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Lew Barrett
03-10-2008, 04:54 PM
Tom Cruise on Scientology to be precise. This is old, but I just saw it for the first time. It's a ten minute clip, three or four probably is enough to get the picture. If you can watch it all the way through, you're more patient than I am. What the hell is he talking about?

While I'm at it, here's where I drew it from....Flying Spaghetti. Interesting link, and far more informative than Tom is on a wide range of religious discussion.

http://www.venganza.org/

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
03-10-2008, 05:01 PM
http://www.venganza.org/2008/03/05/secret-pastafarian-video-exposed.htm

Keith Wilson
03-10-2008, 05:05 PM
May you all be touched by His noodly appendage.

Ramen.

ishmael
03-10-2008, 05:41 PM
A little remembered bit of lore. L. Ron Hubbard, a struggling sci fi pulp writer, was sitting with his friend Robert Heinlein, drinking, when he hatched Scientology. He was tired of making scratch in the pulp market for sci fi fiction of the time, so he turned and said, "Bob, I'm gonna found a religion." Which he did, in spades.

I don't know much about Scientology. The little I've read seems a mishmash of science fiction and popular psychology. But then, it is a religion. ;)

Tom Montgomery
03-10-2008, 05:48 PM
He Knows. He is here to help. And he cannot go on vacation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PDv0fMyzYA&feature=related

Lew Barrett
03-10-2008, 10:39 PM
I'm so embarrassed! I left the all important direct link to Tom's explanations and amazing insights out of the first post, though it is discoverable in the first link!

"I have to do something."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0

Larks
03-10-2008, 10:43 PM
What the............??? What is KSW?

Lew Barrett
03-10-2008, 10:45 PM
I don't know much about Scientology. The little I've read seems a mishmash of science fiction and popular psychology. But then, it is a religion. ;)

Ish,
If you watch the video, you'll learn all you ever need to know about it, and possibly all there is to know.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0

ishmael
03-11-2008, 08:28 AM
Lew,

I can't watch vids on this dial up, but I've seen enough of the wild-eyed Mr. Cruise spout about it to get a sense of the fervor the "true believer" holds. I've yet to see him confronted with the actual roots of his faith.

I happen to believe that we have a native religious impulse, essentially a desire to connect to a baffling universe. So long as you aren't hurting anyone, and aren't demanding I believe what you believe, it's fine with me.

Popeye
03-11-2008, 08:40 AM
sounds like fun , how much does it cost to join up ?

do i get a free travel bag ?

hansp77
03-11-2008, 09:05 AM
I used to work for a company owned and managed in every level above my level of management (save for one maybe two individuals) who were scientologists.
Bizzare people. Great at business. Through them and in that time on my own I learn't a bit too much about that 'religion'.
In one instance the lady directly above me had a bit of a problem (one amongst a full hand of such), of dipping her hand in the till, and coming back with bags of designer clothes, most often writing out fake receipts by forging my signature.
It was not by my actions,
but one day she just disapeared, to come back a couple of months later- reformatted and 're-educated'.
Totally freaky.

One interesting point I learned is of the responsibility of 'members' to dobb in other members for anything against the rules- such as, if one scientologist hears another say anything negative or critical about E. Hubbard, or make any attempt to re-interpret any of his writings in any (unauthorised) form- then, when this person doing the ill-deed is eventually found out, and interrogated over the e-meter, any other member whose name comes up who witnessed or knew about the act who did not dobb them in is judged equally guilty of such 'crimes' and is promptly treated to the same 're-education' and interrogation, and in this interrogation the same rule applies.

Interesting bunch.

hansp77
03-11-2008, 09:10 AM
sounds like fun , how much does it cost to join up ?

do i get a free travel bag ?

no, but they will give you free cookies and a warm drink if you walk in off the street for a 'free personality test.'

Naturally of course they will find a myriad of serious problems with your personality (you might just score off the chart Popeye;):D), problems that of course they can help you fix and overcome.
They might even set you up with a job, help you out in lots of ways, so that in the future you can afford to start paying your way up the process of OT levels.
(OT= Operating Thetan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_Thetan))

DavidS
03-11-2008, 09:39 AM
I have looked into this in the past and you can find some really interesting descriptions of Scientology on the internet, including the descriptions of what is involved in gettting "audited" and going up through the Thetal Levels.

In terms of its originator, the quote I had seen was similar to what is mentioned above. After failing in businesses and marriage problems he said something like "I want to get into religion because that is where the money is." The rest is history. It's also interesting that they were investigated by the US Gov't and for a while their "headquarters" was a ship that moved around.

Actually, I've seen that ship (twice!!) as it is usually docked in Bonaire (or sometimes moves to Curacao). Hey, at least they have a boat!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freewinds

I actually am more attracted to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. They get to talk like pirates. And..... in heaven they have strippers and a beer volcano!!!!!

All Hail Xenu !!

Lew Barrett
03-11-2008, 10:01 AM
I actually am more attracted to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. They get to talk like pirates. And..... in heaven they have strippers and a beer volcano!!!!!

All Hail Xenu !!

Me too. The Scientology thing with Cruise was just the bait:D But fresh and tasty bait! I swear I'm not a troll!

Basir
03-11-2008, 10:47 AM
Spot on parody for those who have seen the clip.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3f716ffebe

Lew Barrett
03-11-2008, 11:11 AM
Lew,
.... and aren't demanding I believe what you believe......

They may fall down a bit at this part, Jack.