, He would rather have corporate lobster men:rolleyes:
If this was truly a free market the lobstermen would not need help.

The only issue I have is when this was all getting started the smart ones put up the big boat and went with Honda powered skiffs with a different schedule. Sooner or later it will go back to sail.

George Roberts
10-13-2008, 03:43 PM
Bill R ---

In fairness, you should make a similar comment towards norm.

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A lot of businesses have had booms and busts. Some get bailed out. Some don't.

Farmer's get a continuing bailout. Even now with great prices.

Fishermen might get less of a bailout, but I don't pay that much attention.

Lobstermen should get what the rest of us get when our markets fail to provide us with the opportunity we think we deserve.

I am all in favor of providing them with support for a time so that they can move on to other professions perhaps in other locations. (But then my original post indicated we should bail them out - and it drew your wrath.)

Chris Coose
10-13-2008, 04:03 PM
Jesus H. Christ.
Don't eat lobster.
Where did you get the idea that these guys need special protection?

johnw
10-13-2008, 04:28 PM
You sure about that?? I Hop is not even mentioned in it's history...

Sambo's is a restaurant, formerly an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) restaurant chain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restaurant_chain), started in 1957 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957) by Sam Battistone and Newell Bohnett. Though the name was taken from portions of the names of its founders, the chain soon found itself associated with The Story of Little Black Sambo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Black_Sambo). Battistone and Bohnett capitalized on the coincidence by decorating the walls of the restaurants with scenes from the book, including a dark-skinned boy and tigers. By the early 1970s, the illustrations depicted a light-skinned boy wearing a jeweled Indian-style turban with the tigers. A kids club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_club), Sambo's Tiger Tamers (later called the Tiger Club), promoted the chain's family image.
By 1979 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979), Sambo's had 1,200 outlets in 47 U.S. states. However in the late seventies controversy over the chain's name drew protests and lawsuits in communities that viewed the term Sambo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo_(racial_term)) as a pejorative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pejorative) towards African-Americans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-Americans), particularly in Northeast states. Several of the restaurants were opened as or renamed to "The Jolly Tiger" in locations where the local community passed resolutions forbidding the use of the original name or refused to grant the chain permits.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo's#cite_note-tdjsambos-0) In March of 1981, in a further attempt to give the chain a new image the company again renamed some locations, this time to "No Place Like Sam's".[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo's#cite_note-nytsambos-1) By November of 1981, the company filed for bankruptcy.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo's#cite_note-nytbankrupt-2) Neither the name change nor bankrupty protection reversed the downward trend, and in 1982 all but the original Sambo's at 216 West Cabrillo Boulevard in Santa Barbara, California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Barbara,_California), closed their doors. [1] (http://www.sambosrestaurant.com/across.htm)
In its last days as a chain, Sambo's was sued by Dr Pepper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr_Pepper) for plagiarizing the latter's popular television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television) commercial in a spot Sambo's ran to promote its new senior citizen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_citizen) discount program. Sambo's was also sued by non-white employees and applicants who were alleging discrimination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination) in hiring and advancement[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)].
Battistone's grandson, restaurateur Chad Stevens, owns the only remaining Sambo's. He expresses a desire to revive the chain.
There is a "Lil' Sambo's" restaurant in Lincoln City, Oregon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_City,_Oregon), but it was never part of the Sambo's chain.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo's#cite_note-3)
Battistone is also the original owner of the New Orleans Jazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Jazz) in the NBA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA).[2] (http://hornetsreport.com/HRClassic/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=231) He later moved the team to Utah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah) and sold it

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The International House of Pancakes (IHOP) is a United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)-based restaurant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restaurant) chain that specializes in breakfast foods and is owned by DineEquity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DineEquity). While IHOP's focus is on breakfast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakfast) foods such as pancakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancake), waffles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle), French toast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_toast), omelettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omelette), and blintzes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blintz), it has evolved into also offering a menu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menu) of full course meals and a variety of desserts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dessert). As of March 31 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_31), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008), the chain had 1,353 restaurants in 49 states, the U.S. Virgin Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Virgin_Islands), Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) and Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico). Currently, there is an IHOP planned to be built in Puerto Rico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico). 11 are corporate-owned; 157 are operated under area licenses

The International House of Pancakes was founded in 1958 by Jerry Lapin and his brother Al Lapin, Jr., and financial partners Albert Kallis and Sherwood Rosenberg. The first restaurant opened on July 7, 1958, in Toluca Lake, Los Angeles, California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca_Lake,_Los_Angeles,_California).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IHOP_(restaurant)#cite_note-1) Since then, locations have been opened all over the United States, in the Canadian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian) province of British Columbia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia) and in the Mexican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican) cities of Monterrey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monterrey) and Mexico City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City). It also announced on October 23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_23), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006), that it is expanding into the province of Ontario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario) as well. IHOP is headquartered in Glendale, California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glendale,_California). The company uses "IHOP" as its primary name, though they still use "International House of Pancakes" as a secondary name

Guess I'm wrong. I thought that because I saw a Sambo's morph into an IHOP and thought it was the same outfit. Very similar menus.

Rigadog
10-13-2008, 05:04 PM
I'm allergic to lobster.