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Nanoose
06-24-2008, 05:56 AM
...ya know?

I've never been a sleeper. I know why, but it doesn't help the fact that I spend more nights up than asleep....that I spend hours laying there trying to nod off.....that I get to listen to Dave effortlessly sawing logs, while I am exhausted and simply unable to sleep. I'm just tired of it....exhausted, actually....

OK....I'll stop complaining. Thanks for being there, in the middle of the night, to listen. (nice that there's always someone here to be awake with you).

The Bigfella
06-24-2008, 06:00 AM
But its only 9:00pm

Nanoose
06-24-2008, 06:02 AM
There's my solution! Move! :eek:

ishmael
06-24-2008, 06:21 AM
I've never had that problem, well if something was on my mind maybe. Have you tried melatonin? It seems to induce sleepy.

My problem is I don't want to wake up. I enjoy dreamstate and resist the morning with a will.

Good luck, girl.

WX
06-24-2008, 06:25 AM
Sounds like you have too much on your mind Nanoose.

The Bigfella
06-24-2008, 06:37 AM
I got the impression the issue was the noise in the bedroom

WX
06-24-2008, 06:41 AM
Nope, more to it than that.

The Bigfella
06-24-2008, 06:48 AM
I ran a strategy conference for a client that had 24 hour ops once (cotton gins). They had a sleep specialist come in as a guest speaker.

A key point he made:

Bed is for one thing only - sleeping in. Absolutely no laying in bed reading, knitting, etc. He did allow one exception, but lets not go there. The idea being that you condition your mind to knowing that when you are in bed, it is to sleep.

I find that doing a Sudoku just before going to bed is a good way to clear the mind.

PeterSibley
06-24-2008, 07:01 AM
I suggest a dead boring book that you really are NOT interested in . Sometimes the mind decides sleep is a better alternative .

Honda_Shadow
06-24-2008, 07:30 AM
My wife uses Tylenol Sleep. Actually, the active ingredient is Benadryl - works like a charm. If that doesn't work, I tell her about my day and she's out in a heartbeat.

Nanoose
06-24-2008, 11:30 AM
I hear you. Though... my problem is a 6 year old Chesapeake Bay Retriever with severe, chronic colitis. So perhaps it might make you feel better that at least you're just not sleeping... instead of being actively forced to wake up, let a pooch out, and occasionally clean up accidents.

Last night he was up every 5-15 minutes between 12 and 4, without a break. Even the other dogs didn't sleep well last night. SWMBO and I are zombies - the pups are home snoring, now.

ugh. :(

Hey, Matt....I remember the thread about this. Did you try anything - a doggie door, letting him be outside at night....anything?

Nanoose
06-24-2008, 11:32 AM
I have things to help take care of it....sometimes I just hope tonight's the night I'll sleep (now...remember the definition of stupidity? repeating the same action thinking you'll get a different result? :rolleyes: ) ...and sometimes it's too late to take anything because of how drowsy I'll be in the a.m.

Popeye
06-24-2008, 11:48 AM
kindness includes having him put down

Nanoose
06-24-2008, 11:48 AM
No hijack! The thread is about getting some sleep, right?! ;)

Thanks for the update. Let us know how things go tonight. Poor sweetheart....you guys too!

Kaa
06-24-2008, 11:49 AM
Getting physically tired to the point of exhaustion does wonders for falling asleep.

Kaa

Popeye
06-24-2008, 11:49 AM
have a cup of tea ..

http://www.1cascade.com/images/products/7/774_nighty_night_tea.jpg

Nanoose
06-24-2008, 11:51 AM
Getting physically tired to the point of exhaustion does wonders for falling asleep.

Kaa

Ya mean like working up a sweat, or something? :eek:

I'm allergic. :o ;)

Popeye
06-24-2008, 12:02 PM
try some fresh ... eyaaawww... air

Kaa
06-24-2008, 12:05 PM
Ya mean like working up a sweat, or something? :eek:

I'm allergic. :o ;)

Yeah, well. Choices come with consequences :-)

Kaa

Popeye
06-24-2008, 12:38 PM
Right now the biggest victim of his condition is, well, me.

yes

i had a friend who , as a last ditch effort, put her cat thru transfusions and after multiple vet bills totaling over 1500 dollars the poor old cat , limp and blind .. died

i didn't see any kindness in it

Popeye
06-24-2008, 01:08 PM
take a little run up to 'western brook pond'

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/%7Eholmes2/PhotoAlbum/Newfoundland2006/IMG_1704.jpgafter all day .. you'll sleep

Nanoose
06-24-2008, 08:11 PM
Beautiful, Popeye...reminds me of Princess Louisa Inlet here

Nanoose
06-26-2008, 06:13 AM
Different day, same thing...

SOO....howzit goin out there, all? Anything exciting happening where you R? Lessee...04:00 here....07:00 in Mystic on the day of the great EBS. Margo's still gettin some beauty sleep....or maybe redoing her nails....Paul and KittyPoo are still gettin some sleep...er...are still in bed....Lew and Lindy are a bit jet lagged so definately not up yet....Jaime! Howzit!? Do you still have that coffee shop open for breakie?

Duncan Gibbs
06-26-2008, 06:21 AM
Hey Deb! 9.20pm here.

Try a little chocolate: It stimulates endorphins which in small amounts can relax an anxious brain and assist sleep. My girl, who is a long-haul flight attendant, needs something a little stronger however.

If you're not moving between time-zones and waking up/going to bed at odd hours though, try the chocolate! ;)

Nanoose
06-26-2008, 06:41 AM
mmmmm...chocolate....no one's ever suggested that before! will have to see....does it mean I have to brush my teeth, Duncan....seems like that will defeat the whole purpose.

It's getting light out...I love our long summer days here....still light at 10 at night, but it probably doesn't help with the sleep thing...

Duncan Gibbs
06-26-2008, 06:43 AM
No! Eat and sleep... Just wash it down with a little water...

Sounds like you need an eye mask too!

Duncan Gibbs
06-26-2008, 06:45 AM
Maybe this will help! :D

http://sg.inmagine.com/img/lushpixillus/unn346/u17684078.jpg

Nanoose
06-26-2008, 06:46 AM
Cute picture! :)

Now I'm into the child rapists thread....at least got my brain firing in one direction instead of thousands! :eek: A little longer and I'll probably be tired enough to try again...

Popeye
06-26-2008, 07:18 AM
and not just any chocolate bar , you can get these at walmart
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-60519427997562_2008_68044870

i think lindt has a 99% cacao bar out now , excellent for relaxation

TomF
06-26-2008, 07:21 AM
Deb,

The wife has sleep troubles, related to very high cortisol levels related to post-traumatic stress disorder. Sometimes, nothing works - all the "sleep hygeine" stuff about only using your bed for sleep, of not napping during the day, of diet, of "bedtime rituals" like reading or a warm bath to settle the brain and give it the idea ...

Only thing that's consistently worked has been consistent, vigorous exercise. When she's had upwards of an hour or more of fairly high aerobic exercise (not jut going for a walk) or fairly strenuous anaerobic exercise (from lifting weights to digging a garden), then she sleeps probably 4 times out of 5.

Getting her to do that regularly, even though it's the only thing that's worked in the 20 years I've known her? Drugs included?

Er, not.

C. Ross
06-26-2008, 07:23 AM
Whoooo, I feel for you. SWMBO's insomnia and sleep apnea are kinda related. Ever been tested?

Popeye
06-26-2008, 07:26 AM
you are not snacking right before beddy-bye .. right ?

Nanoose
06-26-2008, 07:26 AM
Nice tag line ;)

Yes....the doc does stress the exercise thing. Maybe it's time to deal with that exercise "allergy" of mine....this whole not sleeping thing is just so tiring, you know? I know you know....you live with one of us....

Nanoose
06-26-2008, 07:28 AM
C.Ross....I know whence it comes (not apnea)...

Popeye...right.

Popeye
06-26-2008, 07:31 AM
i could point to a bunch of studies , or just tell you in typical bilge anecdotal style , chocolate has an amino acid , said to help boost serotonin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin) levels , really .. over ...

Nanoose
06-26-2008, 07:41 AM
that's a great article, popeye...I've read a lot about it, but never that one. Particularly good....

Duncan Gibbs
06-26-2008, 08:13 AM
i could point to a bunch of studies , or just tell you in typical bilge anecdotal style , chocolate has an amino acid , said to help boost serotonin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin) levels , really .. over ...

Thank you Popeye! I stand corrected: Not endorphins, but serotonin! Do you know if endorphins are involved as well?

Popeye
06-26-2008, 08:21 AM
Do you know if endorphins are involved as well?

don't know , but could be .. knew someone who was a little cranky , until she went for a jog , she claimed exercise made her all pleasant and dewey like , could be endorphins kicked in

elf
06-26-2008, 08:43 AM
Exercise. Read without your glasses on before going to sleep.

Stop trying. If your body doesn't want to sleep listen to it. It's telling you something, like "I don't need sleep right now, so lemme alone". Keep doing whatever interests you until you can't stay awake any longer, then go to sleep and when you wake up, go on doing whatever you need to be doing.

marshcat
06-26-2008, 09:02 AM
I also have trouble falling asleep, and have found the following helpful:

1) Excercise - already mentioned by many, but I don't always keep up the regimen.
2) Visualize things that I associate with being asleep, or in a near asleep state. For example - dreams have wierd images, so if I start visualizing dream like things (ie a fish riding a bicycle), it helps jumpstart the process. I also visualize my alarm going off, and slapping the snooze buttton. Sometimes that helps jumpstart the process also.
3) Visualize walking through a house or town that I lived in a long time ago. I had fun trying, as an adult, to construct the floorplan of the house I lived in until I was 13. I also recovered some interesting memories that I never would have without explicit effort. This doesn't work as well as #2, but it is an interesting exercise, and at least gets you out of the rut.
4) If nothing else works (usually due to repeatedly flipping through my mental 'rolodex of worries'), I just get out of bed and read for awhile, similar to elf's suggestion.

Duncan Gibbs
06-26-2008, 09:08 AM
Deb's green light has gone out. ;)

It's 12.10am here and mine's about to do the same! Good night all!

Duncan Gibbs
06-27-2008, 07:03 AM
It's 4am in Victoria BC and the little green light is on.....

Deb? :rolleyes: :D :p

Nanoose
06-27-2008, 07:19 AM
Hey, Duncan....ya, it's me....again....(sigh)...

Duncan Gibbs
06-27-2008, 07:43 AM
Hehe! I wuz if'n you were gunna see my little post Deb. Quater to five in your neck of the woods now... Ya try the chocolate trick? Failing that a goon of red wine... :D

Think I'll have to retire to the haystack soon!