Angelique???

[bromleigh]

What is "ANGELIQUE", or rather what wood is it akin to, have seen it ref"d in several WB issues, also several threads this forum..Is it readily available in vast quantities in America (NORTH??SOUTH??)
curious!!

[Dave Fleming]

Here ya go teacher. A reference source to add to your collection. Ya folla? ;)

Forests Products Info Page (http://www2.fpl.fs.fed.us/TechSheets/Chudnoff/TropAmerican/htmlDocs%20tropamerican/dicoryniaguian.html)

[bromleigh]

Tks Dave, but is it expensive and/or readily available in N.A.????

[mmd]

Yes & yes

[Dave Fleming]

Can't comment on cost but both Gannon and Benjamon on the east coast and our own RGM in the Seattle area have used it so that seems to tell me that it is available without too much trouble in North America.

[Mhija]

I seem to remember an article in WoodenBoat which
names a gentleman who imports the stuff by the container and sells it to folks like Gannon & Benjamin at what seemed like reasonable prices.
He was an on-site type who picked the trees, supervised the milling of the lumber to your specs. and then imported the lumber. This allowed
you to give him a shopping list for your project
and avoid a lot of waste/excess material. Perhaps
the folks at Gannon & Benjamin would tell you if
you phone them. Good luck and let us know if you
are able to source the wood.

[Bob Aberton]

I believe the guy you're talking about is Brad Ives, of Deep Water Ventures(I think that's what it's called...).

You can contact him at the Gannon&Benjamin website. Just search "Gannon and Benjamin Marine Railway."

[Paul Griffin]

I have emailed him at BradIves@aol.com. Ho got back to me very quickly.

[bromleigh]

tkyou all for the input. Am investigating as a potential alternative to mahog planking for next project but one.
rgrds

[Memphis Mike]

Brad Ives traveled to South America
and hand picked all of the trees
for the building of the schooner
Rebecca by G&B.

As I recall Rebecca is around 70ft
LOA. An enormous undertaking. To
read more about Ives, check out
"Wooden Boats" by Michael Ruhlman.

I believe Rebecca's backbone is Angelique
as well as a lot of the other parts of
the vessel.

[JeffH]

I'm currently working on a project that is using angelique planking (look for the 'Heron' threads). I can tell you that angelique is VERY different from mahogany. While mahog tends to be fairly light (depending where it comes from), soft and easily worked, angelique is the diametric opposite. It is extremely heavy, as my back can tell you from humping 2" X 18" X 30' planks, at around 55 lbs/ft^3. The Heron is actually planked with angelique only below the waterline due to weight issues (the rest is wana, which is kind of a composite of the properties of mahogany, teak, and spanish cedar). It's also extremely hard, which is rough on tools. Expect to go through a lot of bandsaw blades and planer knives (we have a $600 carbide shaper head that is worth every penny). Have lots of the particular size drill bits and countersinks that you will use with it, and be adept at sharpening them. It's wonderful once it's there, since you could probably break ice with the stuff with minimal damage, but boy, is it ever rough getting it there.

Plank scraps burn great in the woodstove too ;)

Jeff

[ 12-27-2002, 07:53 PM: Message edited by: JeffH ]

[JimConlin]

... and IIRC, Ed Harrow's keel baulk is angelique from Brad Ives.
Are you out there, Ed?

[Ed Harrow]

Jim, you may be from Wellesley tongue.gif , but you are correct on all counts.

You can read more details here: http://home.fiam.net/eeharrow/keel.htm

[RGM]

Here's a phone number for Brad Ives 508-725-7255, fax is 508-696-5296. Besides Angelique and Wana another wood that he markets which is worthy of consideration is Silverballi, also known as Louro in some circles. Our experience with him (thru one of our local suppliers here in Seattle) has been good, he is generous with his grading and determination of boardfeet. Good luck

[ 12-30-2002, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: RGM ]

[mmd]

If it is at all germaine to this conversation, the two Herreshoff's that I did design work on (Mobjack & Bounty) last year and which were to be built to the highest quality standards available, are being built of angelique (backbone & outer below-waterline planking), silver bali (outer topsides), Atlantic white cedar (inner planking & ceiling), and white oak (steamed frames). I believe that the Mobjack builder sourced the angelique out of Venezuela himself, but I'm not sure on that detail. Both boats are to be launched next spring.

[bromleigh]

What a veritable cornucopia of information...Thanks all!!!!
That's still CANADA, though sometimes I wonder.