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DetroitSorg
09-12-2008, 05:53 AM
Hi everyone, this is my first post. I joined this forum because I have inherited a boat. My boat is a 1958 Sorg Runabout. This boat was purchased by my father new in 1958 from the Sorg Boat company in Detroit, Michigan. The boat is in great shape even after all these years. I could post some photos if anyone is interested.

Anyways, my father had let me use the boat years ago. I used it primarily for fishing. Then my wife and I started our family and it was more difficult to find the time as the kids were small. So the boat sat for about 11 years. During this time the boat suffered some weather related damage. I think it is very light but the bottom line is I think it needs a good coat or two of paint and varnish and it will be back in shape. I had it in the water 2 weeks ago and it doesn't leak, the motor runs great, and all my neighbors love it. I just want to try to reverse any damage and make sure it is going to be around for me to pass on to my kids.

So you're probably saying "Get to the point.". Ok here is what I need help with:

1. Anyone ever hear of the Sorg Boat Company in Detroit?
2. I need some pointers on painting and varnishing a wood boat.

If anyone could point me in the direction of some good reference material I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

Jon

MiddleAgesMan
09-12-2008, 09:15 AM
Sorry I can't help but we always like pictures. :)

There are dozens of threads about paint and varnish which can be located with the Search function.

DetroitSorg
09-12-2008, 08:46 PM
Ok, what's the trick to posting pics here. I can't seem to get them small enough for the web site to accept?

Jon

Bob Adams
09-13-2008, 06:19 PM
Ok, what's the trick to posting pics here. I can't seem to get them small enough for the web site to accept?

Jon

Pretty easy actually. I've never known image size to be a problem. They need to be hosted by Photobucket, Flikr or some such. Then, hit the insert image button above, a window will appear. Delete the HTTP ect in that indow, and paste in the URL of your picture. That'a all there is to it!

DetroitSorg
09-15-2008, 11:17 AM
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/jon_hitch/scan0001-1.gif

DetroitSorg
09-15-2008, 11:18 AM
Ok, that worked. This time from photobucket.

This is my boat. I scanned this photo in. I'll take some more and get them out here.

The trailer is original too.

Hwyl
09-15-2008, 11:21 AM
When you are typing your "Reply" click the yellow box that looks like a mountain with a postcard http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/images/editor/insertimage.gifas pictured. That opens a box. Right click on the picture you want to post, one of the headings will say "properties". Cut and paste the URL that comes up there into the box. Be careful that it does not say http// twice. If there is anything after the file thingy (usually .jpg or .gif) delete that bit.


There are other ways, but that's the way I learned.

Edit, you figured it out while I was typing.

jerry bark
09-15-2008, 01:49 PM
very cool boat!

cheers
jerry

MiddleAgesMan
09-15-2008, 03:08 PM
What a cutie!

kwschofi
09-29-2008, 11:07 PM
Hi Jon,

I have heard of the Sorg boat company. I acquired a Sorg runabout last summer. Mine looks very similar to yours except for the windshield. It also came with a Tee Nee trailer. My restoration progress so far has been to read a bunch of books on the subject, flip the boat over onto a 2x4 frame with casters, and strip four layers of paint from the hull. While my heat gun was cooling off I restored the trailer. I'd like to see more photos of your boat. Thanks for posting to this forum - I have not come across any other Sorg runabouts online.

-Kevin
http://www.racedaynutrition.com/images/news%20images/sorg%20boat/sorg%20boat.jpg
http://www.racedaynutrition.com/images/news%20images/sorg%20boat/trailer.jpg

DetroitSorg
10-04-2008, 10:39 AM
Very cool, I'll take more this weekend and get them out there.

DetroitSorg
10-06-2008, 07:05 PM
Here's some off my phone of the interior. Original controls from the factory. I added the fish finder about 13 years ago, mounted from behind so I wouldn't damage the dash. You can see some of the wood damage, I don't think it's too bad. I'm hoping a good sanding and revarnish will fix it up. I have more on my camera, will work on those next.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/jon_hitch/Picture002.jpghttp://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/jon_hitch/Picture001.jpg

DetroitSorg
10-06-2008, 07:06 PM
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/jon_hitch/Picture001.jpg

DetroitSorg
10-06-2008, 07:38 PM
Ok, here are some better quality shots off my camera. You can see some of the ribs no longer have varnish on them. There are spots in other areas that are the same. If anyone can help me with some tips on where to start with this boat I would appreciate it.


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/jon_hitch/IMG_0391.jpg
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/jon_hitch/IMG_0392.jpg
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/jon_hitch/IMG_0393.jpg
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/jon_hitch/IMG_0394.jpg
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/jon_hitch/IMG_0395.jpg


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/jon_hitch/IMG_0396.jpg

kwschofi
10-20-2008, 09:17 PM
Thanks for sharing the photos. I’m no expert on marine wood, and I’m not sure what your thoughts are on the quality your Sorg should be in, but it appears to be in excellent condition. The interior of my Sorg is quite a bit less attractive than yours. I wouldn’t call it damage though – more like flaky varnish making it look bad. I plan on doing all my restoration work on the exterior and leaving the interior alone. I fear that if I meticulously restore the interior I may not want to use it! There are no cracked ribs and the rest of the wood is solid. I may stabilize the interior, but I don’t plan on any extensive refinishing.
You have what looks to be a transom saver beneath the engine controls tray. I have the same fixture. Do you know if that is original? I ask because the holes drilled for mine are slightly off center. Nothing tragic, just a little sloppy for a boat builder.
Again, not an expert here, but I’ll recommend two books: How to Restore Your Wooden Runabout, by Danenberg, and Restore Your Wooden Boat, by Grayson.
http://www.racedaynutrition.com/images/news%20images/sorg%20boat/transom%20saver.jpghttp://www.racedaynutrition.com/images/news%20images/sorg%20boat/bow%20view.jpg

DetroitSorg
10-21-2008, 07:01 AM
Thanks for the reply. I'll look into those books. Not sure about if the tray is original or not, I'll have to ask my dad. He actually got to watch the boat being built when he purchased it. I know he built a small shelf into the bow to create a storage area. I'll check in with him later today and get back to you. The paint is the original design, my dad just changed the color at some point, the original color was a blue. Not quite baby blue, a little darker. He said my mom hated the blue so he painted it red. He also had mentioned that he had applied varnish a couple of times over the years. The transom saver is original though, I'll have to look a little closer and see if it is centered on my boat. I thought it was.

Yours has an interesting seat in the back. Is that a fold down? It also looks like it may be adjustable, is that true? And it looks like you have a drain plug right in the center near the keel? Mine is off to the left mounted inside the storage box. I'll ask my dad if he installed the storage boxes as well. I believe he installed the drain plug. He had mentioned that he put the plug over there so it is slightly out of site. The problem is that I can't get all the water (and dirt) to drain. There is always a little left in the bottom. I don't think that is a problem though because a little water helps keep the wood swelled up. My standard procedure is to keep a little water in the boat if it is not in the water. If you put it in the water dry, water will leak in until the wood swells.

The ribs down the middle are so close together I've been trying to figure out how I can get it cleaned good before I apply varnish. I don't think there is anyway to get a sander down there as they are about 1"-2" apart. This is where the dirt collects and the wood has turned darker there. The ribs on the side are easier to clean. I think you'll find that if you get the inside cleaned up and varnished well that it will take the wear. My boat has not been varnished in probably 30 years. I used it exstensively as a fishing boat 15 years ago and it was fine.

Hey, are you located in Michigan?

kwschofi
10-21-2008, 07:29 PM
Thatís good to know that your paint is original in style. Iíve seen it on other runabouts and may try to recreate that design. The rear seat is adjustable. It slides on those rails you see in the photo. It also folds down for step-over access to the stern. I am not sure if it is original. I didnít think it was at first glance.
There is a low profile brass or bronze drain installed. In the photos you can see the drain (with paint debris) as well as how the transom saver bolts were landed. Iím located in Illinois.
http://www.racedaynutrition.com/images/news%20images/sorg%20boat/sorg%20drain.jpghttp://www.racedaynutrition.com/images/news%20images/sorg%20boat/sorg%20drain%202.jpg

DetroitSorg
10-22-2008, 05:15 PM
Well, my dad was over and I showed him the photos of your boat. He recognized it right away and said it was the 17' model. I guess they made 2 models back then a 16' and a 17'. I've got the 16'.

He said the seat on yours is original, he remembered it as an option on the larger model.

He also told me the transon saver, controls tray and the storage boxes on mine (and yours)are original as well. The only thing he added was the storage shelf in the bow. I'll try to get a photo of it this weekend and post it. It really comes in handy for stowing life jackets and coats and I think he did a nice job as I would not have known it wasn't original if he didn't tell me.

mcguyver12
02-10-2010, 08:56 PM
Hi Sorg Boat Owners
My dad, grandfather and uncle all worked for Sorg. My dad was the forman for 25 years there. I restore woooden boats for a living so if there anything I can do to help to restore your Sorg please contact me. My email mcguyver12@talkamerica.net.

Mike

signalcharlie
10-22-2014, 09:53 PM
Hi
Just bought a 1957 Sorg today, 15 foot runabout. Has anyone found any more information on the Company? Mcguyver, I tried your email, no luck.

https://www.facebook.com/129769927103126/photos/a.132816433465142.35364.129769927103126/739195542827225/?type=1&theater

Kent

DetroitSorg
10-24-2014, 11:00 AM
Hi, Jon here.

I ended up punting and had my Sorg painted and re-varnished. I believe McGuyver is the guy who did it for me. We're in Michigan, where are you located? I'll see if I can find his business card. It's been about 4 years, not sure if I still have it.

Boat turned out good, will have to post some new pics.

Jon

signalcharlie
10-26-2014, 07:43 PM
https://www.facebook.com/129769927103126/photos/pb.129769927103126.-2207520000.1414370445./740572779356168/?type=3&theater
Hi, Jon here.

I ended up punting and had my Sorg painted and re-varnished. I believe McGuyver is the guy who did it for me. We're in Michigan, where are you located? I'll see if I can find his business card. It's been about 4 years, not sure if I still have it.

Boat turned out good, will have to post some new pics.

Jon

Hi Jon

we are down in Florida, close to Pensacola. Got the boat home Saturday, the Skipper loves it. Now we need to get the motor serviced and hooked up

kent

signalcharlie
11-03-2014, 10:33 PM
The boat did not have a motor but the seller had a 1956 Evinrude Lark 35hp that he tossed into the deal. Any good resources for parts and tips on getting it running?

https://www.facebook.com/129769927103126/photos/pcb.745759128837533/745758798837566/?type=1&theater

One question I have is about the small lever on the front part of the motor just forward of where the throttle cable connects, it has markings for Fast Start Slow. Is that where a a stick steer throttle would connect or just an indicator?

I'll also be looking for the name of the part that connects the steering cables to the motor.

Kent

signalcharlie
10-17-2015, 06:44 AM
!959 Sorg it turns out per Michigan paperwork. Small leak repair on the stem. Skipped the vintage motor/steering and re motored with a Suzuki 25hp 4 stroke from Lou's Marine. Added bilge pump. Made a new seat back for the middle seat. Got a new trailer made. Built her a carriage house. Willow runs great, we are enjoying the Bays, Rivers and the Bayous! Bottom picture is our Suzuki dealer taking her out to make sure she has the right prop

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11750692_889424807804297_1845328470466671771_n.jpg ?oh=9ad52ee26d3d109ebc7b10d8912e638b&oe=56BFA676

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11752327_889424821137629_2792977235446130580_n.jpg ?oh=f75039fa7d89936761d636709686c1f1&oe=56C5C9F3

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Rich Jones
10-17-2015, 07:02 AM
Very nice! Is the 25hp big enough to really move the boat along? I had a 15' PennYan with a 1959 35hp Gale, but it was no speedster.

signalcharlie
10-17-2015, 11:25 AM
Very nice! Is the 25hp big enough to really move the boat along? I had a 15' PennYan with a 1959 35hp Gale, but it was no speedster.

I get 22+ mph with just me onboard, smooth water, around 4500 rpm. Haven't run it that wide open with passengers. Considering the age of the boat I consider that to be moving along :) The boat was delivered without a running motor, but the restorer included parts of a 35 hp Evinrude Big Twin which he believed was period correct. The Suzuki Dealer said with the newer 4 stroke motor technologies and how thrust is measured/produced at the shaft, that a 25hp 4 stroke would deliver approx the same kick. He actually said 20 would work also, but for a few more dollars and a couple of pounds, we got 5 more hp and tilt/trim. Along the same lines, I spoke with a Lyman 15 owner who ran a 20 hp 4 stroke and got approx 20mph.

Here are some videos of Willow running:
https://www.facebook.com/129769927103126/videos/vb.129769927103126/919549078125203/?type=2&theater
https://www.facebook.com/129769927103126/videos/vb.129769927103126/919470914799686/?type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/129769927103126/videos/vb.129769927103126/919470914799686/?type=2&theater)

wizbang 13
10-17-2015, 01:03 PM
oh yea, she is going jus fine !

signalcharlie
10-19-2015, 08:45 PM
26mph @ 5200 rpm, 2 people on board.

LanceMO
03-04-2016, 10:45 AM
Thatís good to know that your paint is original in style. Iíve seen it on other runabouts and may try to recreate that design. The rear seat is adjustable. It slides on those rails you see in the photo. It also folds down for step-over access to the stern. I am not sure if it is original. I didnít think it was at first glance.
There is a low profile brass or bronze drain installed. In the photos you can see the drain (with paint debris) as well as how the transom saver bolts were landed. Iím located in Illinois.
http://www.racedaynutrition.com/images/news%20images/sorg%20boat/sorg%20drain.jpghttp://www.racedaynutrition.com/images/news%20images/sorg%20boat/sorg%20drain%202.jpg

Kevin - I believe you are the new owner of my grandfathers boat. I don't know anyone else who would have chosen sea foam green for his Sorg. We brought the boat from Detroit in 1991 to St. Peters, MO. I was forced to sell it a few years later. Call me 314 eight53 six 1 2 7 or send a note to my email lancetrudell@hotmail.com. I would love to know how this boat has evolved over the years and if you ever sell it - I would like the first offer.

Lance