Double Plank Dilemma !!!!!

[WoodenboaterinWatkinsGlen]

Am I asking for trouble??? I am considering purchasing another boat. I currently own a 1965 28' Owens Flagship. A great boat, but it is really plain jane, and a little small for the weekend cruse, or entertaining my wife and I like to do. I am looking at a 1962 35' Owens Flagship with a dbl plank mahogany hull. It is need of some resto work. This boat has been sitting out for 2 years uncovered. There are a couple of spots that need attention, on is kind of major. My question is this, should I be worried about rot in between the planks that I am not able to see? Pics will follow, any and all information, opinions are welcome. Thanks in advance.

[WoodenboaterinWatkinsGlen]

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sknapp2003/album?.dir=/1a02

[WoodenboaterinWatkinsGlen]

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[WoodenboaterinWatkinsGlen]

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[WoodenboaterinWatkinsGlen]

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287033061&congratulation_page=Y

[WoodenboaterinWatkinsGlen]

Let see if this works...

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287033061&p=4175184538&idx=1

[Donn]

Here's what you posted as a pic URL:

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287033061&p=4175184538&idx=1

First thing is, the URL has to end with .jpg

[Donn]

You took the URL of the Imagestation page where the picture lives. You want the URL of the picture itself.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid114/pa073115fabb569e7df083ae01bd43968/f8dc429a.jpg

[brad9798]

Growing up, we had a 1959 Flagship Owens. Neat boats, nothing fancy, as you say.

Problem with some of the larger ones, was that they used diaganal planking under the outer.

This meant taking the 'side' of the boat apart to fix a small outer planking issue ...

From the pix, you have some decent rot/integrity issues ... assuming everything else works, I'd give no more than 4 grand for the boat ...

YES, you have to considering the underplanking ...

[Donn]

It looks like the hull has a lot of issues; split planks, bondo patches, maybe some dry rot, an issue where the stbd planks meet the transom, an issue with the stem, major repair work in the cockpit, and paint and trim issues everywhere.

BIG job!

[WoodenboaterinWatkinsGlen]

Let me try this again...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid114/p90ff049703ef0d13579cc2600a5dd0fd/f8dc42b6.jpg

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[Donn]

TaDa! :D

[WoodenboaterinWatkinsGlen]

Well there you have it, I have figured out how to post pics on the forum. How does she look for what you see?? What would you all think a reasonable price for her would be? They only problem at this point is that she would need to be relocated by May 15th or I would get charged $50 per week for summer storage. The only major structural repairs I can see is where the plank has buckled from sitting on her cradle. Interior is pretty decent. Engines have about 750 hrs on them, and will probably need to be pulled an rebuilt. Any constructive criticism would be nice.

[Brian Palmer]

Get a qualified survey before you put down any money.

Good luck,

Brian

[High C]

If you ignore everything above the rubrail, that's a very sexy looking hull. Nice flare at the bow, pretty sheer line, and tumblehome hips. BUT, she's way down, a big job, maybe bigger than she's worth, especially if she has gasoline power.

Ask around to find a qualified wooden boat surveyor, and use his no doubt devestating findings to get the price down to almost nothing. IF he thinks it's worth it.

And yes, the double planking can be a nightmare to replace. If it were me, and I found any rot in the inner planking at all, I'd run the other way.

[WoodenboaterinWatkinsGlen]

High C;

Well I am going to do a more in depth investigation of her hull tonight. A little poking and prodding hopefully will reveal my worst fears. The asking price at the moment is $1200, basically to settle the storage fee's. She's got twin Flagship 327's in her rated at 225hp. They are in decent shape with about 750 hrs on them. Will most likely pull them and rebuild. I will post some more pic's tomarrow of what I find if anything. Thanks for the reply's.

[WoodenboaterinWatkinsGlen]

Well after some careful poking and investigation here are the two problem areas that I found below the water line. Also how do is it possible that this boat has a single planked hull? My investigation led me to look at all areas inside the hull that I could. It seem as though that the planking inside and out is running in the same directions. Leading me to think that it is not a dbl planked hull. I thought that the dbl planking would run in opposite directions, thus giving the hull more strength?? Please feel free to set me straight. Again thanks to all who reply.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid114/p0fecfe9a141c17085f748f630e53c4bd/f8da3697.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid114/p2ee7223fa9913ca880d3bd772439513b/f8da36a5.jpg

[htom]

You may be confusing "double planking" with "double diagonal planking". In the former, the planks run the same way, in the latter, they run at angles. As far as determining if it's single or double, look at the interior plank seams at a throughhull, and then at the plank seams on the exterior at the same throughhull. They should be offset (for example, on the interior, the throughhull is directly through one plank, touching neither seam, on the exterior, the throughhull is centered on the seam line if it's double planked, centered on the plank if it's single.)

[Scott Rosen]

I would run away, and fast.

If you bought the boat, I don't imagine you'd be using her anytime soon. She needs a lot of major work, judging by the pictures.

The only way I would buy that boat would be if I had two things: an irrational sentimental attachment to that particular design, and unlimited money.

[WoodenboaterinWatkinsGlen]

Well after my fifth and last investigation this afternoon I have decided to pass on this one. I found that in examining the forward compartment that it is diagonal double planked. As most of you have viewed in the pic's she has some serious rot in some places. A lot more work than I have time for. I just hate to see her rot away to nothing. Again thanks to all who replied.

Until the next project...

[Nicholas Carey]

Originally posted by htom:
You may be confusing "double planking" with "double diagonal planking". In the former, the planks run the same way, in the latter, they run at angles. As far as determining if it's single or double, look at the interior plank seams at a throughhull, and then at the plank seams on the exterior at the same throughhull. They should be offset (for example, on the interior, the throughhull is directly through one plank, touching neither seam, on the exterior, the throughhull is centered on the seam line if it's double planked, centered on the plank if it's single.)What he said.

The difference, from a the boatwright's point of view is that fore&aft-over-diagonal double planking means that to remove any single inner diagonal plank, you theoretically need to (assuming full length planks) remove every outside plank on that side of the boat.

Yuck.

For double-planked fore&aft construction, on the other hand, access to an inner plank should only require removing two outer planks.

Much less painful.