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paladin
02-08-2008, 11:06 AM
Berkeley to Marine Corps: You're Not Welcome

BERKELEY, Calif. Local officials in this liberal city say it's time for the U.S. Marines to move out.
The City Council has voted to tell the Marines their downtown recruiting station is not welcome and "if recruiters choose to stay, they do so as uninvited and unwelcome guests."
The measure passed this week by a vote of 8-1.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327347,00.html

Contact the city council at Berkeley, CA via email: clerk@ci.berkeley.ca.us



Now check this out, here is a letter a businessman wrote to the Mayor of Berkeley.

Is this a great country or what?



Dear Mayor Bates,

In that you and your city have chosen to gravely insult the brave men and women, who have indeed bought you that right with their blood, I am informing you that my company will no longer do business with any of our current suppliers located in the Berkeley,California metro area.

In that my company is in international resort real estate development, and do business with and am associated with, developers and investors worldwide, I am informing all of my contacts, associates and patrons that we will no longer do any business of any sort with anyone living in the Berkeley area.

In that we/MDG Resorts are currently building a state of the art mega-yacht marina, all of the suppliers of Marina equipment, all owners of Yachts , all suppliers of Yacht materials & supplies, all yacht brokers and all tangential yacht business purveyors will likewise be informed that we will not do any business whatsoever with anyone from the Berkeley area.

Likewise all suppliers of building materials, both interior and exterior, currently associated with any of our several resort developments (Brisamar 300+ villas and 200+ condos: Porto Hussong, www.portohussong.com 500+ condos, 180 slip mega-yacht marina) both of which I might add have international recognition by virtue of glowing reports in Robb Report, Wall Street Journal, Yacht World, Forbes.

I will likewise inform all of our investors, most of whom are very wealthy yacht owners, casino owners, high net worth international businessmen, of our decision to essentially boycott all products and providers located in, or associated with in any way whatsoever,Berkeley, Ca.

Trust me when I say that having been in the real estate development business for over 35 years, our list of contacts and associates is long and very, very impressive. We, and I personally, are going to recommend that they ALL along with us boycott your city, its purveyors, suppliers, and businesses and CHARITIES of every kind.

You have every right to choose to take the obnoxious anti-military stance you have taken, and as stated, that right was bought for you with the blood of better men than you.

I too have every right to do all that I can to insure that your city suffers consequences arising from that obnoxious, sickening stance.

Cordially,

Brian G Dennard

Principal

Director
Meridian Development Group, LLC
619 807 2444
www.mdgresorts.com
www.portohussong.com


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MarkC
02-08-2008, 11:27 AM
international resort real estate development

Pot calling the kettle black.

So this guy is from a not-very-well regarding business sector - telling off the Berkely council for doing something that it probably can't legally do anyway.

All a bit silly really.

Chuck/Palladin you said in an earlier post that "all recruiters lie"...?

Cuyahoga Chuck
02-08-2008, 11:29 AM
The Marines and all military, including draftees like me, take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.
The Constitution says in Article I that freedom of speech is GUARANTEED. That means the speech of all including the city fathers in Berkeley, California.
Next, if you keep filling your noggin with the trash that poses as news on The Fox Network you may injure your mental health.

paladin
02-08-2008, 11:51 AM
Recruiters go to training...their job is to snag "volunteers"...they are "educated" on how to answer certain questions in a way as to always be positive, and in concept to lie without lying by either withholding or avoiding the truth. Once they have you in, there's no guarantee that the "enlistment assurances " will be honored...only if it suits the requirements of the government.
When being "picked" as an instructor in a particular field, you will have students that are "delivered" to you that signed up for other things....part of the training was to bend their thinking to the corp and only to the corps way of thinking......if they felt that you were a good "candidate instructor/recruiter" you got a little letter in front of your specialty code.....like "T".......

Robmill0605
02-08-2008, 11:58 AM
The Marines and all military, including draftees like me, take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.
The Constitution says in Article I that freedom of speech is GUARANTEED. That means the speech of all including the city fathers in Berkeley, California.
Next, if you keep filling your noggin with the trash that poses as news on The Fox Network you may injure your mental health.


You have every right to choose to take the obnoxious anti-military stance you have taken, and as stated, that right was bought for you with the blood of better men than you.

I too have every right to do all that I can to insure that your city suffers consequences arising from that obnoxious, sickening stance.

Cordially,

Brian G Dennard

Principal
.......
Before you sound off with your rant, read the above again.
How typical that you support Berekely .
As the man said, better men than you and the left wing socialist Peoples Republic of Berekely,have shed their blood so that you can diss the Marine Corp.

Draftee?
What happened, no Oxford College to hide in?

Why am I not surprised.

Kaa
02-08-2008, 12:01 PM
The Constitution says in Article I that freedom of speech is GUARANTEED. That means the speech of all including the city fathers in Berkeley, California.

Oh, their freedom of speech guarantees that they will not be thrown in jail. It's does not guarantee lack of any consequences for them.

Your right to speak what you want does not cancel the others' right to change their opinion about you (and business dealings with you) because of what you say.

Kaa

Cuyahoga Chuck
02-08-2008, 01:05 PM
You have every right to choose to take the obnoxious anti-military stance you have taken, and as stated, that right was bought for you with the blood of better men than you.

I too have every right to do all that I can to insure that your city suffers consequences arising from that obnoxious, sickening stance.

Cordially,

Brian G Dennard

Principal
.......
Before you sound off with your rant, read the above again.
How typical that you support Berekely .
As the man said, better men than you and the left wing socialist Peoples Republic of Berekely,have shed their blood so that you can diss the Marine Corp.

Draftee?
What happened, no Oxford College to hide in?

Why am I not surprised.

Circumstances (being a draftee) have forced me to take a less than idealized view of the military establishment.
PFC.Cuyahoga Chuck, Ser. # US XXXXXXXX, MOS 257.1. Qualified with the rifle (M1) and the carbine (M2).
I apologize for not being killed in battle. I'll try harder next time.

"I am not a Socialist nor have I played one on TV."

Phillip Allen
02-08-2008, 01:46 PM
don't like being called names?...stop doing it yourself Mr. "neocon" hater!

LeeG
02-08-2008, 03:12 PM
Berkeley could probably handle the loss of the Meridian development group. Something to do with that University I guess.

Just talked to my daughter, she got a job working at a bakery out there. In the spring all the flowering plums on the streets are open and it smells like tons of corn tortillas.

Fox News or Meridian Group will come and go. Berkeley and the Marines attending UCB will still be there.

LeeG
02-08-2008, 04:24 PM
Bankdorys, obviously someone give's a flying duck cuz here it is on Fox News and WBF Bilge reports.

LeeG
02-08-2008, 04:43 PM
"leave Britney Spears alone!"

Keith Wilson
02-08-2008, 04:44 PM
"leave Britney Spears alone!"Oh, I will, I will!

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Phillip Allen
02-08-2008, 04:46 PM
fashion...operating under the delusion that "fashion curtseys to Berkley"

Bob Adams
02-08-2008, 04:57 PM
The fellow is free to do buisness with whomever he wants. Personally, I agree with his stance.

LeeG
02-08-2008, 04:59 PM
Come on guys, they do it naturally, it's not personal. It's a little city struggling with all these foreigners and bright college kids flowing in. I met my first New Yorkers and New Englanders in Berkeley.

Phillip Allen
02-08-2008, 05:01 PM
Yo know Berkley is at the edge of a great ocean...and they consider themselves to be the leading edge of social fashion...the problem is that the more "Berkley" one becomes the farther from the sea the more shallow...(they'll never recapture the 60's...ya kain't go home)

LeeG
02-08-2008, 05:29 PM
I wanted the bums to not bother my family, the delinquents to not spread graffiti and all the people bringing their neurosis to the streets to at least be polite about it. High density living doesn't cultivate polite behaviour.

The easterners? How could I kick them out? I was a foreigner from Southern California.

paladin
02-08-2008, 05:41 PM
I did 2 semesters there while visiting with the Lawrence Livermore Crew and about 85% of the folks were alright......it's the remaining 15% that were always "interesting" and really brought to life the meaning of "Land of Fruits and Nuts".....I tried to stay out of the way at the Marina or at Alviso Slough with the rest of the reject boat bums...I always dressed "properly" when on campus, like a white collar guy, and was routinely accosted by dirty, unkemp persons wanting a handout for "smokes"....I figured if they made the tuition there they had the money for "Smokes" unless the families had them there to keep them outta the house......
I was asked if I was heading down to see the kids one time as the fellows asked for a ride ....to Los Banjos........I picked them up on my way back with their backpacks.......about 10 miles up the road I finally figured out what the smell was and asked them to catch another ride.....their backpacks were stuffed tight with weed...

LeeG
02-08-2008, 05:55 PM
Chuck,,that's about right,,15% is about 50% too much. I think any group can handle 1% total nuts, 5% quirky, and 10% assorted fruits and nuts. The carrying capacity for the ecology of a communites mental health is overtaxed at 15%.

And that's where the quirky legislation and bad street manners comes out.

BrianW
02-08-2008, 06:46 PM
The fine leaders of Berkeley show how little backbone they truly have...



Berkeley Backs Off On Banning Marines
Berkeley Mayor Apologizes To Marines Over Recruiting Center Flap

POSTED: 10:08 am PST February 7, 2008
UPDATED: 6:43 pm PST February 7, 2008

BERKELEY, Calif. -- As six Republican senators devised a plan to yank $2.3 million in federal funding for Berkeley programs, the mayor of the famously liberal city apologized Wednesday for his hard stance against a Marine recruiting center.

Two City Council members vowed to soften their stance as well.

At their Tuesday council meeting, leaders will discuss scrapping a letter that might be perceived as targeting the center or the Marines.

The letter said that the recruiting center was not welcome on Shattuck Avenue and that the Marines were uninvited and unwelcome intruders.

"That letter will probably be pulled back and maybe more moderate language will be put in place which is appropriate I think," said Berkeley mayor Tom Bates.

"Subtly stated in the resolution is perhaps an impugning of the soldiers fighting for us in Iraq and other places," Berkeley City Councilman Laurie Capitelli. "And that was never the intention but that really needs to be cleared up. As I walked to my car that night I realized I regretted it and I had made a mistake."

Bates said the city didn't mean to offend anyone in the armed forces and the focus should have been on the war not the troops.

"There's really no correlation between federal funds for schools, water ferries and police communications systems and the council's actions, for God's sake," said Bates, a retired U.S. Army captain. "We apologize for any offense to any families of anyone who may serve in Iraq. We want them to come home and be safe at home."

The letter was originally approved in January and has not been sent.

City officials said they got a flood of e-mails, many asking them to reconsider their position.

Councilmembers have said they would replace the "intruder item" with words expressing their support for the troops but not the war in Iraq.

The Republican plan would give the funds, intended for a school lunch program, UC Berkeley and ferry service, to the Marines instead.

"Patriotic American taxpayers won't sit quietly while Berkeley insults our brave Marines," said one of the senators.

The recruiting center opened about a year ago and quickly became a target of anti-war protesters including the group Code Pink.

Last week the council passed resolutions giving Code Pink a place to park out front. Some have said that meant the city giving was giving the group a place to continuously protest the Marines.

"What we're doing is we're announcing a bill that we intend to get on the floor to strip transportation from the city of Berkeley," said East Bay Republican Assemblyman Guy Houston. "What they have done in Berkeley is they have set aside a parking spot and in my opinion a public right of way, a public transportation corridor, specifically for a private organization -- in this case Code Pink -- to harass and annoy the United States Marine Corps and their recruiting efforts. We think that playing around and having an agenda with the public right of way is subject to ramifications. There is $2.3 million in proposition 1B transportation dollars. We think that should be in jeopardy."

Others on the Berkeley City Council seemed quite firm on their stance, NBC11's Christie Smith reported.

Sen. Barbara Boxer and Rep. Barbara Lee said they plan to fight the Republican bill.

Code Pink announced they would have what they called a "24-hour peace-in" leading up to Tuesday's city council meeting. They will be camping out but will have a lot of company. A group of pro-troop protesters will also be there.

"I was under the impression that we have the right of free speech," said Xanne Joi of Code Pink. "To me, I thought free speech meant you get to say what you want without recrimination."

Group members have made their organization infamous by intentionally getting arrested at protests and congressional hearings.


An Olive Branch

Berkeley City Councilman Gordon Wozniak extended an olive branch to the Marines. He went to breakfast with a recruiter Thursday morning.

"Berkeley is supposed to celebrate diversity and free speech and we welcome homeless people here. We welcome illegal immigrants. We give them sanctuary. We should welcome the Marines. I mean they're basically dedicating their lives to protect their country."

Wozniak said he does not support the harsh language of the letter to the Marines originally authorized by the city.

Ann Cooper with the Berkeley Unified School District wants both sides to play nice.

"Senators sitting 3,000 miles away are trying to take food away from the children of Berkeley," said Cooper. "Why? Because the Marines and the city aren't playing nice -- and that's just not OK."

LeeG
02-08-2008, 07:02 PM
yeah, those senators showed them what gov't is for.

Phillip Allen
02-08-2008, 07:04 PM
I don't think they should be allowed to recant...tie that letter around the mayor's neck

LeeG
02-08-2008, 07:06 PM
where's the letter? Bring on the letter!


my memory was that Tom Bates was an ok guy.

Cuyahoga Chuck
02-08-2008, 07:08 PM
don't like being called names?...stop doing it yourself Mr. "neocon" hater!

Hate Them! "The Bilge" would be a sorry place with them! It was better when there was more of them but, I can see why some would prefer to duck out.

BrianW
02-08-2008, 07:13 PM
yeah, those senators showed them what gov't is for.

They had Boxer on their side, which meant they had damn near the whole democratic side of the aisle. They still backed off. So like I said, no backbone.

So much for a democrat controlled Congress. Still have troops in Iraq and Berkeley is afraid of a few Congressman.

paladin
02-08-2008, 07:15 PM
It's been well over 40 years ago but I guess I'm still a little more than P!$$ed with the city of Berkeley....
The marina was a dump...a nasty sorta landfill.....and those dirty "hippies" managed to get a lease on the property.....hundreds joined together and cleaned up the mess over several months time....borrowing vehicles to haul trash to the dump, cleaning out the sunken tires, boats etc from the water, hauling rocks a pick-up load at a time for the shoreline erosion project, built new piers, and built, bought houseboats etc, planted trees and flowers...and as soon as it was all clean the City of Berkeley overturned the lease and took it back and started renting space......about 200 students left and went to L.A., did the same thing, incorporated and built Mariners Point Marina with spaces for Trimarans and big cats....

Phillip Allen
02-08-2008, 07:35 PM
I believe it Chuck...but what do I know? I'm just a tax protester and neocon...(also I didn't go to Cornell) I'm just worthless

ishmael
02-08-2008, 07:49 PM
"Oh, their freedom of speech guarantees that they will not be thrown in jail. It's does not guarantee lack of any consequences for them.

Your right to speak what you want does not cancel the others' right to change their opinion about you (and business dealings with you) because of what you say."

Nuff said.

htom
02-08-2008, 08:03 PM
I've come to the conclusion that Code Pink is actually (and ironicly) actually complimenting the USMC, a horribly evil untrustworthy violent group of folk. And what does Code Pink do? They go and chain themselves to the door of the horrible untrustworthy folk, demonstrating that they believe that the Marines will leave them alone.

Which we do.