Any Owners /Fans of Sam Crocker's Designs Out There?

[John Boone]

Realizing it's the season for politics, bikinis, tatoos, religion and cameras in the Bilge, at least till the ice goes out in most places, I'll not be surprised if there are no posts here but here goes. ;)

With as many members as this forum has, it seems there might be numerous owners or fans of Sam Crocker's boats and designs. As one of those owners, I would like to see if we can draw out any and all lurking Crocker owners and fans and hear a little about their boats or boats they have admired that were designed by Sam Crocker and either built by the Crocker Yard or one of the many boatbuilders who built to his plans.

Anybody willing to give it a go? If so, please give us a bit of info about your boat. Please include photos if possible.

I'll confess first to get things started.

I am the proud owner and caretaker of Whampoa. Built by Sturgis Crocker in 1962 in the Crocker Yard from Design #330.

She is mahogany planked over oak frames and bronze fastened. Cutter rigged with a 59 HP Izuzu diesel.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/jsbpbacct/SV%20Whampoa/WhampoaDesign-330Profile.jpg

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http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/jsbpbacct/2008%20Chesapeake%20Sail%20with%20George%20Luzier/IMG_6098.jpg

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[rbgarr]

Probably not what you were hoping for but I like this Crocker design:
http://i28.tinypic.com/2ykhohf.jpg

[John Boone]

Thanks for posting. I have no preconceived ideas only hopes that we might get to see and hear about some wonderful old boats from the Crocker era.

[T.A.R.]

I have Good Fortune ex Laura S. design #181. She was built in Harwich Port at the Lees' Yard 1939.
The slip next to me this winter contains Lands End I don't know her design #.

[StevenBauer]

Whampoa is stunning, John.
There is a Crocker a few miles from my house that needs a complete rebuild.

Design # 76

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/bauerdad/crocker%20ketch/IMG_1658.jpg

[John Boone]

Good morning T.A.R., would you care to share any photos of Good Fortune? I see her sailplan in Sturgis Crocker's book on his fathers designs but there are no photos. Thanks for posting.

John

[Tylerdurden]

I never heard back from the guy with the promise Steve.
We will have to see if the plans will come back.

[John Boone]

Good morning Steven, has anyone shown any interest in Snow Goose yet? I saw the earlier thread on her. Have you seen her up close? I hate to see any of these wonderful craft slipping away and sure hope someone steps up.

John

[Tylerdurden]

I looked hard at her two years ago but passed because of the extent of work and its a bit small for my needs. Some guy has the owners set of plans and has promised a build but so far a year has passed with no action. I think the owner is open to get things going.
The boat is super complete with some extra materials.

I would love to see her with a home, if anybody is interested I will do what I can to make it happen, I am sure Steven would too.

[Northernguy59]

"snowgoose"...... what's her story?

Dale

[StevenBauer]

I don't really know John. Mark brought me over to see her. She needs a lot of work. I'm afraid time is running out for her.


Steven

[StevenBauer]

Here's the thread Dale: www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=74291

[John Boone]

Thanks Steven, I appreciate the compliment.

T.A.R., I believe Lands End was built from Design #168 in 1935 by the Britt Brothers in West Lyon, Mass for Lee and Harry Loomis.

Woodonwater is another forum member currently working to bring back Tamara, design #125. I hope James posts on his progress soon.

Redbopeep has Mahdee, design # 131, built in 1931 by the G.F. Lawson yard in Dorchester, Mass. I hope she will post an update here as well.

Thanks to all who have posted so far. Keep it up.

John

Note: I edited this post to correct my error regarding Tamara and Seacrest. Apologies for any confusion.

[John Boone]

One Bump for good measure!

John

[johngsandusky]

I'm an admirer. My dream boat is Kittiwake, a 37' Schooner. I've seen Chataucqua (originally Joloma II) on the mooring, and she's truly one of the most beautiful sailboats I've seen in a lifetime of looking. Her lines are quite similar to Kittiwake.

[T.A.R.]

Hey Steve, that's the ticket, I've loaned my Crocker book out and couldn't check. Thanks

[redbopeep]

Yep, we've got Crocker #131 aka Mahdee. She was launched in 1931 and she's had a few different names through the years, it seems that she was Pandora II (or III) at some point in the late 30's-40's timeframe and then Privateer in the 1960's - 1980 time frame. The previous owner returned her to original name in the early '80's. She was in very rough shape when we got her in August 2006, we began rebuild in the fall of 2006 and expect relaunch this summer. We keep a blog of her rebuild which is (sometimes...) up to date. There's a website in the blog link with a lot of history and pics of the boat. There's a link to the blog at mahdee.com. But, you gotta register to get into the blog. Painless but keeps the riff-raff and spammers away.

The attached pic shows her with her (reefed down) sliding gunter mainsail. The main was updated with a taller mast and Bermuda rig in the 1937-1939 timeframe.

In terms of folks who don't post here on the WBF who have Crockers, I know of Tyrone who's design...ummm.. don't have the book here, but thinking #202 or so and built in 1939. The link... http://www.chathamclassicyachtcharters.com/? She's in Massachusetts. Also, Skookum III, design #142 is in San Diego. And there's Pagan Moon who's built from design #100, (Sea Dawn). There's a link to Pagan Moon here http://schooner36.com/?q=node/4


http://www.mahdee.com/images/m1a.jpg

[Woodonwater]

Hello fellow Crocker owners and enthusiasts:

I am in the process of restoring Tamara as John mentioned. She is a #125 design, same as the Seacrest, but NOT the very same boat. I think there were five made to this design. I would enjoy hearing what exactly happened to the original Seacrest. I have her Blue Water Medal awarded to Dr. Paul Sheldon for his cruises to Labrador in '47 to '66 I think it was. It's a beautiful medal.

My restoration process is slow and painful (to the pocketbook and the skinned knuckles) Some fine day, she will show her amazing lines once again to the world. Right now it's tarpville on the hard. I would post pictures, but I find it kind of a pain. Perhaps soon. John, You are welcome to post the ones I sent you if you have the time and desire.

Poor old Snow Goose. That is an apt name. Unfortunately, she is far less of a boat and far more of a TEMPLATE for a boat at this point. I would know about such things and Tamara looked better than she did. Nevertheless, thanks to Mark for bringing her to our attention. Skip Crocker might have interest, have you contacted the Crocker Boatyard? Mark, I would still be interested in parts if that opportunity arises. Keep me posted on the owner's wishes.

I am not sure how to go about it, but it makes sense to start a Crocker Owner's Registry that is kept current...how about a Crocker Owner's Group...C.O.G. :)

Anyway, thanks John for your encouragement. This project has gone way, way beyond what I expected it to be in terms of scope and costs. I was warned and didn't listen. For now, I am hanging in there.

I am still firming up the details for the new deck. I see you have a glass/painted deck with an off white finish. Together with bright wood it looks great. I have just recently given up on the expense and headaches of a laid deck. I figure I have enough to do as it is, and someday I can put veneer planking down if I choose. So, I have already bought 3/8" Meranti ply (as a subdeck for 1" laid decking-which is now not going to happen) My thought is to apply this ply decking, after sealing in CPES and painting the exposed bottom, in either 5200 or Sikaflex right on to the deck beams. (I know some on the forum are adamantly opposed to this since it would be hell to remove...maybe a hot knife/putty knife blade would break the seal if necessary?) The old deck beams could use the added stiffness, and it would eliminate additional fasteners by gluing down.

Over that, I would use stiff roofers tar between that ply layer and another layer of Meranti, say 1/2" or 5/8". Tar to be trowled to both sides and fastened with ss screws. Over this I would glass it all in and apply paint and non-skid. Any thru fastenings would be pre-drilled and sikaflex or 5200 injected into the holes and on the screw threads, and dofinite applied to the thing being bedded.

I know there will be lots of fur flying over this method...but that's the current plan...ask me tomorrow and it will have changed!



John,

I see Whampoa did not have exposed chainplates in the drawings, but they are now on the outside. I have been told it would be a good idea for my older boat to have them exterior but I don't care for the interuption of her lines. Your thoughts? I am going with galvanized and painted to save costs.

Also, I notice you have a toe-rail, not a bulwark. I like the look on Whampoa. I really don't need the bulwark and cap rail on Tamara and it would be easier to build a toe-rail. What's the story on Whampoa? (Sorry if I already asked these questions some months back)

Take care all,
James

[John Boone]

redbopeep, thanks for your post and the update on Mahdee. Thanks for the links on the other Crocker boats. I will see if I can contact them as well.

James, first my apology for my confusion regarding the Tamara/SeaCrest relationship. An error on my part.

We have been sewing a canvas boat cover for Whampoa today so I'll make this post short tonight. I will post the photos you sent in the morning.

I don't know if the chainplates were external in 1962 but I will try and find out. Whampoa is one of the two boats in the photograph on the cover of Sturgis Crocker's book, "Sam Crocker's Boats: A Design Catalog" printed in 1985. Her chainplates were external in that photo although they were painted to match the hull and whale stripe. I plan to contact the Crocker yard this week and will try to verify the original installation.

I will respond to your toe rail inquiry in the morning. Time for another rum this evening....

Good night all.

John

[redbopeep]

I'm glad to see the other Crocker owners here! That's very nice :)

If you Crocker folks would like it, I can easily set up a yahoo group for us. I am a member of such a group for the Rawson 30 and it is very nice. People are able to post files, pics, and questions as well as comments like in the WBF.

While I think the WBF is great for what we do hiere, the Yahoo Group might be a good thing to archive documents and info of interest to Crocker owners.

Let me know...

[Woodonwater]

Redbopeep,

I think that would be great! We need this sort of resource. Skip Crocker told me they would like to have a registry and forum on their website, but they don't have anyone to administrate it (if I recall his comments correctly). So, yes, I think we should have this. For example, I received the Specifications for #125 recently and it is much more detailed than the 5 or so pages you received for Mahdee. I have used your specs to 'crib' from since mine are hard to decypher. I was planning on sending you a copy of mine, just in case they are useful to you. I should be finished in two weeks or so.

I noticed in my specs that no ply was called for in the subdeck, but a 1/4" ply subdeck was installed anyway. Both of the shipwrights working on Tamara feel strongly that I should glue down the new 3/8" ply, well sealed first, onto the deck beams with 5200, and then bed the 1x deck planking in 5200 on top of that. I had said in yesterday's post that I was going to use two layers of ply....but I did say I'd probably change the approach tomorrow! Ugh.

Redbopeep, I have been swamped with work and have lost track of the insightful advice you gave me regarding your experience with Mahdee's deck. Could you weigh in again on my decking dilemma?? I have also drawn some CAD details of the condition which I would like to convert to PDF and have someone post here for me. John?

Thanks

James

PS-Have a rum for me John...I could use one!

[redbopeep]

Redbopeep,

I think that would be great! We need this sort of resource. Skip Crocker told me they would like to have a registry and forum on their website, but they don't have anyone to administrate it (if I recall his comments correctly). So, yes, I think we should have this. For example, I received the Specifications for #125 recently and it is much more detailed than the 5 or so pages you received for Mahdee. I have used your specs to 'crib' from since mine are hard to decypher. I was planning on sending you a copy of mine, just in case they are useful to you. I should be finished in two weeks or so.

I noticed in my specs that no ply was called for in the subdeck, but a 1/4" ply subdeck was installed anyway. Both of the shipwrights working on Tamara feel strongly that I should glue down the new 3/8" ply, well sealed first, onto the deck beams with 5200, and then bed the 1x deck planking in 5200 on top of that. I had said in yesterday's post that I was going to use two layers of ply....but I did say I'd probably change the approach tomorrow! Ugh.

Redbopeep, I have been swamped with work and have lost track of the insightful advice you gave me regarding your experience with Mahdee's deck. Could you weigh in again on my decking dilemma?? I have also drawn some CAD details of the condition which I would like to convert to PDF and have someone post here for me. John?

Thanks

James

PS-Have a rum for me John...I could use one!

I'll get something up and running on the Yahoo Groups site later on today. I'll use the Rawson 30 site that I'm a member of as a template. You should be able to upload cad files there after I'm done with the setup. If you want a .pdf, by the way, there's a freeware product out there that lets you print files to a pdf format. It is called CutePDF and you should be able to download and install it as a printer on your system.

Regarding your deck, um...I was cringing a little when I read your prior post here :(. Dunno what happened with your laid deck plans but we probably should talk/review on the phone or something. I'll post what we did on our deck on the "new" yahoo group as an incentive...:rolleyes:

[John Boone]

Photos posted for Woodonwater Re: SV Tamara

Ongoing restoration work:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/jsbpbacct/Open%20to%20All/SV%20Tamara/DSCN5391.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/jsbpbacct/Open%20to%20All/SV%20Tamara/DSCN5389.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/jsbpbacct/Open%20to%20All/SV%20Tamara/DSCN5386.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/jsbpbacct/Open%20to%20All/SV%20Tamara/DSCN5383.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/jsbpbacct/Open%20to%20All/SV%20Tamara/DSCN5380.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/jsbpbacct/Open%20to%20All/SV%20Tamara/BlueWaterMedal.jpg

Over to you James for any additional comment or explanation of the ongoing work. You may have already covered this elsewhere in other posts.

John

[redbopeep]

OK, I actually set up the group. I made it such that you have to be a member to see messages as well as to make posts and upload files, etc. There's nothing there at the moment, just the group. I felt silly writing myself a message as currently I'm the only member. So, please go sign up so I can talk to you'all other Crocker owners and folks interested in all things Crocker!

Here's the location: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crockerboatowners

:)

[sawcutmill]

In the pics of framing, may i make a suggestion?
Since you are using PurpleHeart for deckbeams, why not lay a proper deck?
Secondly, frame ends should be bolted to sheer clamp. and faired.
Thirdly, you Do Not want the ends of the scarphs so closely spaced, they should probably span at least three frame bays further and staggered more, just my opinion.
stephen

[Woodonwater]

Redbopeep,

Thanks for doing that. I will sign up later today.

Sawcut,

We are putting a proper laid deck, probably 1" mahogany and bedding the planks in 5200 over 3/8" Meranti ply and caulking the seams and paying them with sikaflex or equal. (At least that is the way both shipwrights are insisting is best) Interestingly, the system that was on there for the first 60 years was 1/4" ply with 1" mahogany. The ply was fastened to the sheer strake and the ply ran out to the edge with no rub rail. This connection was fine in almost all locations, except where the chainplates had rusted out and infected the sheer planks. The fasteners had rusted out but the joint was clean between the ply and sheer planks (except in the fastener hole, but that came from the above rotten wood planking, not in a crack made by boat flexing). I mention this because the plan is to fasten the new ply to the sheer planks with copper nails, predrilled if necessary and glued with 5200. There has been discussions about NOT fastening the ply to the sheer planks to allow movement. I don't see that this has been the failure spot.

I AM concerned about glueing the ply down to the deck framing. Most on the forum are loathe to do it, because of future removal/repair issues. The added strength is a plus, but the "hot knife to separate them if needed" approach gives me pause. What a mess. I guess if we do everything right, and we will strive for it, then the ply should not have to come off for 50 years.

On your second item, the boat has some frame ends through bolted to deck beam ends, but not through the clamp. I am inclined to replace the fasteners that are there and add fasteners at all other frame to deck beam intersections. Your thoughts?

Lastly, the spacing on the scarphs is minimal, I agree. It will be much stronger than the rotted shorties and butt blocks that were on there to begin with, but perhaps not as strong as additional staggering. The shipwright doing this area feels that the scarphed area is as strong or stronger than the adjacent wood in the old plank, and therefore will not be any weaker than the old plank. The plank will become like a continuous piece. Of course, I have to stop somewhere. I can't afford to rebuild the whole boat. I will mention this issue again, today, to be clear on his approach and be sure we shouldn't run a few farther forward.

James

[Woodonwater]

Hello Redbopeep,

I just signed up and also e-mailed the link to Sam and Skip at the Crocker boatyard asking them to join and to pass it along for any others who might be interested.

James

[redbopeep]

Woodenwater,

Hi! Looking forward to your including your boat specs in the database I set up on the yahoo group.

Regarding frames connected to clamp and deckbeams and deck connected to shear...etc...there's a great discussion of the loads and how they are transferred in Pardey's book on Classic Boat Construction: The Hull. There's really no reason NOT to bolt the frames to the sheer clamp and/or to the shelf and/or to adjacent deck beams. You probably have those frames fastened to each adjacent deck beam but it is helpful to bolt to the shear clamp as well.

Regarding deck to shear plank nailing: doesn't make good sense, no reason to do it with any nail of significant size, that is. You can fasten into your deck beams and glue to the shear clamp--or even use small Raptor plastic brads in the shear strake to hold while your glue sets (if that's your worry). Leaving the bigger mechanical fasteners outta the shear clamp/deck interface, I believe, is a truly good idea. You want the loads to move from the hull through the deck beams in a boat that has deckbeams. Just my opinion and there's lots of ways of doing all this, as we know :)

And, regarding glue to deck beams--we successfully removed some plywood that the previous owner glued and fastened into deckbeams. Router. It worked and we reused the deck beams with no problem. Don't simply glue, though, use the proper size mechanical fasteners for your loads.

[Woodonwater]

Red,

On the sheer strake fastening, I think the plan is to use small copper nails or something similar that really does little more than hold the ply in place while the glue dries (5200 at this point). These fasteners would also be used into the deck beams, etc. The idea is that when we drill out for the deck planking fasteners, we will only hit the softer nails and not large ss fastenings.

So, there will be larger mechanical fastenings throughout the decking, as you recommended. No, glue would not be enough. Regarding fastenings into the sheer strake, we are planning on fastening the bulwarks thru the sheer strake. I don't see any other way, unless we move the bulwarks inboard and fasten to the deck beams and/or to added blocking between the deck beams. We can't expect to use the sheer clamp, since it is 3" to 4". lower.

The old bulwark was gone before I came along, but the remnants of the rusty galvy fasteners are still embedded into the top of the sheer planks. Most of the sheer strake on both sides is being replaced so it's not an issue to remove the remnants. What are your thoughts for bulwark fastening?

James

I have some PDF drawings I will send you

[redbopeep]

Red,

The old bulwark was gone before I came along, but the remnants of the rusty galvy fasteners are still embedded into the top of the sheer planks. Most of the sheer strake on both sides is being replaced so it's not an issue to remove the remnants. What are your thoughts for bulwark fastening?

James

I have some PDF drawings I will send you

James, you might consider using Raptor plastic brads for that tack down application, we're using them to hold the two layers of 9 mm ply together and they're great.

We just went through the whole bulwark fastener issue on the foredeck (which has bulwarks) . I'll post a couple pics on the Yahoo Group with explanation. We have two bulwark planks stacked above the shear plank. These two planks in the bulwark were drifted to each other and to the shear plank. They also were attached to a couple of stanchions. We attached to the stanchions and we attached to a hefty caprail. It worked. We'll be able to caulk without the cotton running into those drifts and we won't have to worry about splitting planking with the drifts. Hope that helps...

[williamjohn]

Crocker boats are great. I have my eye on one right now, but am trying to see my way to making her a year-round liveaboard on the Great Lakes. Any suggestions, anyone?

[P.L.Lenihan]

Crocker boats are great. I have my eye on one right now, but am trying to see my way to making her a year-round liveaboard on the Great Lakes. Any suggestions, anyone?


Buy a bubbler system,extra longjohns,wool socks but most importantly, clear this with your significant other,in writing,with witnesses :D
Also make sure your club/marina of choice allows full-time-live-a-boards.
Take lots of pictures :)

Peter

[P.L.Lenihan]

[quote=John Boone;1769275]Photos posted for Woodonwater Re: SV Tamara

Ongoing restoration work:


http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/jsbpbacct/Open%20to%20All/SV%20Tamara/DSCN5389.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/jsbpbacct/Open%20to%20All/SV%20Tamara/DSCN5386.jpg

A whole lotta work going on here! I love to see the use of scarfs in replacing planking stock. Far better then simple butt blocks. I've used a right angle grinder to do this. What did you use?

Good luck with this project!!

Peter

[Matt Sutphin]

Having been a lurking Crocker boat owner, I am delighted to have caught up with this thread. My wife, Cynthia, and I own 'Tyrone', Sam Crocker's #202. We keep her in Wychmere winters and Stage Harbor in the summers.
It was good to read of T.A.R.'s 'Good Fortune', built at the end of the Clam Bar dock in Wychmere. When I was a kid she was the 'Laura S', as reported., taking guests out from Snow Inn for sails on the Sound. My stepfather took me out on her a few times in the late fifties. His father had built her, along with a few other Crocker designs, notably the Stonehorses. ( my grandmother once told me that when a Stonehorse was sold for $ 2,200 the price included the china and silver.) Fifteen years later, Bart Jones, who spent time on schooners as a kid ( Coaster and Silverheels ) bought the Laura S. and took her to Marblehead. I have not seen her since.
I am quite interested in knowing if the Kittiwake I knew in the 50's is the same Kittiwake referred to in the thread. Very much a childhood memory, as a kid I would welcome part of a hot summer day visiting the cool boat yard storage building. There in the shed was the Kittiwake I know, never to see water in my experience. The lone summer occupant.
Had a few back and forth's about 'Mahdee' last year. Hope that work is still going well.
Should anyone be heading to the Cape I'd be delighted to meet them on Tyrone. And go for a sail!
Matt Sutphin

[johngsandusky]

Hi Matt. When I mentioned Kittiwake, I know her only from lines and pictures in a book. She's a 37' schooner. I've never seen her, and I suspect she no longer exists. She was similar, in my opinion, to Joloma II (now Chautacqua) that I've seen in Ct. That boat is strikingly beautiful. Where are you located? And where was Kittiwake in your youth?

[Matt Sutphin]

Hi John,
On Cape Cod, in Harwichport, twenty-five miles due north of Nantucket. I will find out more about the Kittiwake I know, and report back to you. Where do you do your sailing?
Matt

[johngsandusky]

I sail from Long Island. My Friendship (when she's in the water) is moored in Mt Sinai, next harbor east of Port Jefferson on the north shore. I bring my little boats to other places around the island, sometimes farther. I'm considering a week on Cape Cod this summer.

[Matt Sutphin]

John,

Got info about Kittywake. Seemed a much larger boat as a kid. She was a Stonehorse 33. At least three built I was told. Raked masts and a good deal of weather helm reported.
Matt

ps pls. visit should you sail this way.

[redbopeep]

Hey y'all, I'm really glad to see other Crocker owners here, too. I'd like to suggest that you please go over to the Crocker owners' Yahoo group, register and start sharing info on Crockers there. The idea was to pull it all together in one place for the owners to share info/stories on the boats.

If you don't know about it:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crockerboatowners/

A few of us here have posted things there. I've recently made a post about traditional rigging, for example. Please visit. You have to register and your first post is moderated. Then, you can post, post, post all about your interest in all things Crocker.

Matt, I emailed you and your wife an invite to the Crocker yahoo group but don't know if you got the email?

Regards all!

[redbopeep]

Buy a bubbler system,extra longjohns,wool socks but most importantly, clear this with your significant other,in writing,with witnesses :D
Also make sure your club/marina of choice allows full-time-live-a-boards.
Take lots of pictures :)

Peter

We'd like to take Mahdee to Lake Superior (South Shore, Northern Michigan) and Lake Michigan...both including a winter and are wondering how that could take place. So, if you figure out how to live aboard on the Great Lakes, let me know! It will be a few years before we make it there since we're now on the West Coast, though.

[johngsandusky]

Thanks Matt, likewise. I'd love to see Tyrone. If we get up to the Cape this summer, it will be by car, towing a small boat, most likely the 18'dory. It's geting iffy now, as we're negotiating to buy a house, which might keep us busy.

[Fontes]

Beautiful ship. Thanks for letting us take a look. I do not own a Crocker but am in the market for one. A small pocket cruiser for two who are used to small boats . Have any suggestions?

[James McMullen]

A small pocket cruiser for two who are used to small boats . Have any suggestions?

Is this some kind of a set up? Stone Horse Sloop, of course, the perfect pocket cruiser. That's mine there behind Kate's left shoulder while we row our faithful crew to shore.

http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/42926/2710891130088484686S600x600Q85.jpg (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2710891130088484686RuSvXi)

[Thad]

Just finishing a Sallee Rover, 20' yawl, CB with power, still like the design more and more.

[peterbeckett]

Crocker New Bedford 35 Cutter 1940 Dion Boatworks, Salem MA-
located Flesherton, Ontario.
interior and cockpit removed to get at ribs and floors.
The owner, Vello:
vellovellend@hotmail.com
would be happy to hear from you. He just got a computer
I have sent the link
Peter

(a MV winter aboard /boatyard and art) http://www.peterbeckett.com/slideshow/index.html


http://www.peterbeckett.com/

[John Boone]

Thanks Peter.

Regards, John

[masterfung]

Greetings John: I am new to this blog thing, but I couldn't resist joining. I have been trying to research Sam Crocker for awhile now....as I am the proud owner of a Beautiful Girl named "Ardesa" . 43ft ketch, Mahogany over oak ribs designed by Sam Crocker, built by George Richards (?) and Sons in 1961 parts built in Lunenburg. N.S.
I have own her for about 2 yrs now. and its been a steady project to get her back to ship shape. I am very interested in trying to find out any past information that might be added to her Captains Log. I am not the most computer savy guy, but I will try to attach a picture of her.
Best Regards, Len. (Masterfung)

[Vinny&Shawn]

[QUOTE=StevenBauer;1766418]Whampoa is stunning, John.
There is a Crocker a few miles from my house that needs a complete rebuild.

Snow Goose, is almost done in,having been stripped almost entirely,of her fixins and has had a few goes with a chainsaw. She was too far gone.

[Vinny&Shawn]

Awesome sailing machine, was in my care for 6 years, has been taken over by someone else and is in the process of a noble rebuild.
"Milky Way" 1936 built,Dorchester,Mass. commissioned by Donald Starr,37'6",yawl. Still in Maine.

Posting pictures of a sxale model housed at the Essex Peabody Museum, it would take time to scan old pics,etc. Hope the new owner doesn't mind this??
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/vgeorge1/M23596-ModelofyachtMILKYWAY-Peabody.jpg?t=1264895436
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/vgeorge1/M23596-ModelofyachtMILKYWAYdeckview.jpg?t=1264895646http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/vgeorge1/M23596-ModelofyachtMILKYWAYfigurehe.jpg?t=1264895675http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/vgeorge1/MilkyWaymodelEssexMuseumIII.jpg?t=1264895728

[Vinny&Shawn]

Well I didn't think the model did any justice to ,The Lady of the Bow, so I scanned a couple to givr you an ideal of the detail and the unique way in which the vessell grows from her golden lochs!!
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/vgeorge1/Ladyofthebow2.jpg?t=1264898178

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/vgeorge1/Ladyofthebow.jpg?t=1264898225

[johngsandusky]

Starr must have been very impressed with Milky Way. His last boat was a Friendship Sloop. He converted her to a yawl that resembled Milky Way. I admire Milky Way, and owned Morning Watch (Friendship yawl) for ten years. She's pictured at the top left of this post. Both boats even carried the same initials.

[Vinny&Shawn]

Starr must have been very impressed with Milky Way. His last boat was a Friendship Sloop. He converted her to a yawl that resembled Milky Way. I admire Milky Way, and owned Morning Watch (Friendship yawl) for ten years. She's pictured at the top left of this post. Both boats even carried the same initials.
That's very interesting,I would like to see more pictures of Morning Watch,Milky Way is a superb craft,easily sailed,in Crockers book,she was described as "being able to do anything but eat out of your hand",
She could tack around her maststep whilesailing into a crowded mooring up to her mooring we would always get some cheers from the audience. Shawn and I sailed her without engine on and off docks many times.
One time while anchored in Maplejuice Cove, an older man sailing a 121/2,tacked close by and came to irons, asking about the boat and told us he used to play aboard her on the docks in Doechester.

[ron ll]

There was a Crocker cutter (about 36' I think) owned by some friends in Seattle in the late 70's, early 80's. Then named "Walrus" with green topsides. Anyone seen her lately?

[johngsandusky]

That's very interesting,I would like to see more pictures of Morning Watch,Milky Way is a superb craft,easily sailed,in Crockers book,she was described as "being able to do anything but eat out of your hand",
She could tack around her maststep whilesailing into a crowded mooring up to her mooring we would always get some cheers from the audience. Shawn and I sailed her without engine on and off docks many times.
One time while anchored in Maplejuice Cove, an older man sailing a 121/2,tacked close by and came to irons, asking about the boat and told us he used to play aboard her on the docks in Doechester.

PM me an email address and I'll try to send you some photos of the former Morning Watch (she's being renamed again). She is also very handy. I sailed her for several years without an engine. On and off the mooring, even in and out of docks (in winter without traffic). She performed well in light air or strong breezes. She would go through the mooring field or out the inlet, round a bend. I could tie off the helm to make a sandwich or stand in the companionway just watching her sail. Milky Way shares many of her characteristics.

[Jaffloat]

I have Crocker design 313 Green Heron. She was built in Main in 1959
I would love to send pictures and plans but cannot get this forum to accept any pictures.

[Lew Barrett]

I love to see the use of scarfs in replacing planking stock. Far better then simple butt blocks. I've used a right angle grinder to do this. What did you use?

Good luck with this project!!

Peter

And what planks!

Good thread, great boats; I am an admirer of Crocker's stuff too.

[redbopeep]

Vinney and Shawn,

Your photobucket photos are gone. Can you repost? How are things going anyway?

:)

[stumpbumper]

Does anyone have any info or photos relating to Sam Crocker's design #289, Long Shore?? It's a small outboard cruiser.

[rbgarr]

Does anyone have any info or photos relating to Sam Crocker's design #289, Long Shore?? It's a small outboard cruiser.

30' isn't all that small but Crocker's will tell you what you want to know if you contact them. http://www.crockersboatyard.com/

[stumpbumper]

Thanks, I got the number wrong. It's #283. I think it's 19 or 20 ft.

[copier guy]

Does anyone know of a tender crocker may have designed?

I dont have his book and it is tough to find.

[redbopeep]

I thought the book was still available via Crockers Boat Yard. No?

[copier guy]

they are out, all gone, no more...

[johngsandusky]

I have the book. There are several small boats in it. #23 is a 12' round bottom rowboat; #41 an 11' with sail rig and a plank keel; #28 a lateen rigged flatiron. I phoned Sturgis Crocker years ago (before the book). He told me that he sold a list of his father's designs. He's gone now, but I believe the yard is still in the family.

[johnheiner]

I have Crocker design 313 Green Heron. She was built in Main in 1959
I would love to send pictures and plans but cannot get this forum to accept any pictures.

My family also co-owns a Crocker design 313. My Father helped restore her in the early 80s, and she is due for another restoration/refit after a long period of nonuse.

I have a bunch of photos from her current state and of the first restoration. Check 'em out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/john_heiner/collections/72157624145553313/

Jaffloat, I would love to see some pictures if you find a way to post them!

-John

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5087/5341749432_836741719f_z.jpg

[Raka025]

I have Crocker design 313 Green Heron. She was built in Main in 1959
I would love to send pictures and plans but cannot get this forum to accept any pictures.

Did you have dinner on a Hinckley in 2009 after the ERR on a foggy evening?

[Bayboat]

Crocker-design #100 Sea Dawn schooner here. India, formerly Wandaroo, formerly Charlene of Chicago. Built Chicago 1932, builder unknown. Hopefully she'll get off the hard this summer!

[johngsandusky]

Love that design. Keel or centerboard?

[redbopeep]

Naval Architect SS Crocker never owned a yard. His designs were built all over the place. His son, Sturgis established a boatyard that SS eventually kept an office in. The Sturgis Crocker yard is still in the family, yes, but now that Sam (the grandson of the Naval Architect) has retired, the great-grandson Skip is in charge of the yard. During our rebuild of #131, Sam was very supportive and helpful with information. Updating the yard on our status, I just spoke with Skip the other day and he's quite nice but is much more focused on the here-and-now boat repair jobs they've got going. He's by no means familiar the old Crocker designs as his father (Sam) and grandfather (Sturgis) were. He's amazed by the fact that people keep track of the Crocker designs. When you're really close to something, sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees, I suppose.

[redbopeep]

Vinney&Shawn--

Can you update your photobucket pics to another server? We'd love to see them here :)

[jak3b]

About 33 years ago I spent an evening with Burhnam Porter on Roaring Bessie(The Crocker cutter not the 'cowhorn') drinking beer and smoking butts. I was about 16 at the time.It was one the high points of my teens.I was,and still am totaly wooden boat crazy.I have heard that the 'Bessie was cut up after Burhnam died.She was in the Crocker yard going to seed last I saw her.

[holzbt]

Does anyone know if Crocker's designs are still available? There used to be a listing with prices for all the plans on the boatyard's website a few years ago but I can't find it now.

[johngsandusky]

I don't know Roger. The last time I inquired was during his son Sturgis' life. I believe the yard is still in the family, you might call them.

[redbopeep]

Does anyone know if Crocker's designs are still available? There used to be a listing with prices for all the plans on the boatyard's website a few years ago but I can't find it now.

The plans are available via the Crocker Boat Yard. Call them and get a quote on the particular boat you're interested in. The pricing, as I recall, is simply based on boat size. When purchasing our Crocker schooner to rebuild, we first obtained fax copies (small) of the lines, layout, rigging plan. When we purchased the boat we also purchased the plans. The folks at Crockers sent us additional information in the files about our boat as well. Very nice and helpful people. They'll also build it for you :D