Okay you blokes!! Question regarding timbers

[Wild Dingo]

Went to a timber auction today...
Got some irristible Jarrah which I know is an awesome boatbuildin wood here (right sizes too!) along with:
Maranti (150x200x38x4.2mtrx15lengths and 200x38x4.2mtrx8 lengths)
Kapur (150x75x3.9mtrx7lengths) Septer(300x25x6mtrx10lengths)

Nice big long usable lengths :cool:

So question is... what the blazes is this Septer and Kapur stuff? and is it any good for boatbuildin? Comes by way of Malasyia I think

I couldnt resist it... there was so much Jarrah and heck Jarrahs available everywhere here for a song so I thought why not get the different stuff and see how much I get it for? so I did and boy was I surprised at the price... Im not tellin!! :D

Anyway Chuck or anyone know what the devil this Septer and Kapur are good for?

Thanks in advance

[ 09-01-2005, 08:38 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[ssor]

http://wwww.cirad.fr/activites/bois/en/syst/asia/kapur.pdf

That's all I could find.
Ross in Bel Air

[Del Lansing]

A short google tells me septer is rightfully named sepetir; and Kapur with mineral inclusions will be tough on your cutting tools but is resistant to very resistant to decay.
edit to say sepetir is gummy and will fowl your cutting edges.

[ 09-01-2005, 08:04 AM: Message edited by: Del Lansing ]

[ssor]

http://www.mtc.com.my/publication/library/mt100/light/sepetir.htm

Different google search, very difinitive.

[paladin]

Shane...I dunno the wood by those names...I will try to find local Thai names for it....

[boat fan]

smile.gif
My old wood working text book from high school
includes boat building among Kapur`s uses.
Used in the eastern australian states as fence
rails, comes from Indonesia,also a note saying
"not very stable when dry " heavy and I`ve used
it for joists and bearers on a large outdoor deck.Some lengths over 8.0m

[Wild Dingo]

Well thank you gents! :cool:

I knew that Meranti had been used quite extensively for building small boats but was wondering how it would go in say 25ft or so?...

I had a read of the info on the other two woods but saw nothing about boatbuilding... mmm will have to keep checkin

Okay no worries thanks again cheers! :cool:

Ooops just noticed that "not very stable when dry" boatfan... all this timber has been air drying since 1996 hence is 9 years dry and not arguing with you but it seems really stable compared to the Tuart Ive got that was tryin to explode or implode once it got dry for a couple of years :eek: ... this looks terrific just some minor splits at the ends nothing beyond that in any of them... I have had a bit of a longer read of all that info and it seems I did done good eh?!
Cheers! :cool:

[ 09-01-2005, 08:45 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[boat fan]

Hey Dingo, you done very good !!!
The "not very stable when dry "comment
was straight out of the old text book ...
If this stuff has been drying for that long , I don`t think you`ll have too many worries..
The joists and heavy bearers under our deck have been there for about 12 years or so , no problems
at all.The actual decking is Keruing , and is still looking great too.You do have to drill for fasteners near the ends to stop splitting. smile.gif

[boat fan]

Hey Dingo if you Google Kapur (on Australian sites)it definately lists Kapur as a boatbuilding timber.The Keruing on our deck is70 x22 mm and is as staight as a stringline after
all these years.It`s really quite good stuff.... smile.gif

[Wild Dingo]

:cool: Well now that solves the mystery eh!! I did definantly do good today... not everyday that happens but by gar I think today was a good day! :cool:

Okay so once unpacked and restacked in the humpy will take photos... then mmmm gotta buy some of that cheep ply I founded the other week at a salvage yard looked to be purty damned good it did 1/2in thick no voids or anything contrary to be seen... an as our Kiwi mates say "cheep as chups"... mmm make a fine boatbuildin floor in the humpy Im thinkin... yeah yeah I said I wanted a shed but heck the shed can flamin well wait its near warm enough to start something!! :eek:

Just gotta make a partition of some sort to keep out the pesky wet stuff that just wont buggar off!! :mad:

Thank you kindly ol son cheers! I owe you one :cool:

[Graham Knight]

THIS (http://www.woodbook.co.uk/A%20-%20B.htm) is a very good website for info on hundreds of different timbers. They list Kapur but I couldn't find Septer, or Sepetir, it may be listed under another name though, best if you can find the Latin botanical name to avoid confusion.

[botebum]

I don't want to get off topic, but, I know that by "timber" you mean "lumber", but , for the life of me, "humpy" has got me stumped. Pray Tell Dingo, what the hell is a humpy? :confused:

[boat fan]

A "humpy" is a makeshift shelter built out of
"timber" or any other material such as corrugated
iron etc. A quick and dirty way to provide cover. :D

[Wild Dingo]

Or it could just be the Aussie way of sayin Quonset hut? or what used to be called a Nissan hut only without the corrigated iron with some sort of thick shadecloth stuff covering it

Like so...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid165/pf77dd9df37429f922e61e4641c3e1b5c/f469eb3a.jpg

Man that was what only 4 months ago!! wouldya look at it now!!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid184/p925053ed467e77eb102875327fa87a0d/f27d0607.jpg

And the timber just keeps growin!!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid184/pd68e0dc89548ecd1943b319484d1476a/f27d0dda.jpg

Ive been thinking about getting some corrigated iron and some steel and making some ends with doors so I can make a wood floor for some of that and put me tools inside but am presently checking out costs of sheds as they are rising in price really rapidly for some reason I will probably just get another 40ft ctainer and dragging them closer to the house hook up the power whack a roof over the two of them leaving a nice 15ft x 40ft gap between the two concrete that and cut some doors into the ctainers... but heres where its at with my tools just now bloody cramped and most are way down the back :rolleyes:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid184/pf7ed4eb23157871bdd9f07346be58699/f27cef4f.jpg

And until I sort that need out hopefully in a few months I will keep doin this...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid184/pcadac9c0bfb70e538a234d03b6873ae2/f27d3427.jpg

and fillin that bloody great humpy with whatever timber I can get my hands on!

[ 09-04-2005, 02:05 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[WX]

Wild Dingo there's a plastic material called Solarweave...i think, of course iron would be cheaper if you can get it to take the curve.
Your humpy is a great space to build a boat though, I dream of a structure like that.

[shamus]

What breed of Table saw is that Dingy?

[Wild Dingo]

The breed of table saw is a Sherwood sold by Timbecon here in West Aussie... the 10in blade with induction 3hp motor TSC-10HB model Ive just recieved the sliding table attachment for it but havent the room in the ctainer to set it up :(

Interestingly most of my new tools are from the same mob! And all are that wonderful puke orange color ;)

I think that may be the stuff WX and I wouldnt mind covering it with corrigated iron but mate shes somewhere around 70ft long by 25odd foot wide by 20ft high at the apex and bloody corrigated irons gone through the roof just recently over here!! cost a bloody fortune to cover it with that stuff.... but your right its perfek for boat building I reckon and thats what she will be used for eventually... for now shes a storage shed for Yaz and Dans gear, a wood dryin shed for the logs and a cover for the boards shes also a bolt hole for yours truely when I get the need for silence :cool:

Oh and as a bit of a hint heres the pic of the wood and theyre named!! pretty cool eh? :cool:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid184/p8240a0471aff02d65934baf721e3da4d/f27bc79d.jpg

[ 09-04-2005, 10:54 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[WX]

John Williamson did a great song called "All Australian Boys Need A Shed", you may be familiar with it WD ;)

[ 09-04-2005, 06:32 PM: Message edited by: WX ]

[WX]

WD I was outside doing my bit for global warming by burning a pile of old branches and I got to thinking, sometimes when the conventional is out of reach the unconventional must serve. Old rollerdoors can be picked up for nothing or a small price from tips or garage door fitters or manufacturers.

[Paul Pless]

damn dingo! congratulations on the growing wood pile! :D

[Lucky Luke]

Wouaouh, Shane! That is a pleasant view that your"timber/lumber" and these woodworking machines smile.gif ...i just don't recognize you as the guy sitting on it...did you cut your hair or what :confused:

To be frank, I was starting to wonder if you were really serious about building a boat one day...and I am surely not the only one redface.gif . But so happy to see that you ARE going to do it! Yes, that looks good, that looks VERY good!

So, it's just time to remind you that I can be of some help, which you know... ;)

[botebum]

Thanks for setting me straight on the definition of a humpy. I told the wife I wanted a humpy and she told me to wait until the young'un went to bed. I said, "no dear, in the back yard." She told me that she wasn't in a kinky mood, forget it. :D

[Wild Dingo]

:D Love it mate!! gawd hadnt had a good laugh here for a fair while now so thanks botebum :D :D

Luc as Ive said to others here before {maybe even yourself mate?)... I take things very very steady I think things through I organize things individually I make sure as much as Im able that everything I need is right in place before I actually start or as close as it can be... just the way I am... I think its cause Ive been caught unprepared before with other things that I now make damned sure Im good and ready before I actually start anything... sadly though it now seems to take me forever sometimes to get there :rolleyes:

But as you can see Im almost there... steady steady :cool:

Im about to take the bottom 4ft off that humpy and change it for some shade cloth Ive scored... the timber that is presently covering that section the whole length both sides is 1in x 8in Jarrah 8 years sittin there! So another 94 or so planks to add to the 50 odd planks Ive just got and theres my hull :cool: with the other timbers/lumber Ive got the frames and such are there as well so really the only thing stopping me is somewhere to put the tools so I can use them

In other words I have a shed to get and erect and I will start no worries ;)

Give me a hoi on the email mate :cool:

[Klaus]

Dingo, I believe meranti comes in two flavours, white and red. The white stuff is very light but not well suited for boat building. The red stuff is denser and is the one to use on boats. The colours are very obvious, I am not sure if the difference is from the same tree (heart & sap wood?).
Jarrah is a bit heavy, what kind of boat do you have in mind? On my boat there are jarrah stiffeners around the bottom of the C/B case, the centreboard has some jarrah in it and I made 6 horn cleats out of jarrah which so far (6 years) have refused to give or break despite me frequently trying to stop the moving 2 ton boat with a rope from the cleat to the jetty post at the ramps.

Tell me, where is that magnificent shed located? You must have oodles of room for it and the containers. I'm in Perth, tiny back yard, full of sheds :D

Klaus

[WX]

My youngest daughters name is Jarrah (now 22), sort of a symbolic link to my West Oz origins.
I plan to add a few bits of Jarrah trim to my boat as well, wishing I had brought more over with me last road trip.

[Wild Dingo]

Klaus Im south of you small country town and lovin it!! Dont think I could live in Mandurah again even if I wanted to let alone Perth (emails in the profile)

WX when your ready mate give me a hoi I'll pick you up from the airport or where ever and give you a wee chunck to take back :cool:

[WX]

I might just take you up on that WD. I have a brother living just south of the cut at Mandurah and I haven't seen him for a while.

[ahp]

I thought a "Tin Humpy" was a makeshift home built out of whatever the proud owner could find, very often old metel cans, flattened and odd bits of wood and plastic. In Australia is it is the kind of shelter that the Australian Aborigines build on the outskirts of towns and cities?

Never been to Australia, but I have seen such construction elsewhere, like in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

[botebum]

I like my wife's definition. I'm just trying to think of a better way to ask her. :D