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Paul Pless
05-23-2008, 07:02 AM
There's so much out there beyond Spitfires and Mustangs.
My favorite:
Hughes H1

turn up your speakers (http://www.wrightools.com/hughes/video/HR1%20Fly_by2.wmv)

http://oregonmag.com/HughsRacePlane.jpg


http://www.wrightools.com/hughes/pictures/pl1.jpg

http://www.wrightools.com/hughes/pictures/pl2.jpg

The Bigfella
05-23-2008, 08:14 AM
Really beautiful, but a bit of a pity about the Edsel influence up front

Tar Devil
05-23-2008, 09:16 AM
http://www.polen-co.com/images/Air_Ground/03.jpg

(This one is built of wood!)
http://www.pilotfriend.com/experimental/images6/3.jpg

Beautiful and efficient...
http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20performance/images3/2.jpg

As always, my favorite little bugger...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Gee_Bee_R-1.jpg/800px-Gee_Bee_R-1.jpg

Sentimental favorite...
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/TarDevil/Airplanes/f18fc18e.jpg

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
05-23-2008, 09:37 AM
http://www.greenbeltrelay.org.uk/pictures/2000/7Comet2.jpg
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/small/8/7/8/0508878.jpg
http://www.aviationandmarineusa.com/Air_Show_Directory/Merced_2006_RWP/05.jpg

Paul Pless
05-23-2008, 10:02 AM
http://www.golfsierra.org/images/stearman.jpg

Andrew Craig-Bennett
05-23-2008, 10:55 AM
I vote with PIST for the DH88, which, incidentally, is the parent of the Mosquito.

In fact all the leaders of the MacRobertson Air Race - the DH88, the DC2 and the Boeing 247 - have a claim to exceptional elegance.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
05-23-2008, 11:01 AM
G-BRDP - landed at the botton of the garden when Sprog #1 was two.

http://rabbits.mediatafel.com/specialshapes/database/g-brdp.jpg

ishmael
05-23-2008, 03:20 PM
Wasn't Hughs' low wing monoplane the prototype of all the monoplane fighters of WWII? A strange booger, but a genius. The Bismark was attacked and disabled by bi-plane torpedo planes, but IIRC, the Japanese took strong notice when they designed the Zeke off Hughs' ideas. Obviously, parallel development, the Spitfire was taken from water racers of the thirties. Marine Spitfire? When something works, and you've got the plans in front of you by common sharing, let's go for it! Let's develop it!

IIRC, the first Russian Migs, coming off the Nazi drawing board for swept wings, had cloth covered control surfaces. The Zeros of WWII definately did.

cs
05-23-2008, 03:31 PM
Since I've already menitoned the F4U in the other thread, how about a little Lightning (P-38 style).

http://members.aol.com/tomsairtoair/p38-2.jpg

Chad

Ross M
05-23-2008, 03:45 PM
http://www.wichitaphotos.org/graphics/wsu_ms80-2.29.7.1.jpg

Spin_Drift
05-23-2008, 03:49 PM
As always, my favorite little bugger...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Gee_Bee_R-1.jpg/800px-Gee_Bee_R-1.jpg



Wow, tell me bout this one... Looks strange. Would like to hear the story behind it.

Did you fly one of these?

If so, what was it like?

cs
05-23-2008, 03:53 PM
One more

http://www.adamward.com/images/cubto.jpg


Chad

ishmael
05-23-2008, 04:02 PM
"Wow, tell me bout this one... Looks strange. Would like to hear the story behind it."

It is rather spectacular. A racer. I don't know the particulars, but in the inter-war period all kinds of people were experimenting with this new low-wing mono-plane. That one is much engine, not much wing! They raced around pylons set miles apart. The rush between pylons won the race, so give me a big ol' super charged Wright engine. This right up to the beginning of the war, for America.

A family memory. The Cleveland air races were called off after a spectacular crash with a half dozen civilians on the ground burned to ashes. But before that people from Akron to East Cleveland would make a day of it, watching those birds buzz.

It's amazing to me that in less than a generation, twenty five years, we went from string and cloth flying thirty miles and hour to these aluminum, stressed skin, wonders.

Spin_Drift
05-23-2008, 04:10 PM
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Explorers_Record_Setters_and_Daredevils/Gee_Bees/EX23G2.jpg
Granville Gee Model R-2 Super Sportster, around 1932.

switters
05-23-2008, 04:12 PM
the cub is beautiful in a sentimental sort of way. I was the shop rat at an FOB after I got out of the service and my boss had a frame hanging up in the rafters, and a bunch of parts on a shelf in the back. One day he said it was time to build the cub. So we started from the frame and he was flying it in about six months. We worked on it for a few hours after work each night. I learned to stitch and dope, and got paid in keystone light. That guy taught me that if you want something and you cant afford it, you can always build it yourself. Which is how I came to this site looking for information on building sail boats. The circle is almost complete.

Spin_Drift
05-23-2008, 04:15 PM
Found this info on BeeGee's

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Explorers_Record_Setters_and_Daredevils/Gee_Bees/EX23.htm

John B
05-23-2008, 04:16 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Hawker_hunter_t7_blue_diamond_in_planform_arp.jpg/800px-Hawker_hunter_t7_blue_diamond_in_planform_arp.jpg

http://www.aviationartsa.com/art/Aircraft/Hawker_Hart.jpg

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
05-23-2008, 04:30 PM
Camo?
http://blog.bpsite.net/photos/bullfight.jpg

uwhilna
05-23-2008, 05:04 PM
If you've got a spare million & a place to park it........http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/87/63051487_full.jpg

Tom W.
05-23-2008, 05:09 PM
The Gee Bee shown is a reproduction built and flown by Delmar Benjamin. I saw it fly at Oshkosh in maybe 2001, I believe it was soon donated to the Smithsonian after Delmar left the airshow circuit. The Gee Bee Racer was extremely fast and not easy to fly, and little was available for plans when Delmar built his. He got specs off the original in the Smithsonian, at least that was what I heard. He gave a great show, the airplane reminds me of the bumblebee which from an aeronautical engineering standpoint is quite unable to fly. But both the bumblebee and the Bee Gee most certainly do fly.

Tom W.
05-23-2008, 05:12 PM
http://www.tdmsoftware.com/majewski/rcstuff/bugatti_EAA.jpg
Bugatti Racer, hanging in the EAA museum at Oshkosh, WI

crawdaddyjim50
05-23-2008, 05:19 PM
The Bee Gee is a result of the "Bigger Hammer" theory. The smallest airframe around the most powerful engine of the day. Reduced surface area to lower drag. That thing would go like nobody's business but had a vicious flight envelope. Not at all tolerant of mistakes.

CharlieCobra
05-23-2008, 05:29 PM
Lotsa people called it a Widowmaker. I saw one fly in Phoenix one year.

seanz
05-23-2008, 05:50 PM
http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/thumbnails/550/e2c2232a-9f4f-4af4-acd7-f72a9fe63fc3.jpg (http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/news/image-gallery/aircraft/10-7.htm)



If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, this plane would get a lot of votes from those pleased to see it.
My uncle spent a day kicking stock feed out of the back of one for flood relief so there's probably even some cows and sheep that thought a C130 is a good thing.
:D

Tylerdurden
05-23-2008, 05:56 PM
http://lushipel.wh.to/FighterPlane/06_F-86_Sabre.jpg

CharlieCobra
05-23-2008, 06:03 PM
Oh yeah, F-86. Anybody got a pic of a Beech Staggerwing?

Tar Devil
05-23-2008, 06:12 PM
The Gee Bee shown is a reproduction built and flown by Delmar Benjamin. I saw it fly at Oshkosh in maybe 2001, I believe it was soon donated to the Smithsonian after Delmar left the airshow circuit. The Gee Bee Racer was extremely fast and not easy to fly, and little was available for plans when Delmar built his. He got specs off the original in the Smithsonian, at least that was what I heard. He gave a great show, the airplane reminds me of the bumblebee which from an aeronautical engineering standpoint is quite unable to fly. But both the bumblebee and the Bee Gee most certainly do fly.

Actually, Tom, the Gee Bee pictured is the R1 replica built by the New England Air Museum from original Gee Bee drawings supplied by the Granville family with the stipulation that the airplane would never fly and that the NEAM would not allow the plans to be used by anyone else to build a flying example. NEAM did, however, allow Steve Wolf and Delmar Benjamin to measure and photograph the R1 during it's construction to help them build Delmar's R2 that you mentioned. Kinda stretching the agreement, in my opinion, but I'm glad they did it!

The R1 airframe was designed around the P&W 1340, supercharged to 800 hp, and built primarily for pylon racing. The Granvilles later built another airframe but used the smaller P&W 985, pumped up to 535 HP, and with larger gas tanks for the cross country races.

The Granvilles didn't design the airplane to be easy and forgiving to fly. They made it clear from the start that the Super Sportsters would require an experienced and careful hand. If you look carefully and historically at the accidents involved with the Gee Bees, it always involved doing something with the airplane that shouldn't have been done. Most airplanes will give you one or two chances. The Gee Bee would not. Delmar proved, however, after 10 years and 1500 hours of accident free flying that the airplane is predictable and managable if you stay in the envelope.

I saw Delmar fly the R2 in 2000, the year before he retired... the best air show I can remember! He sold the R2 to Kermit Weeks' Fantasy of Flight in Florida, where the Kimball Gee Bee Model Z also resides. Kermit won't fly them, though.

Kimball Z at Fantasy of Flight
http://www.fantasyofflight.com/Images/aircraft/Geebee%20c.jpg

Remember the move Rockateer? That Gee Bee was Bill Tuner's Z (same guy who built the Comet pictured earlier), except Bill's Z had longer wings and fuselage than the original to ease it's flying qualities. Still, he damaged the airplane in a landing accident soon after completing it. He soon got a letter from one of the Granville widows, thanking him for complimenting her husband's airplanes. Then implored Bill to "never, ever fly that airplane again!"

Bill Turner's almost replica Z
http://www.museumofflight.org/Images/Uploads/Collections/Aircraft/geebeez_1_lrg.jpg

WX
05-23-2008, 06:29 PM
http://www.angelfire.com/fm/compass/sf.jpg

The Hawker Sea Fury

BrianW
05-23-2008, 06:39 PM
Kinda like the swoopy lines of the Connie...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/A_Connie_07.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/connie_16.jpg

Tar Devil
05-23-2008, 06:40 PM
Did you fly one of these?

If ever offered the chance, Spin, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Even if it were the last thing I did!! If I ever win the lottery...

Tylerdurden
05-23-2008, 06:41 PM
Oh yeah, F-86. Anybody got a pic of a Beech Staggerwing?

I think of the F-86 as the last of gunfighters that looked like a machine work of art. Just as close to perfect as one could get.

Tylerdurden
05-23-2008, 06:46 PM
Kinda like the swoopy lines of the Connie...





Got two Connies about 10 miles from me. Just one good looking airframe.


http://www.aroundmaine.com/03/auburnconstellation/popframeset.htm

Tom W.
05-23-2008, 06:50 PM
"Actually, Tom, the Gee Bee pictured is the R1 replica built by the New England Air Museum from original Gee Bee drawings supplied by the Granville family with the stipulation that the airplane would never fly and that the NEAM would not allow the plans to be used by anyone else to build a flying example. NEAM did, however, allow Steve Wolf and Delmar Benjamin to measure and photograph the R1 during it's construction to help them build Delmar's R2 that you mentioned. Kinda stretching the agreement, in my opinion, but I'm glad they did it!:"


Tar:
Thanks for the update on the GeeBees. As I said, I saw the Delmar Benjamin in 2001 and was greatly impressed.
Then there are the Connies, I get distracted by so many beautiful airplanes. Then there is this, maybe a little too contemporary, but has a place in my affections:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/jetliner/b757/b757_15.jpg

The Bigfella
05-23-2008, 06:51 PM
I think of the F-86 as the last of gunfighters that looked like a machine work of art. Just as close to perfect as one could get.

I saw a flight of Sabres do a rocket attack on a valley once. Very impressive. Made me glad that I was where I was, not in the valley.

Tar Devil
05-23-2008, 06:54 PM
Bob Hoover said the F-86 was his absolute favorite airplane.

Tom W.
05-23-2008, 06:59 PM
Bob Hoover flew an Aero Commander as had never been flown in anyone's imagination. I saw his air show act several times, nobody flew like him. True inspiration, only act I ever expect to see where the airplane is landed with both props feathered.

Tylerdurden
05-23-2008, 07:12 PM
First time I saw Hoover was in 75 at Reading. He was the highlight of the show for me. I was flying gliders at the time and he took about ten minutes with me in his plane. Definite rush to a young kid.

The other one who stands out was Art Scholl, I got to meet him on several occasions as a kid and I sat in the Chipmunk and the Pitts for a time. Cool

J. Dillon
05-23-2008, 07:30 PM
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4358/bearcar2zo1.jpg

The Grumman F8F Bear cat. I was plane captain to one in VF 133.

It had manually folding wings, about the outer 6' that one actuated by a steel bar in the wing after releasing the lock.:eek:

JD

Tar Devil
05-23-2008, 07:53 PM
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4358/bearcar2zo1.jpg

The Grumman F8F Bear cat. I was plane captain to one in VF 133.

It had manually folding wings, about the outer 6' that one actuated by a steel bar in the wing after releasing the lock.:eek:

JD

Ah, what a sweet bird!

johnw
05-23-2008, 08:34 PM
Found this info on BeeGee's

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Explorers_Record_Setters_and_Daredevils/Gee_Bees/EX23.htm

You will note that Jimmy Doolittle was about the only guy who could fly the R-1 or R-2 without crashing. A big hole in the ground or a heap of parts is slow compared to even the slowest competitor, which is why the Granvilles didn't win enough prize money to continue. I think their downfall was to concentrate too much on eliminating wetted surface. Had they made the aircraft longer, it would have been more manageable. Short coupled aircraft are hard to manage. If you've sailed a boat with a short keel and the rudder attached to it -- say a San Francisco Mercury or a 5.5 meter of a certain period -- you'll know the feeling.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
05-23-2008, 08:48 PM
The basic trainer for the Spitfire (and everything else in the RAF at the time...)

Plenty still flying. My school Physics master had one.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Dehav.dh82a.tigermoth.g-aghy.arp.jpg/800px-Dehav.dh82a.tigermoth.g-aghy.arp.jpg

abbyj
05-23-2008, 08:50 PM
No anti-fowling:D for this girl

http://www.newsregister.com/ss/goose/Photos/SandHull.jpg

paladin
05-23-2008, 09:22 PM
Don't give me an 86 Dee,
With rockets, radar and AB
They go fast, I don't care,
They blow up in mid air
Don't give me an 86 Dee...
Oscar Brand and the Roger Wilco Four........:D

johnw
05-23-2008, 10:06 PM
Now, I've really got to learn to post pix. The Hawker Fury biplane is one of my favorites.

http://homepages.tesco.net/~mrogers/CBFS/HawkerFury.jpg

But that H-1 is something else.

brad9798
05-23-2008, 10:24 PM
Love the F4 Phantom ... first jet fighter I fell in love with ...

http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/gallery/images/f4/c12-4265-1.jpg

The B17 ... still have models that I built, including dioramas of this magnificent plane!

http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/st/~jgaffney/aviation/images/ww2/b17.jpg

Corsair ... loved them as a kid ... still do.

http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/thumb/b/b5/300px-F4u.corsair.750pix.jpg

Lockhead 1011 ... FAVORITE old jumbo to fly! Loved the lines ... what a comfy plane it was! Miss them.

http://www.panamair.org/aircraft/LockheedL1011/avion_L1011-500_PA.jpg

johnw
05-23-2008, 10:32 PM
http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/thumbnails/550/e2c2232a-9f4f-4af4-acd7-f72a9fe63fc3.jpg (http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/news/image-gallery/aircraft/10-7.htm)



If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, this plane would get a lot of votes from those pleased to see it.
My uncle spent a day kicking stock feed out of the back of one for flood relief so there's probably even some cows and sheep that thought a C130 is a good thing.
:D

My dad flew MATS in Viet Nam. Sometimes they pushed a cow out the back over a village that needed protein. Not very healthy for the cow, but it was stew meat anyway. Oh, if my vegan friends ever see this post...

Tar Devil
05-23-2008, 10:45 PM
It's a simple little homebuilt... it's wood, it floats, and it's really cute:

http://www.aerofiles.com/anders-kfish.jpg

High C
05-23-2008, 11:28 PM
A couple of my faves, the Beech Duke.....and the Embraer Brasilia

http://www.mullers.net/mike/duke/ext-1ll.jpg

http://www.airteamimages.com/pics/36/36113_800.jpg

Love the Brasilia's handlebar yokes.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/1/0/0/0124001.jpg

dhic001
05-24-2008, 01:11 AM
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z231/Seaking111/C7AvroCadet-1.jpg
Lovely plane, now back in Ireland. Sadly didn't get a flight in it before it left New Zealand.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
05-24-2008, 02:26 AM
abby-j - I see your Spruce Goose and raise you...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV1eUeo27tc&NR=1

The Bigfella
05-24-2008, 06:41 AM
Its a replica, but ain't it beautiful. Eindecker III

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/2/7/4/1269472.jpg

The Bigfella
05-24-2008, 06:45 AM
Regianne Sagittario. Being an Italian WW2 aircraft, it came with reverse gear too

http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/images14/15.jpg

WX
05-24-2008, 10:13 PM
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Chino2006/Highlights/SeaFuryChino2006.jpg
I've posted this on another thread but here it is again. Seeing how I failed with the one above.

WX
05-24-2008, 10:17 PM
Bigfella, I saw the MkVIII fly with Col Pay at the controls, what a beautiful sight and sound. That merlin has such a beautiful purr to it and he flew that Spit so well.

JimConlin
05-24-2008, 11:11 PM
http://www.european-airshow.com/Portals/1/EAC%202008/PBY-Catalina-Plane%20Sailing-reduced.jpg

http://www.iflyez.com/N961EZ.jpg

http://www.stelzriede.com/ms/photos/planes/mosqto9.jpg

pila
05-25-2008, 03:08 AM
Thanks for all the nice pix you folks. I was taught to fly many years ago in a Luscombe, and still have one, as well as a little Cessna 120 with a big engine. (It's what I can afford fuel for these days)

One of my friends was in the National guard in the 80s, flying F4s. He gave his Dad a buzz job while pop was on the tractor and didn't hear him coming. Pop didn't talk to him for a few months.

The Bigfella
05-25-2008, 03:46 AM
Speaking of the late Col Pay - who was killed in an aviation accident about a year ago IIRC, here he is in two shots I took a couple of years ago at the controls of his P40 Kittihawk

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/igatenby/colpay2.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/igatenby/colpay1.jpg

uwhilna
05-26-2008, 12:00 AM
Check out this promo for a doco made in a shed !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZcOftoM0LQ

Woxbox
05-26-2008, 10:12 PM
How about these modern sailplanes for beautiful? Talk about pure function creating a beautiful shape.


http://www.easternsailplane.com/catalog/images/asg29.jpg