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Thorne
07-08-2008, 02:59 PM
I can find web articles about Lyman building some catboats, but everything else references row or powerboats.

Did they build wood lapstrake open sloops in the 50's?

TIA

Noah
07-08-2008, 03:39 PM
I will have to take a look, I have the Lyman book on my bedside table. I know they built a bunch of different sailboats over the years, some carvel, and some lapstrake.

Thorne
07-08-2008, 04:01 PM
This one is listed as a 14' open undecked sailboat rigged for oar and sail.

rbgarr
07-08-2008, 06:48 PM
I saw an open 14+/- footer advertised a few years ago on eBay. Here's a photo of a catboat from a 1935 Lyman brochure (not at all like the one I saw on eBay):

http://i37.tinypic.com/5laop0.jpg

Peter Malcolm Jardine
07-08-2008, 07:08 PM
Wow, what a fabulous little boat.... If you found one, it would be way cool:)

Thorne
07-08-2008, 07:35 PM
It ain't the catboat, as it is undecked and too narrow. Hope to get a callback from the seller, and if possible I'll get a look at it or at least get the hull #.

http://images.craigslist.org/010300011602010400200807075b98255a0593c5826000876c .jpg

Peter -- well I think so, but the woife tends to point out things like unfinished boats and trailers already lurking in the back yard. Getting dangerously close to the definition of a Redneck -- someone who needs to operate a towtruck before mowing the law...

;0 (

Thorne
07-09-2008, 11:55 PM
I suspect that the boat may be one of their outboard models, but can't find anything that looks just like it on the various Lyman sites, however.

Here's the model that may be closest, the 13' Lyman Leader -
http://lymanboat.com/hendrick.jpg

Canvas sails are in rags, mast and boom may be spruce and have all hardware.

Looks like it was modified with a huge daggerboard slot, mast step, rudder, and a hole cut in a thwart for the mast partner. Construction of the DB case and mast step is somewhat crude compared to the rest of the boat. They probably removed the foredeck and added a thwart to hold the ends of the daggerboard case, hard to say...

On what looks to be the original Lyman trailer, strange as it is. Has hull number and Lyman builder's plate. Current owner thinks he added the oarlocks decades ago, but the side stay bracket mounts look a bit like OEM...

http://www.luckhardt.com/lyman1.jpg

http://www.luckhardt.com/lyman2.jpg

http://www.luckhardt.com/lyman3.jpg

http://www.luckhardt.com/lyman4.jpg

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
07-10-2008, 01:39 AM
Sure looks like one of Sandusky,Ohio's Lyman Boatworks Boats to me.

It was common for them to do mass production or "Custom" work if the price was right.

I've seen all kinds of variations, some from the factory or restorers who make changes or improvments on their own so there are some rare beasts out there.

A great find for sure.

Whatever you wanted Lyman BoatWorks could build it and they kept the best ones for themselves to play with.

Tom Koroknay's website has a wealth of info as does Tom himself.
His forum was helpful to me

http://www.lymanboat.com/


I think it's great, another Lake Erie tested Lyman made it to the westcoast!!!

Thorne
07-10-2008, 02:43 PM
I searched that forum and all other online resources that I could find, but there is nothing on open sailboats, and very little on the Leader model. Have an email in to
Tom, but he gets lots of spam so no tellin' if it made it through to him or not.

Really think that it is a modified outboard model, but perhaps tracking it by the hull number will get more info.

Suspect it will sail like doggie doo and row worse, but hard to say....

Milo Christensen
07-10-2008, 06:56 PM
Is that skeg under the stern OEM or an add on?

Thorne
07-10-2008, 10:15 PM
Looks like OEM. I think the daggerboard case, mast step, rudder, and rigging are all add-ons by a previous owner. Mast, boom, sails and rudder must be from some similar sized sailboat.

Just got this email from Tom at lymanboat.com -


David-Hull #14559 is listed in the hull records as a 13ft Ideal which is what it appears to be in the photo, although converted like you said. Lyman did make several non production sailboats of various sizes and I believe there were some sloops in that mix but the cat was a somewhat production model in the 30's/40's. Tom

Tom Koroknay
Koroknay's Marine/Lyman Boats
3718 Lindsey Rd.
Lexington, Ohio 44904
419-884-0222
www.lymanboat.com
doclyman@lymanboat.com

ishmael
07-10-2008, 11:15 PM
The fifties were their salad days as far as power boats go. My understanding, and it's incomplete, is that they built all kinds of small boats during the thirties, and then decided small powerboats were a bread and butter. A fifteen foot sloop from 1935 makes perfect sense. Probably quite rare.

Post war, the availability of really good fir plywood made a powerboat revolution. Suddenly, quite suddenly, you could stitch together this ply hull and put some power to it. The ply was cheap, and the boats very well made. That movement lasted about thirty years.

We had a Lyman skiff from that transition. It was planked with cedar and had a big V-8 through most of its life. Around 23 feet long, it would get up and go when you pulled on that gas. But the hull form wasn't really designed for that, and the gas was a rare occasion. The hull was essentially a big row boat, widened aft to take the power. A good little sea boat.

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
07-15-2008, 12:47 AM
Glad to hear you got a reply from Tom.
He usually answers all e-mails when he gets time.
Ain't much he don't know about Lymans and he shares his knowledge well.
I'll bet it will sail and row better than you expect,let us know.

Hwyl
07-15-2008, 04:45 AM
Take the lines off it and enter it in the ProBoat design contest.

I agree with Kevin, it's from an era when a good boat was easily driven, sail air or motor.

Thorne
07-15-2008, 03:25 PM
I'd be interested, but not for the nearly $2500 he was asking. If the sailing conversion was OEM and the sails usable I might consider it.

Noah
07-15-2008, 03:43 PM
I looked through the Lyman book and couldn't find any images that were close - but I have a feeling that they didn't go into one-offs.

timo4352
02-28-2015, 10:03 PM
I realize this thread is really old, but this brochure might shed some light on this long forgotten thread.
- the lower pic and ad for the 15 ft Leader sailboat (http://www.lymanboat.com/showpic.php?img=portfolio/lyman_1875-1916/1900Brochure3.jpg) -

Dan Payne
02-28-2015, 11:33 PM
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