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cs
07-10-2008, 11:51 AM
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/owning-operating/97784d1205284721-how-load-backhoe-backhoe_load.jpg

http://gigazine.jp/img/2008/04/14/cartopper_material_handler/cartopper01_m.jpg

Okay so this is from an e-mail that my boss sent around the office, so I reckoned it was worth looking at.

My first thought was "cool" and second thought was it had to be a photographic manipulation. A quick search revelled that this is legit and that this is really a system. Check out the video from Herzog.

Quicktime (http://www.herzogcompanies.com/rrservices/cartopper.php#)

Windows media (http://www.herzogcompanies.com/rrservices/CarTopper.wmv)

You Tube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4toJA5EXcM)

Pretty cool.

Chad

bamamick
07-10-2008, 11:56 AM
Spinner posted that awhile back. Yeah, he can run a backhoe.

Mickey Lake

cs
07-10-2008, 11:58 AM
Must have missed that.

What about the videos? Were they posted also?

Chad

TimH
07-10-2008, 12:04 PM
Im sure OSHA would approve of that.

Popeye
07-10-2008, 12:14 PM
has he figured out how to get back down ?

cs
07-10-2008, 12:17 PM
From what I have gathered, not only does OSHA know about this but there is a patent on this system

http://www.herzogcompanies.com/index.php


Chad

Popeye
07-10-2008, 12:21 PM
so the backhoe is on the train car and the train can go as far as the next bridge..

cs
07-10-2008, 12:26 PM
I think that would worry more about tunnels rather than bridges.

Chad

Popeye
07-10-2008, 12:27 PM
not if you go over the tunnel and under the bridge

TimH
07-10-2008, 12:40 PM
it would make more sense to me just to use a flatcar and a couple of small ramps.

cs
07-10-2008, 12:44 PM
Watch the video Tim and you can see more of the applications of this.

Chad

Paul Pless
07-10-2008, 12:50 PM
It would appear that Herzog is attempting to market a 'do-all' machine at a price break for lower budget rail operators.

The following equipment is manufactured by Kershaw, about two miles from where I sit. I know a few of the engineers and fabricators that work there. I think this is a little more mainstream as far as railway maintenance.

http://knoxkershaw.com/graphics/ktc1201.jpg

this machine is part of the process that lifts the rails and sweeps the base out from under the tracks, cleans it, regrades the base, and then realigns the cross ties and the tracks.

http://knoxkershaw.com/images/kbr%20850-875/11-18-03-Side-View,Cropped,.jpg

Tom Wilkinson
07-10-2008, 10:13 PM
Im sure OSHA would approve of that.

It's funny how every thread, on any forum, where I have seen this always garners this response, even though it is a fairly standard practice. The machine has been pruposely modified for the application.

Bob Smalser
07-10-2008, 10:27 PM
It's funny how every thread, on any forum, where I have seen this always garners this response, even though it is a fairly standard practice.

OSHA? Standard practice?

I work mostly alone, which requires different technique for jobs normally done with a crew.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/3297171/277999059.jpg

Here I used 1500lb-test Jorgie clamps to set a couple beams in areas too tight for the backhoe forks to fit. The heaviest was less than 400lbs.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/3297171/282379653.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/3297171/282379651.jpg

Obviously if I work alone there was no crewmember beneath these loads. (I dismounted the hoe to take the pics.) I made the mistake of posting this in B&R thinking some newcomer would be interested in what brand of clamps to buy. You'd think I hung someone's dog. I had no idea there were so many ninnies here.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/3297171/282460329.jpg

pila
07-10-2008, 10:45 PM
Those clamps are sure handy!

Michael Beckman
07-11-2008, 03:51 AM
From what I've seen, this forum is chock full of people absolutely terrified of danger.

Must be from breathing too many fumes..

PeterSibley
07-11-2008, 04:20 AM
I've never owned a clamp I'd trust to do that with .

Ron Williamson
07-11-2008, 05:28 AM
There's real life experience and knowledge, versus ,"I know I can do it cuz I seen it on the internet."
R

Wild Dingo
07-11-2008, 05:41 AM
has he figured out how to get back down ?

Pretty much the same way he got up there... only in reverse

Machines are actually pretty simple to make "dance" as we call it just have to watch whats around you... a back hoe can climb and walk quite easily simply its a matter of utilizing the legs and buckets

Shane

Tylerdurden
07-11-2008, 06:14 AM
I've never owned a clamp I'd trust to do that with .

Stop buying Chinese crap:D

Tylerdurden
07-11-2008, 06:17 AM
I have a habit of building machinery bases by myself. I use a ramset to drive a pin and hold them in place for welding. One would think I was spraying DDT around when some of the safety guys see this.

Now I make a point of laying it out the night before and shooting it in first thing in the morning.:cool:

PeterSibley
07-11-2008, 06:18 AM
Gimme a break ! I don't own one Chinese clamp ,all Australian or German .I still wouldn't hang a lump of wood like that from clamps ....that's what chains are for !

Paul Pless
07-11-2008, 06:21 AM
From what I've seen, this forum is chock full of people absolutely terrified of danger.

Must be from breathing too many fumes..Yeah... that, and there's a few of us that may have learned from our mistakes.:D

Wild Dingo
07-11-2008, 06:24 AM
Yeah... that, and there's a few of us that may have leaned from our mistakes.:D

And a few who ACTUALLY enjoy breathing!!! :D :D and being whole :rolleyes:

doorstop
07-11-2008, 06:25 AM
Bob, common sense and ingenuity, what a combination! Goodonya mate!

Tylerdurden
07-11-2008, 06:45 AM
Gimme a break ! I don't own one Chinese clamp ,all Australian or German .I still wouldn't hang a lump of wood like that from clamps ....that's what chains are for !

Never worked in a boat shop I see. I have seen some ****e done with those clamps.
I would not stand below one hung like that but if it works, do it.
I don't think one man could slide them into saddles with chains.
Clamps are the smartest way. Bob is right on this one though we disagree on most everything else.:D

Bob Smalser
07-11-2008, 07:35 AM
Gimme a break ! I don't own one Chinese clamp ,all Australian or German .I still wouldn't hang a lump of wood like that from clamps ....that's what chains are for !

I'm familar with the whining about safety. As if I'm gonna get hurt in the cab of the hoe.

Chains? It'll be fun watching you handle the tag line with sufficient precision to set the beam end nicely on a 2X6 wall or a beam hanger as well as operate the hoe. Or I spose you could lash the beam tight to the forks using chain, but then you'd be exposed standing on it in front of a running engine for a half hour instead of 30 seconds undoing your mess.

Now I coulda strung a safety chain to back up the clamps, but with nobody else around, what the hell for? A pinch of rosin on the steel-to-steel and those clamps will hold three times the weight I'm showing.

That's why no more construction posts. If this bothers you, you don't want to see me raise walls alone. ;)

Bob Smalser
07-11-2008, 08:27 AM
PS.

The next knee-jerk safety argument is that I shouldn't be using a 15,000lb machine next to a freshly-backfilled basement wall, or the soil will give way and the wall will bow and crack.

Right.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/3297171/325047357.jpg

Well this isn't sandy loam, it's glacial till. If you backfill using 6" lifts followed by the garden hose and plate compactor you have the closest thing to concrete I can think of. 80,000lbs of tractor trailer could be run along side that wall.

Moreover, backfills done in 6" lifts by hand as I describe are the standard for first-class wall protection around here. Just because you have a crew and contractor's license may not mean you aren't doing half-assed work. ;)

No bows or cracks here.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/3297171/282664196.jpg