View Full Version : A gun question

07-18-2008, 01:04 AM
I know it's kinda silly, because I'm talking film, but in the second "Terminator" film Arrnoold seems to be wielding a lever action shot gun. That's it, is there such a thing?

Captain Blight
07-18-2008, 01:26 AM
The short answer is, "yes."

Early attempts at repeating shotguns invariably centered around either bolt-action or lever-action designs, drawing obvious inspiration from the repeating rifles of the time. The earliest successful repeating shotgun was the lever-action Winchester M1887, designed by John Browning in 1885 at the behest of the Winchester Repeating Arms Company, who wanted to market a repeating shotgun. The lever-action design was chosen for reasons of brand recognition, Winchester being best known for manufacturing lever-action firearms at the time, despite the protestations of Browning, who pointed out that a pump-action design would be much better for a shotgun. Initially chambered for black powder shotgun shells (as was standard at the time), the Winchester Model 1901 was a later model chambered for 10ga smokeless powder shotgun shells. Their popularity waned after the introduction of pump-action shotguns such as the Winchester Model 1897, and production was discontinued in 1920. Modern reproductions are (or have been), however, manufactured by Norinco in China and ADI Ltd. in Australia, while Winchester continued to manufacture the .410 gauge Model 9410, effectively a Winchester Model 94 chambered for .410 gauge shotgun shells, until 2006.

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07-18-2008, 06:30 AM
The lever action model was more reliable than the 1897 pump model...after some usage, the sear would become worn and when you operated the slide and pushed it forward, chambering the shell, the hammer would fire the shell without a trigger pull.

Phillip Allen
07-18-2008, 06:32 AM
I think the lever gun is a fine example of how stupid those Hollywood types think we are...if nothing else, remember the Winchester was designed for 2 7/8 inch shells...wait...I got that wrong...the short shells is what I mean

07-18-2008, 07:12 AM
Yep, it's a Winchester model 1887 / 1901 in 10 gauge

(You can still get them - I saw one in a gunshop the other day)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5e/M1887_LH.JPG/800px-M1887_LH.JPG (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/M1887_LH.JPG)

07-18-2008, 08:52 AM
Actually the first shotgun was based on the long throw 1886 model, the 1892 was a short action, and the 1894 was made for smokeless powder and a long throw for the 30-30 cartridge.....the first Colt 1873 SAA marketed specifically for smokeless powder was produced in 1914 even though smokeless powder had been available for over 10 years.

Captain Blight
07-18-2008, 10:24 AM
Didn't Winchester design a cartridge around a necked-down 12-gauge brass case?

And if they didn't, then what am I thinking of?

Paul Pless
07-18-2008, 10:36 AM
And if they didn't, then what am I thinking of?No idea.