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Paul Pless
08-17-2008, 03:33 PM
http://img.nytstore.com/IMAGES/NSAPMY4_EXTR.JPG

Hwyl
08-17-2008, 04:09 PM
That's available as a poster, I think. I could not find it on the Mystic site. They sometimes do a poor job of retailing.

http://www.mysticseaportart.com/rosenfeld.asp

Here's a remarkably similar one.

http://www.mysticseaportart.com/graphics/1007641r.jpg

John B
08-17-2008, 04:33 PM
Those kites must have been incredibly valuable/ expensive in 1938.

Concordia...41
08-18-2008, 06:39 AM
That is visual poetry. Wow!

Dan McCosh
08-20-2008, 08:01 AM
I've seen that photo a lot, but didn't know the other boat was Northern Light. Not to belabor the string of coincidences, but I saw an old friend who owned Northern Light for a time in the 1960s, who sailed it from the Great Lakes to the islands.

JimConlin
08-20-2008, 11:21 AM
It's hard to say which has advanced more, boat construction or sail construction.

Dan McCosh
08-20-2008, 11:47 AM
It's hard to say which has advanced more, boat construction or sail construction.

That's pretty easy. Northern Light has been actively raced and sailed for more than 70 years, far exceeding any more modern structure. The sails in 1938 were Egyptian cotton, which had a useful life of a couple of years.

John B
08-20-2008, 04:00 PM
The spinnakers would surely be nylon by then.

Hwyl
08-20-2008, 08:45 PM
When I started sailing in 1964 or so there were still boats with cotton spinnakers. That was on a GP 14 and the class started in 1949.

Dan McCosh
08-20-2008, 08:47 PM
The spinnakers would surely be nylon by then.


Nylon was only invented in 1935.

John B
08-20-2008, 09:09 PM
Interesting. It made a fast transition from legs into parachutes then didn't it.

Carlsboats
08-21-2008, 09:18 AM
As an old DuPonter I much doubt that spinnakers were made of nylon in 1938.

Steve Paskey
08-21-2008, 10:47 AM
As an old DuPonter I much doubt that spinnakers were made of nylon in 1938.

Yup. Nylon was first used commercially in 1938, in toothbrushes. Nylon stockings first appeared in 1940. After the U.S. entered WWII, there was a crash effort to develop a nylon parachute. Nylon sails would have followed some time after that.

John B
08-25-2008, 10:12 PM
Yeah, I just made a leap between nylon/ WWII and assumed it'd been around a bit longer than it had. Always good to get the chronology sorted though , thats good.
Funny though eh, aluminium was more expensive than gold at one point, now ( to paraphrase) its the driftwood of the 21 st century. And Carbon. I've read about it being used it top line prestige/ expensive builds what '60's? 70's anyway but look how long its taken to become cost effective and more widely used.( someone else can comment on its inception since I'll get it wrong no doubt.:D )