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PeterSibley
07-27-2008, 04:54 AM
I just bought a copy ! The first edition ,1910 ,from a dealer here in Australia .$45 .I am waiting for the postman !:)

John B
07-27-2008, 05:21 PM
Tern II and Maud live here now. Tern has a pretty fascinating story in recent history.I've made a few threads about them over the years but the photo links will be gone now.One of my threads going back 4 or 5 years perhaps was about the American woman rebuilding Tern in order to sail her back to seattle, they made it to Tonga after a hell trip and an amazing length of time . Basically they walked off the boat and she sat and languished there for a year or two until last year ( IIRC.. time flys). She was bought and freighted back here then and will be restored by an exceptionally competent boatbuilder tradesman.

John B
07-27-2008, 05:53 PM
Maud for sale.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Boats-marine/Yachts-sail-boats/Moored-boats/auction-167462465.htm

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/69/31755569_full.jpg

Andrew Craig-Bennett
07-27-2008, 06:02 PM
That's a reasonable price, if she's in good order.

PeterSibley
07-27-2008, 06:03 PM
Thanks John ,I have some of the photos you posted originally in my files .

John B
07-27-2008, 06:40 PM
That's a reasonable price, if she's in good order.
I saw a Tahiti ketch overtaking her one weekend.....

Andrew Craig-Bennett
07-27-2008, 06:47 PM
Another childhood dream shattered!

The only thing a Tahiti Ketch overtakes is a Spray Replica!

Foul bottom?

John B
07-27-2008, 06:48 PM
There was a spray replica going around the other side.

But I'm just joking. She may well have been grubby and we slipped on past her in Waione so fast I could only get one shot ( as I recall it). I've only ever come across her sailing that once and that was back in the early 2000's.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
07-27-2008, 07:01 PM
Waione would sail rings round Mirelle, and I have, cruelly, sailed rings round Tahiti ketches and Spray replicas at OGA events...:D

I like the fourth edition best, but it is a great book.

PeterSibley
07-27-2008, 08:26 PM
Any more on Tern II John ?

John B
07-27-2008, 08:53 PM
Peter, Mike who owns her now ,works with Peter Brookes and they've got Rawhiti and Little Jim in the yard for restoration work plus the new build Bristol Channel Pilot cutter.
Mike and his family has sailed all around the world and plans to restore Tern as time and money allows. Haven't seen them for a while .( must catch up)

John B
07-27-2008, 09:07 PM
This is what she looked like after she was shipped back here.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/TernII/200_0049_1.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/TernII/200_0053_1.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/TernII/200_0055_1.jpg
There's a few more if you want them .

PeterSibley
07-27-2008, 09:15 PM
I wouldn't mind at all ! :)

How long has her transom been like that ? :eek: Quite a while by the look of it !

John B
07-27-2008, 09:48 PM
Not sure when she was docked but its a few decades ago.
Inside is cool.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/TernII/200_0058_1.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/TernII/200_0057_1.jpg

note the shipping cradle brace
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/TernII/200_0066_1.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/TernII/228_2804_1.jpg

PeterSibley
07-27-2008, 09:53 PM
Love those frames !

Is that a piece of galv box section across the aft end of the cabin ? Something strange is going on .

Thanks John .

John B
07-27-2008, 10:04 PM
She came back as deck cargo on a freighter so to brace up the cradle they just ran the box section through the coaming. Thats all going anyway.
The thirty square under the covers came from some islands inside a container. To fit her in they chopped the counter off. Sounds dramatic but same thing, its to be replaced with new timber anyway so.... chop.

PeterSibley
07-28-2008, 05:34 AM
John ,I could be very happy with Tern , just a lovely shape ! The counter would be an interesting one ,another 600mm and a small transom,slopping 15 degrees up from the counter line .

Are the original drawings still in existence ?

John B
07-28-2008, 06:10 AM
Well sure, they're in Yacht Cruising.. ......:D

PeterSibley
07-28-2008, 07:17 AM
duh !:o well later this week I'll be able to satisfy my curiosity ! I'd like to compare her with my build .

PeterSibley
08-05-2008, 06:59 AM
Hi John , well Yacht Cruising arrived today and yes there are Tern 11's lines ! A pretty thing for sure .That sawn off counter should run out in a straight line to meet the deck in a fine edge .
So far I haven't been able to find her given dimensions although (very) roughly scaling off he small scale lines drawing gives around 30'WL and originally and 38'OA .How does that sound ?

Would she have had standing headroom inside without that boxy looking cabin ?

A couple of photos from the book ...ain't she lovely ?:)

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/328839566.jpg

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/328838195.jpg

John B
08-05-2008, 05:15 PM
Sounds about right Mr Trim.
I'll chuck a tape on it when I go out there next if you like... not for a wee while though. I can't remember how much headroom she has off the top of my head ( choke splutter).

Graeme Forrest
08-06-2008, 04:15 AM
Re Tern 11, the end of the counter had been removed when I sailed on her late fifties, the mizzen being sheeted to a boomkin about 3ft long (I guess approx the end of the original counter). At that time her external appearance was very similar to the photos in "Yacht Cruising" (apart from the counter) including the bronze stantions, however the main companionway had been raised so that the front of it was the same height as the skylight in front of it. Down below there was full headroom beneath the skylights, the adults generally had to duck between the two and also forward. There was no sign of the folding berths in the main cabin, just a setee berth each side with normal lockers behind, a genuine "Blake Victory" toilet then two fixed berths and two pipecots forward which us kids occupied. I seem to recall reading somewhere, Hiscock perhaps?, that her original LOA was 39ft., she is about 36ft now.

PeterSibley
08-06-2008, 05:12 AM
Thanks Graeme ..much appreciated .I hope my build ends up with approximately similar aesthetics ,a bit smaller at 36 foot ( if I run the counter fully out to a lovely rot prone point ) rather than a small transom .....which would be 35 foot ,the stem is the same .

Andrew Craig-Bennett
08-06-2008, 05:31 AM
"Tern II" has always been one of my favourites and I suspect she was Claud Worth's favourite boat too.

Claud Worth designed a boat for his son, Tom Worth, right at the end of his life; she was called "Bittern" and was remarkably similar to "Tern II" (lines in a pre-War Yachting Monthly) but she seems to have vanished completely.

Tom Worth sailed round the world in the early 50's in a centre cockpit aluminuim cutter called "Beyond" (lines and details in Hoscock's "Voyaging Under Sail" and died soon afterwards.

Anyone know what happened to "Bittern"?

Buckets
09-01-2010, 09:34 AM
I helped to restore Tern II in 2003-2004, but had to return to the United States. I ran out of funds needed for the project. I know the female who owned her at that time. I deeply regret having to come back to the states, as I developed an admiration of her beauty and history. I never even got the chance to see her in the water. She was in Colin Silbeys boatyard the whole time I was there in dry dock. I would like to know if she is ever up for sale as I would now jump at the chance of being able to own her, and once asgain be able to work on restoring her beauty. Thanks for any info. Buckets

John B
09-01-2010, 05:32 PM
I haven't seen Mike for some time so I'm not sure whether she's being worked on or not . I have series of photos I took of Tern back then around that 04 time when she was in that yard and owned by Lynn, and then when she went in the water at West harbour.

John B
09-01-2010, 05:34 PM
but not uploaded to photobucket:rolleyes:

here's Maud though.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/TernII/31755569_full.jpg

Buckets
09-02-2010, 06:56 PM
To John B. I'd be interested in seeing those photos. I took a bunch of them while working on her revamping process. I'd like to see the ones where she was actually in water. I have plenty of dry dock photos. Would like to see the West Harbour photos. Thanks...Buckets

John B
09-02-2010, 07:08 PM
I only seem to have a couple of her in the water at her berth.

this is from the yard you'll remember...

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/TernII/105-0599_IMG_17.jpg

and at the berth in about june 03?

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/TernII/128-2818_IMG_19.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/TernII/128-2821_IMG_22.jpg

John B
09-02-2010, 07:12 PM
I loved looking at her original (Claude Worth ) gear.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/TernII/105-0565_IMG_8.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/TernII/105-0592_IMG_14.jpg

PeterSibley
09-02-2010, 11:13 PM
Well worked out hardware John !

Jeremy Burnett
09-03-2010, 05:21 AM
Re Tern 2. My friend Ben Pester, who sailed Tern to NZ in 1953, died a few weeks ago.He had just completed a book about this trip. It is to be published this Autumn called "Just Sea and Sky". I am sure it will be a good read, as is his previous book "Through the Land of Fire" about his more recent voyage to Cape Horn.

John B
09-03-2010, 05:11 PM
I'm sorry to hear that sad news about your friend Ben , Jeremy.

Stephen
09-04-2010, 10:37 PM
I just read in the current issue of Classic Boat magazine that the current owner is selling.
It's in this issue:
http://www.classicboat.co.uk/imageBank/cache/c/cb-sept2010-cover.jpg_e_8427d08e0953e10bb5c275efef64d971.jpg