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Tylerdurden
01-26-2008, 05:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmeHiFZUWtE

Tylerdurden
01-26-2008, 05:06 PM
sleep tight.

Duncan Gibbs
01-26-2008, 05:16 PM
Gsus wept!

Now Mark, do you think that with how many millions of people living JUST like that in the World the great middle classes and ruling elites in the Western World would rouse themselves out of their slumber and take notice, when the only thing that seems to get their goat and attract their attention is me asking just a few of them not to shove girly pics in my face.

Unfortunately I don't think so! They would just prefer to shut their eyes, sit back... and continue to consume... And then it'll be too bloody late!!

Tylerdurden
01-26-2008, 05:30 PM
You would see this in the territories like Puerto Rico back in the 70's but not on this scale in the continental US. This is just one of many growing across the US.
Things are not as they seem.

Duncan Gibbs
01-26-2008, 06:18 PM
And just how much are candidates spending on the primaries alone? Maybe they should ALL spend a bit more on things that actually matter!!

What with all that cash tied up in Iraq and elsewhere, and huge budget and current account deficits, New Orleans still a mess, the highest prison population in the world, etc, etc, etc... You guys really need to start sorting some stuff out. :(

tattooed john
01-26-2008, 06:57 PM
You guys in the U.S. are in for a hard ride.

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 07:13 AM
Seems the guys here in the US are not interested in seeing this Vid?

Sucks to face reality. Ones spirit may force them to act and that is dangerous.

Duncan Gibbs
01-27-2008, 08:24 AM
Seems the guys here in the US are not interested in seeing this Vid?

Nah mate! They're more interested in how far they can push cheesecake uphill!

"What us? About to be evicted? Gotta live under a sheet of plastic? Hang on: Just gotta pack all my Playboy mag's up!!"

rotund1
01-27-2008, 08:29 AM
It would be nice to get them into some state housing, and keep them poor and unemployed for 3 generations.

rotund1
01-27-2008, 08:33 AM
PS dont eat the government cheese, and it is all government cheese.

tattooed john
01-27-2008, 08:35 AM
It would be nice to get them into some state housing, and keep them poor and unemployed for 3 generations.

Tent city will put them on the path to riches in less than three genarations?

rotund1
01-27-2008, 08:48 AM
"Them" perhaps we mite look at the individuals, but the film dose not give us the chance. So we make broad emotional generalization. This is the beginning of the well meaning subjugation
of those poor people. Wood decreasing their mobility make it better for the individuals, perhaps we should ask them, as apposed to video taping their dwellings on a rainy day.

rotund1
01-27-2008, 08:52 AM
would my spelling be better?

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 08:59 AM
"Them" perhaps we mite look at the individuals, but the film dose not give us the chance. So we make broad emotional generalization. This is the beginning of the well meaning subjugation
of those poor people. Wood decreasing their mobility make it better for the individuals, perhaps we should ask them, as apposed to video taping their dwellings on a rainy day.

Instead of dissecting or criticizing the video just ask your self where you have seen this in such proportions in America leaving out the remnants of natural disaster.
In most citys these places are scattered but the people exist. I met a family working at a restaurant's last summer. Man,wife and two kids. Living in their car. Guy had a good job at the papermill and soon it was gone, then the unemployment was gone then the house was lost.
They ended up in their car, terrified child protective would find out and take the kids. So they both begged up a job at a diner to get enough cash to travel south for the winter.
God bless them in their quest and I always end up wondering how they are doing.
Its all kinds of people out there. If your really interested go ask.
I am just afraid we will soon see these camps all over the country in sizes far beyond what we are seeing now.

Duncan Gibbs
01-27-2008, 09:03 AM
would my spelling be better?

:D:D

Whether one asks "them" or video tapes "them" is beside the point. "They" are not doing well. The cars and caravans suggest that "they" used to be comfortably middle class and now "they" are up sh!t creek in a barbed wire canoe without a paddle, aren't "they"?

Raising some degree of awareness of such a situation is still doing much more than doing nothing. Now whatcha gonna do with this knowledge of "them"?

katiedobe
01-27-2008, 09:07 AM
Think Hoovervill in 1930. But until Americans get off their asses and start marching on washington in large number as protest. The government will not change their policies.

rotund1
01-27-2008, 09:12 AM
Well then maybe the end of the inflationary speculator driven real estate market is not a bad thing. How about low land prices,
rather than high mortgages. But the current tax structure will not make that possible.

Hey there is lots of land in Maine, how about the gov. selling it to them. Nice wood lots too.

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 09:16 AM
Think Hoovervill in 1930. But until Americans get off their asses and start marching on washington in large number as protest. The government will not change their policies.


Exactly, but it will not happen. We will watch our big screen TV's and be spoon fed propaganda, like which of the "approved" candidates to vote for in fraudulent elections and wait for our 600 dollar check so we can buy that new Blue Ray machine.

"Fret for your figure and Fret for your latte and Fret for your hairpiece and Fret for your lawsuit and Fret for your prozac and Fret for your pilot and Fret for your contract and Fret for your car. It's a bull**** three ring circus sideshow of freaks here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA The only way to fix it is to flush it all away"
Tool Ænema

Joe (SoCal)
01-27-2008, 09:16 AM
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I am just afraid we will soon see these camps all over the country in sizes far beyond what we are seeing now.

350 poor people living in shanties in southern california and you extrapolated into a nationwide pandemic ???? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

There are more people living under Grand Central Station than in that shanty town. There are homeless people ALL OVER living in a state of HELL. I've been poor hell I could be poor again. I've always MANAGED. The video should explain the whole story of how they got there. The idea that its just the MAN and big government trying to beat down on the poor hard working, honest man. Probably isn't 100% truthful. Lots of abuse of all sorts, mental problems, substance problems, bad luck, ignorance, poor coping skills contribute greater to their plight than the story book analogy of the hard working white man providing for his family and then his plant is shut down and he looses everything and lives with his family in a tent on the side of the road. eeeeeek with no internet connection :)

The video SHOWS nothing and might I add was poorly made and does a total disservice to the subject matter, but the music was a good choice :rolleyes: You fault me for showing a bike that can produce potable water yet this vid does LESS THAN NOTHING.

rotund1
01-27-2008, 09:16 AM
Duncan, you have no more idea of whats going on there than I do.

S/V Laura Ellen
01-27-2008, 09:19 AM
The cars and caravans suggest that "they" used to be comfortably middle class.

With advent of sub-prime mortgage fiasco, the people hurt were the people below middle class trying to live like the middle class and realize the American Dream. You to can live like the "Rich and Famous" for no money down and low low payments each month (or until the low low introductory interest rate ends and you are stuck with high interests rates you can't afford).They are worse off now, no hope in securing a loan until the economy adjusts itself over the coming years.

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 09:20 AM
Joe, maybe you can help them, go down with a new Iphone and show them how Apple is changing the world and as soon as they let go of their beliefs that PC's rule the world their luck will change and they can put pretty flowers in the vase on the dashboard of their new beetle.

Douche'

Joe (SoCal)
01-27-2008, 09:24 AM
No but I know I could go down and get the real story. I would interview the people and understand their plight, and produce a video with substance. Instead of spoon feeding alarmist and conspiracy theorist like yourself with the sappy music and drive by propaganda™. While you sit comfortable in your home using your broadband connection to surf videos on You-Tube that meet with your particular apocalyptic fantasy. :rolleyes:

Hypocrite'

rotund1
01-27-2008, 09:25 AM
give them corn futures, and let them work for ADM.

Bruce Taylor
01-27-2008, 09:33 AM
I think that's "Camp Hope," in Ontario, CA.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/colton/stories/PE_News_Local_D_tentcity28.2915a96.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMoHh75rQs&feature=related

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 09:37 AM
No but I know I could go down and get the real story. I would interview the people and understand their plight, and produce a video with substance. Instead of spoon feeding alarmist and conspiracy theorist like yourself with the sappy music and drive by propaganda™. While you sit comfortable in your home using your broadband connection to surf videos on You-Tube that meet with your particular apocalyptic fantasy. :rolleyes:

Hypocrite'

So go make one....................................
You won't though because it will not be a popular Vid on the WBF.
We all have you figured you out in that respect. You do nothing that doesn't earn you credit of some sort.
And Douche' I do work for free at a couple of food kitchens.
I donated several hundred dollars in parts in the past two months and I will not mention the labor. If you so interested smartass, come here and I will introduce you.
Maybe thats why I see the whole thing a lot different than you do.
Who really is the Hypocrite?

Joe (SoCal)
01-27-2008, 09:39 AM
I think that's "Camp Hope," in Ontario, CA.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/colton/stories/PE_News_Local_D_tentcity28.2915a96.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMoHh75rQs&feature=related

It is obviously Camp Hope and as sad as it is the better produced YouTube interview yet sadly proves my point that many are suffering substance abuse problems NOT the sub-prime mortgage problem.

But try to tell that to Tyler, it wont fit his agenda. :rolleyes:

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 09:45 AM
It is obviously Camp Hope and as sad as it is the better produced YouTube interview yet sadly proves my point many of those are suffering substance abuse problems NOT the sub-prime mortgage problem.

But try to tell that to Tyler, it wont fit his agenda. :rolleyes:


Oh sorry, I don't have your agenda...........
Hey everybody look I am riding my bike!
I am riding my bike uphill now!
This is my New Iphone, and you all suck!
Heres my new GF!
Heres where I drink and annoy others!
Look I am on My bike again!
Here I am In a dress!
Oh I am sailing now!
Look Look look !

This is my impression of it all..................
http://embruns.net/images/gp-2005/gay-pride-2005-24.jpg

Go away movie star, real people ain't buying what you are selling.

Joe (SoCal)
01-27-2008, 09:56 AM
Everybody buys what Im selling ;)

Your jealousy is flattering ;), but it does nothing to prove your point about Camp Hope. You WRONGLY assumed it was poor, hardworking people hit hard by sub-prime market and big government. When In actuality the tent city has been growing since way before the sub-prime collapse. It also is sadly proven that most of its inhabitants are victims of exactly what I said, abuse of all sorts, mental problems, substance problems, bad luck, ignorance, poor coping skills.

No mater how you want to project towards me, it wont make your apocalyptic pandemic predictions true.

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 09:58 AM
Everybody buys what Im selling ;)

Your jealousy is flattering ;), but it does nothing to prove your point about Camp Hope. You WRONGLY assumed it was poor, hardworking people hit hard by sub-prime market and big government. When In actuality the tent city has been growing since way before the sub-prime collapse. It also is sadly proven that most of its inhabitants are victims of exactly what I said, abuse of all sorts, mental problems, substance problems, bad luck, ignorance, poor coping skills.

No mater how you want to project towards me, it wont make your apocalyptic pandemic predictions true.


Can you show me where I made that assertion?

S/V Laura Ellen
01-27-2008, 10:00 AM
Oh sorry, I don't have your agenda...........
Hey everybody look I am riding my bike!
I am riding my bike uphill now!
This is my New Iphone, and you all suck!
Heres my new GF!
Heres where I drink and annoy others!
Look I am on My bike again!
Here I am In a dress!
Oh I am sailing now!
Look Look look !


That is because:
IAAJ

Joe (SoCal)
01-27-2008, 10:03 AM
Can you show me where I made that assertion?


Instead of dissecting or criticizing the video just ask your self where you have seen this in such proportions in America leaving out the remnants of natural disaster.
In most citys these places are scattered but the people exist. I met a family working at a restaurant's last summer. Man,wife and two kids. Living in their car. Guy had a good job at the papermill and soon it was gone, then the unemployment was gone then the house was lost.
They ended up in their car, terrified child protective would find out and take the kids. So they both begged up a job at a diner to get enough cash to travel south for the winter.
God bless them in their quest and I always end up wondering how they are doing.
Its all kinds of people out there. If your really interested go ask.
I am just afraid we will soon see these camps all over the country in sizes far beyond what we are seeing now.

Ya might have failed to mention the guys dirty little meth habit, or gambeling addiction, or poor coping skills, or,..... but NO "we will soon see these camps all over the country in sizes far beyond what we are seeing now"

Enough proof for ya Tyler or do you want to start backpedaling harder, I would be interested in that video. :D

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 10:08 AM
Ya might have failed to mention the guys dirty little meth habit, or gambeling addiction, or poor coping skills, or,..... but NO "we will soon see these camps all over the country in sizes far beyond what we are seeing now"

Enough proof for ya Tyler or do you want to start backpedaling harder, I would be interested in that video. :D

You took my quote of a personal encounter and decided that is it?

You really have to stretch on that one.

I don't have to back pedal. The average person would consider this a battle of wits so clearly you are outmatched.
Quick, run and get Norman and Ling ling, you need help here.
Its okay, I will wait.
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Joe (SoCal)
01-27-2008, 10:11 AM
You took a poor drive by propaganda™ video and you extrapolated into a nationwide pandemic ????

You really have to stretch on that one.

Katherine
01-27-2008, 10:13 AM
Stupider and Stupider. :rolleyes:

Bruce Taylor
01-27-2008, 10:13 AM
More interviews from Camp Hope:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=18475589

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 10:15 AM
You took a poor drive by propaganda™ video and you extrapolated into a nationwide pandemic ????

You really have to stretch on that one.

It is Ahole....... Like I said before, how many homeless do you help in Cold Spring?

Its like me living in Kenebunk next to the Nazi family Bush and saying there is no homeless issue.

You are really a complete idiot. Should I bring up homeless figures from the past 10 years. Want to really seem as stupid as you look.

S.V. Airlie
01-27-2008, 10:17 AM
Mark

It's KennebunkPORT....:D;)

eleseus
01-27-2008, 10:21 AM
Tyler:

You advertise your provincial, bunker idiocy by thinking this is at all remarkable. Have you traveled across our country or lived anywhere but in your little latte-slurping 'hood? No, you have not. I have. This is in no way remarkable unless you are frothing at the mouth for a reason to have a totally dismal, unfounded world-view like you do. OMG!!! 300 people out west living in tents? The sky is falling! Only Ron Raul can save us! We are doomed! (if you are a total paranoid moron like you, TD.)

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 10:22 AM
Mark

It's KennebunkPORT....:D;)

Yes, to those from away. I was told its all K bunk because its the rich and those who wannabe. And like us poor people have only one toilet so is how we should look at those neighborhoods. One big cesspool of slime.
Plumber told me that last year.http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/images/icons/icon12.gif

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 10:22 AM
Tyler

Yes?

S.V. Airlie
01-27-2008, 10:26 AM
Mark

I bet that plumber has more than one toilet...:D

crawdaddyjim50
01-27-2008, 10:29 AM
That is the most ignorant piece of socialist, nannystate propaganda I have ever seen.

Joe is on the money here. And Mark you should be ashamed to be sucked in like that.

People don't need the gubmint to do anything but get out of their way.

I grew up that kind of poor and it was of my own mothers' doing. NOT because the "man" was oppressing us. She finally saw the way out and started working three jobs toward that goal. She now has a home paid for and retirement saved up and is living her life.

Those people are there because of their choices in life. PERIOD.

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 10:31 AM
Tyler:

You advertise your provincial, bunker idiocy by thinking this is at all remarkable. Have you traveled across our country or lived anywhere but in your little latte-slurping 'hood? No, you have not. I have. This is in no way remarkable unless you are frothing at the mouth for a reason to have a totally dismal, unfounded world-view like you do. OMG!!! 300 people out west living in tents? The sky is falling! Only Ron Raul can save us! We are doomed! (if you are a total paranoid moron like you, TD.)

Hate to tell you Bucko I have lived in a few country's and a good chunk of the states.

You can continue to ASSuMe but its not going to go well for you.

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 10:32 AM
Mark

I bet that plumber has more than one toilet...:D

I would lay money there is a Bidet in his house....If I could get one cheap I would want one too.http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/images/icons/icon10.gif

eleseus
01-27-2008, 10:37 AM
Hate to tell you Bucko I have lived in a few country's and a good chunk of the states.

You can continue to ASSuMe but its not going to go well for you.


Your grammar is as poor as your "opinions"; "Country's" is possessive. "Countries" is plural.

And now, back to Chicken Little spouting the imminence of THE END of times............................

S.V. Airlie
01-27-2008, 10:38 AM
I would lay money there is a Bidet in his house....If I could get one cheap I would want one too.http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/images/icons/icon10.gif

I doubt whether he cares about the price. He probably is one of the richest folks in the neigborhood. He's a PLUMBER:D

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 10:39 AM
People don't need the gubmint to do anything but get out of their way.




I agree... But to think all these people planned on ending up here is wrong. Different things happen to different people.
What would have happened if your mom became ill, or some other crossroad was met at the wrong time.
Once you fall, its damn near impossible to climb out.
To say all these people are just substance abusers and freeloaders is like me saying they are all Mother Theresa.

There are no right answers except that we never saw this as widespread as before and its getting worse.
Should we just ignore that? Heard them into camps and gas them?

Tylerdurden
01-27-2008, 10:39 AM
Your grammar is as poor as your "opinions"; "Country's" is possessive. "Countries" is plural.

And now, back to Chicken Little spouting the imminence of THE END of times............................

Thanks Donn2, Now kiss my arse.

S.V. Airlie
01-27-2008, 10:43 AM
eleseus

I think the correct wording is " the end of time..." not times:rolleyes::rolleyes: Singular not plural..me thinks

Don't call the kettle black especially when one is correcting another and making a similiar, or like, mistake...

S/V Laura Ellen
01-27-2008, 10:58 AM
People don't need the gubmint to do anything but get out of their way.


The issue that I thought Mark is discussing is the failure in the sub-prime mortgage market. It has nothing to do with the government. It has everything to do with greed.
The mortgage business is broken and needs to be fixed. The mortgage brokers have no stake in the viability of the deals they broker. Once they write the deal, they get their fee and have no further stake in the deal. The banks get greedier, allow the brokers to sell mortgages that were bound to fail, and are now crying for help. It isn't the government that will bail them out, it's us. In the mean time the source of operating funds for many companies is drying up as the banks hunker down and lick their wounds. With out a normal amount a available loans many companies will be hurt, which in turn impact the employees and investors. Who got rich? bank executives and mortgage brokerages.

Spin_Drift
01-27-2008, 11:02 AM
Mark, I think it's nice you help out others as you do.



Homelessness and poverty is pretty widespread :( :eek:

Warning, explicit photo... not for squeamish...

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa111/Spin_Drift/AnchorageNofood.jpg

LeeG
01-27-2008, 11:20 AM
thanks for others to provide some context to Marks hysteria.

It's a camp for a variety of folks in a region of a few million. The climate allows for open air encampment so it'll stand out compared to one van parked in a parking lot or the thousands along the coast.

JBreeze
01-27-2008, 11:31 AM
A slightly different take on the mortgage promblems is that government did have a lot to do with the current problems.

1st, there was a major change in the US banking laws in the 1990's that changed the character of banks and allowed them to participate in other areas of finance.

2nd, the Fed allowed rates to remain too low for too long, which deluded many into thinking the real estate boom would go on forever.

3rd, state banking regulators did nothing to interefere with some predatory practices affecting dreamy, and perhaps uneducated people with regard to the mortages that were sold.

4th, the SEC and other gov't regulators ignored a lot of financial chicanery performed by the investment entities.

5th, the politicians didn't use their bully-pulpits to warn about the impending problems and let the markets continue unfettered.

Lots of blame to spread around, IMHO.

rotund1
01-27-2008, 11:41 AM
I considered the change in bankruptcy to be fair warning. Heck it was the only thing done in the past 6 years.

Duncan Gibbs
01-28-2008, 06:13 AM
Either way, if it's substance abuse, bad debt, sudden unemployment or any other kind of reason, the fact that this situation exists in a nation that can spend one and a half trillion dollars waging war on a hunch just doesn't seem right, does it now. :rolleyes:

Joe (SoCal)
01-28-2008, 06:45 AM
Woke up this morning and the forums back and this thread is on top so it got me thinking. Mark asked me if I ever did anything to help. Well I'm more of a hands on kinda guy. So when I used to live in Philly or NYC and I would spy a homeless man or woman panhandling I would always give them something, still do. But there have been more than a few times a homeless person would go the extra mile and come up with a really good story about how they were hungry or something. Instead of just giving money I would offer to take them and buy them lunch or dinner. Funny how more than a couple of times they would go no thats OK I'll just take the money. At which point I would usually press the issue, but you said you haven't eaten in days lets go and get you something to eat. On a couple of rare occasions I would get the confession. Listen buddy I can eat all I want at so and so parish and the food is good, I need some money so I can GET HIGH. I would say thanks for finally being honest, now it might be time to be honest with yourself.

But If I saw a cold person on the street I would come back with a coat and they were very appreciative. Speaking of the iPhone I even recycled my old cell phones to a place that gave them out to woman in abusive situations so they could call 911.

Most important to people that I know who are going through any hard time I'm there above an beyond. Few years ago I had a friend who's husband was a prick, she left with three kids and no place to go. They all lived with me for a couple of weeks until she could figure it out. My pull out is always available and my cupboards are open to anyone who knows me. And THATS what most people need is a good support system of friends and relatives, when they get caught in a jam.

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 06:50 AM
thanks for others to provide some context to Marks hysteria.

It's a camp for a variety of folks in a region of a few million. The climate allows for open air encampment so it'll stand out compared to one van parked in a parking lot or the thousands along the coast.

hysteria?

You like seeing this in your country?

Like I said we can always run down the homeless figures to see if the problem is diminishing, Would you like that?

You and the brain dead one seen to think it has nothing to do with the housing bubble but in fact it has everything to do with it.
Want to see if a person on a minimum wage job can afford the median rents in that area?
Your compassion is amazing.

Milo Christensen
01-28-2008, 06:51 AM
Oh sorry, I don't have your agenda...........
Hey everybody look I am riding my bike!
I am riding my bike uphill now!
This is my New Iphone, and you all suck!
Heres my new GF!
Heres where I drink and annoy others!
Look I am on My bike again!
Here I am In a dress!
Oh I am sailing now!
Look Look look ! . . .

But you have an agenda:

Hey everybody look I am beating a dead horse!
Now I am beating a different dead horse!
This is my conspiracy theory, and you all suck!
Here's my new conspiracy theory!
Here's where I call others names and annoy others!
Look I am beating the dead horse again!
Here I am with another conspiracy theory!
Oh I am angry now!
Look Look look ! . . .

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 06:53 AM
But you have an agenda:

Hey everybody look I am beating a dead horse!
Now I am beating a different dead horse!
This is my conspiracy theory, and you all suck!
Here's my new conspiracy theory!
Here's where I call others names and annoy others!
Look I am beating the dead horse again!
Here I am with another conspiracy theory!
Oh I am angry now!
Look Look look ! . . .

Milo, still pissed about the Ron Paul can kiss my arse thread?
You think anyone will notice that?

Milo Christensen
01-28-2008, 07:06 AM
I like you Mark, but you do get tiresome from time to time. I couldn't resist. Anyway, arguing with Joe takes special training in working with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). The first lesson is that the worst thing you can do is argue with an NPD. This give them the attention they crave.

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 07:10 AM
I like you Mark, but you do get tiresome from time to time. I couldn't resist. Anyway, arguing with Joe takes special training in working with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). The first lesson is that the worst thing you can do is argue with an NPD. This give them the attention they crave.

It also exposes them for what they are.http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/images/icons/icon10.gif

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 07:13 AM
Woke up this morning and the forums back and this thread is on top so it got me thinking. Mark asked me if I ever did anything to help. Well I'm more of a hands on kinda guy. So when I used to live in Philly or NYC and I would spy a homeless man or woman panhandling I would always give them something, still do. But there have been more than a few times a homeless person would go the extra mile and come up with a really good story about how they were hungry or something. Instead of just giving money I would offer to take them and buy them lunch or dinner. Funny how more than a couple of times they would go no thats OK I'll just take the money. At which point I would usually press the issue, but you said you haven't eaten in days lets go and get you something to eat. On a couple of rare occasions I would get the confession. Listen buddy I can eat all I want at so and so parish and the food is good, I need some money so I can GET HIGH. I would say thanks for finally being honest, now it might be time to be honest with yourself.

But If I saw a cold person on the street I would come back with a coat and they were very appreciative. Speaking of the iPhone I even recycled my old cell phones to a place that gave them out to woman in abusive situations so they could call 911.

Most important to people that I know who are going through any hard time I'm there above an beyond. Few years ago I had a friend who's husband was a prick, she left with three kids and no place to go. They all lived with me for a couple of weeks until she could figure it out. My pull out is always available and my cupboards are open to anyone who knows me. And THATS what most people need is a good support system of friends and relatives, when they get caught in a jam.

Dude, I was waiting for you to say you perform sex acts on the homeless...to ease their suffering.
The people in Cold Spring are so giving.. as long as they stay out of you neighborhoods.

You are Mother Theresa reincarnate http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/images/icons/icon10.gif

Joe (SoCal)
01-28-2008, 07:14 AM
You have no idea what anything is let alone me.
Bwaaaaaa ha ha ™

Its a freekin WoodenBoat forum and people think they get more than a glimpse into anyone life or troubles from these silly little electrons on a computer screen. :rolleyes: Geeezus come on you see what you want to see and people show you what they want to show you. :p

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 07:24 AM
You have no idea what anything is let alone me.
Bwaaaaaa ha ha ™

Its a freekin WoodenBoat forum and people think they get more than a glimpse into anyone life or troubles from these silly little electrons on a computer screen. :rolleyes: Geeezus come on you see what you want to see and people show you what they want to show you. :p

So you mean your not shallow and self centered in real life?

Milo Christensen
01-28-2008, 07:28 AM
I like you Joe, but you do get tiresome from time to time. I couldn't resist. Anyway, arguing with Mark takes special training in working with paranoia. The first lesson is that the worst thing you can do is argue with a paranoid. This gives them the "someone's out to get me" the paranoid needs to stay paranoid.

Duncan Gibbs
01-28-2008, 07:30 AM
There is probably some kind of middle ground to be had here:

1. Not all homeless people are drug-addicts and not all homelessnes in the USA is due to structural problems in the economy and failure in government services.

2. A proportion of homeless people are homeless because of substance abuse and rotten choices and a proportion of homeless people have been made homeless because of structural problems in the economy and failure in government services.

3. Both of you, Mark and Joe, I'm absolutely sure, do the good Samaritan thang whenever you come across people in need.

4. That shanty towns exist in a country that squnders so much filthy wonga on a useless war is just plain wrong.

Can we agree on this much?

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 07:33 AM
I like you Joe, but you do get tiresome from time to time. I couldn't resist. Anyway, arguing with Mark takes special training in working with paranoia. The first lesson is that the worst thing you can do is argue with a paranoid. This gives them the "someone's out to get me" the paranoid needs to stay paranoid.

Milo, Was I paranoid about the housing bubble/ derivatives over a year ago?

Is it paranoid if it comes to be?

Check back next year and we will see how many are living in tents in comparison to this year.

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 07:38 AM
I live in a state which has a bit of a backwoods or country economy.
The average rent for a one bedroom apt. is $750 and up.
One must pass a credit check to qualify for all but the worst.
Minimum wage will barely cover the rent alone. And jobs are becoming very scarce.

No problem with homelessness here?

Joe (SoCal)
01-28-2008, 07:44 AM
I like you too Milo ;)

LeeG
01-28-2008, 08:09 AM
For a scenic shanty town check out the ocean access at Navarro Beach where Hwy 128 and 1 intersect. Actually it's not a shanty town but it's nice when the fog lifts.

Joe (SoCal)
01-28-2008, 08:11 AM
For a scenic shanty town check out the ocean access at Navarro Beach where Hwy 128 and 1 intersect. Actually it's not a shanty town but it's nice when the fog lifts.

http://www.navarro-by-the-sea-center.org/grafs/fletcherinn.jpg

Nice

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 08:12 AM
For a scenic shanty town check out the ocean access at Navarro Beach where Hwy 128 and 1 intersect. Actually it's not a shanty town but it's nice when the fog lifts.

Drinking some "twisted" tea this morning Lee?

LeeG
01-28-2008, 08:19 AM
Joe, how'd you get that so quick?

Here's why it's cool, where that photo is taken is a telephoto halfway down Hwy1 on the other side. When you're riding a bicyle south it's down wind and then down hill. You can FLY down it.

I'm guessing the parking lot gets cleared out regularly but I was surprised to see it become more of semishanty lot one year.

Just south of there is the climb up Cameron Road to Greenwood Ridge/Philo Rd. Gorgeous, gorgeous riding.

S.V. Airlie
01-28-2008, 08:20 AM
=LeeG;1749262]Joe, how'd you get that so quick?[/SIZE]

Here's why it's cool, where that photo is taken is a telephoto halfway down Hwy1 on the other side. When you're riding a bicyle south it's down wind and then down hill. You can FLY down it.

I'm guessing the parking lot gets cleared out regularly but I was surprised to see it become more of semishanty lot one year.

Just south of there is the climb up Cameron Road to Greenwood Ridge/Philo Rd. Gorgeous, gorgeous riding.

He's using a MAC!

LeeG
01-28-2008, 08:49 AM
nope, I think he has MAC implants in his brain and that's why he's f*cking with Mark.

TimH
01-28-2008, 11:18 AM
California has huge economic problems and is going to have to cancel many social programs. Things will get worse before they get better.

Robmill0605
01-28-2008, 11:38 AM
Notice the use of "Schindlers List" music ? In an attempt to imply that the homeless here are all" victims" of a US style ecomonic 'holocost'?

Just propoganda.

Let's look at the real numbers . Unempolyment is around 5 percent. That is an very low number.
Jimmy Carter?
10 percent and higher.
The last rate I saw for a 30 year fixed mortgage around 6 percent.
Jimmy Carter?
18 percent.
You lost your credibility with this statement:

"Its like me living in Kenebunk next to the Nazi family Bush and saying there is no homeless issue."

Nazi family Bush?

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 11:46 AM
Notice the use of "Schindlers List" music ? In an attempt to imply that the homeless here are all" victims" of a US style ecomonic 'holocost'?

Just propoganda.

Let's look at the real numbers . Unempolyment is around 5 percent. That is an very low number.
Jimmy Carter?
10 percent and higher.
The last rate I saw for a 30 year fixed mortgage around 6 percent.
Jimmy Carter?
18 percent.
You lost your credibility with this statement:

"Its like me living in Kenebunk next to the Nazi family Bush and saying there is no homeless issue."

Nazi family Bush?

Yeah, Try computing the unemployment numbers using Carters criteria. Will be a bit of a shock to your system to find out what you posted is a lie.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c350/mudhutwarrior/republican-lies-20050621-164650.jpg

Milo Christensen
01-28-2008, 11:48 AM
. . . Nazi family Bush?

There's enough controversy about the Bush's Nazi business dealings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush#Nazi_collaboration_controversy)that it's a valid historical statement.

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 11:49 AM
"Its like me living in Kenebunk next to the Nazi family Bush and saying there is no homeless issue."

Nazi family Bush?

Barbara Bush: Things Working Out 'Very Well' for Poor Evacuees from New Orleans

By E&P Staff

Published: September 05, 2005 7:25 PM ET updated 8:00 PM
NEW YORK Accompanying her husband, former President George
H.W.Bush, on a tour of hurricane relief centers in
Houston, Barbara Bush said today, referring to the
poor who had lost everything back home and evacuated, "This is working very well for them."

The former First Lady's remarks were aired this
evening on American Public Media's "Marketplace"
program.

She was part of a group in Houston today at the
Astrodome that included her husband and former
President Bill Clinton, who were chosen by her son,
the current president, to head fundraising efforts for
the recovery. Sen. Hilary Clinton and Sen. Barack
Obama were also present.

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of
evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost
everyone I’ve talked to says we're going to move to
Houston."

Then she added: "What I’m hearing which is sort of
scary is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is
so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you
know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she
chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054719

Robmill0605
01-28-2008, 11:52 AM
Bank of America was making loans to illegalswho couldn't even speak english. They were issuing credit cards to illegals. Making loans , mostly adjustable, with no money down, inflating the appraised value of homes, and making " equity" loans on that inflated value.
So now, instead of a 100,00 mortgage on a home, you have a 300,000 mortgage on a home thats really worth 150,000. So that means that you cannot refinance it because it will now not appraise for the exisitng mortgage!
So your intrest only, adjustable mortgage went from a $1100 payment to $2800.
The mortgage crisis will weed out the people who should have never recieved these loans in the first place!

BOA losses in the last quarter were 15 BILLION dollars.

Maybe they should send their collection notices in Spanish to the tent city.

Dan McCosh
01-28-2008, 11:56 AM
Bank of America was making loans to illegalswho couldn't even speak english. They were issuing credit cards to illegals. Making loans , mostly adjustable, with no money down, inflating the appraised value of homes, and making " equity" loans on that inflated value.
So now, instead of a 100,00 mortgage on a home, you have a 300,000 mortgage on a home thats really worth 150,000. So that means that you cannot refinance it because it will now not appraise for the exisitng mortgage!
So your intrest only, adjustable mortgage went from a $1100 payment to $2800.
The mortgage crisis will weed out the people who should have never recieved these loans in the first place!

BOA losses in the last quarter were 15 BILLION dollars.

Maybe they should send their collection notices in Spanish to the tent city.


It does sound like criminal fraud. Who will be the first CEO to be indicted?

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 12:00 PM
Bank of America was making loans to illegalswho couldn't even speak english. They were issuing credit cards to illegals. Making loans , mostly adjustable, with no money down, inflating the appraised value of homes, and making " equity" loans on that inflated value.
So now, instead of a 100,00 mortgage on a home, you have a 300,000 mortgage on a home thats really worth 150,000. So that means that you cannot refinance it because it will now not appraise for the exisitng mortgage!
So your intrest only, adjustable mortgage went from a $1100 payment to $2800.
The mortgage crisis will weed out the people who should have never recieved these loans in the first place!

BOA losses in the last quarter were 15 BILLION dollars.

Maybe they should send their collection notices in Spanish to the tent city.

Okay so we know we lost the first argument so we will go on a racist rant and blame everything on those GD illegals.
It was those GD illegals who put a gun to those bankers heads.

Man you are one sorry slice of wonder bread.

Robmill0605
01-28-2008, 12:02 PM
It does sound like criminal fraud. Who will be the first CEO to be indicted?


They won'r be, the CEO of Countrywide who has been paid 400 million dollars in salary so far, drove it into the ground, just got fired, but guess what?

He has a contract which says if he goes, he gets 81 million in severence.
And you wonder what the problem is?

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 12:04 PM
They won'r be, the CEO of Countrywide who has been paid 400 million dollars in salary so far, drove it into the ground, just got fired, but guess what?

He has a contract which says if he goes, he gets 81 million in severence.
And you wonder what the problem is?

Its those GD illegals and all the extra costs of printing in Spanish.http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/images/icons/icon10.gif

TimH
01-28-2008, 12:06 PM
They won'r be, the CEO of Countrywide who has been paid 400 million dollars in salary so far, drove it into the ground, just got fired, but guess what?

He has a contract which says if he goes, he gets 81 million in severence.
And you wonder what the problem is?

Well as George Roberts has said...he probably works harder than the average Joe, therefore he is worth 10,000 times the pay. :rolleyes:

TimH
01-28-2008, 12:07 PM
If there was accountability for failure instead of reward in the upper echelons of management things would probably be a lot different in this country.

Robmill0605
01-28-2008, 12:07 PM
Okay so we know we lost the first argument so we will go on a racist rant and blame everything on those GD illegals.
It was those GD illegals who put a gun to those bankers heads.

Man you are one sorry slice of wonder bread.

I haven't lost anything.
You immeadiately throw out the racist card to try to gain the high ground?
It ain't flying.
Typical democrat.

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 12:09 PM
I haven't lost anything.
You immeadiately throw out the racist card to try to gain the high ground?
It ain't flying.
Typical democrat.
[/quote]
Bank of America was making loans to illegalswho couldn't even speak english. They were issuing credit cards to illegals.[/quote]

Your words Zippy, not mine.

PS I am neither a democrat or a republican. Both parties hate me equally.

Robmill0605
01-28-2008, 12:19 PM
The illegals are just an illustration as well as part of the problem. There is no accountibility in this. The banks, the real estate brokers and the real estate speculators are the culprit here. I bring up the illegals not to blame only them, but to illustrate just how far the banks etc would go.
I live in Florida where the illegals are now self deporting because the construction industry is dead.
The real estate market is dead. The mortgae broker fast buck artists are gone.
One of my friends is a home builder. Last year he built 125 houses in Lehigh Fl. He just went BK.
Another friend just refinanced his house. Luckly, he had not borrowered against it. Guess what?
The bank now required a 700 beacon credit score and more than 20 percent equity AFTER the new loan.

To be clear, I'm not a Bush fan, I guess you'd say the Kennedy's are nazis because Joe Sr. was a Nazi sympathizer and was booted out from England?
guess he was a racist too?

Robmill0605
01-28-2008, 12:22 PM
[/quote]
Bank of America was making loans to illegalswho couldn't even speak english. They were issuing credit cards to illegals.[/quote]

Your words Zippy, not mine.
.....

How about not making this personal?

ok sparky?

Tylerdurden
01-28-2008, 12:24 PM
To be clear, I'm not a Bush fan, I guess you'd say the Kennedy's are nazis because Joe Sr. was a Nazi sympathizer and was booted out from England?
guess he was a racist too?

Yes, Not much separates that family from the Gambinos or Capones.

I do have great respect for JFK and RFK, they tried to change things.
Look where it got them.
Ted is a POS and I wouldn't give much for the rest of them.

Robmill0605
01-28-2008, 12:25 PM
Yes, Not much separates that family from the Gambinos or Capones.

I do have great respect for JFK and RFK, they tried to change things.
Look where it got them.
Ted is a POS and I wouldn't give much for the rest of them.


Finally,

we agree.

George Roberts
01-28-2008, 12:49 PM
"Well as George Roberts has said...he probably works harder than the average Joe, therefore he is worth 10,000 times the pay."

I don't think I said that in this particular case but ...

The gentleman was responsible to the shareholders. I suspect he did well for some of them. I suspect the last ones out will curse him.

Bank of America seems to have tossed a couple billion toward Countrywide. On that alone the CEO seems to have been worth the $500 million he has been paid.

---

I am sorry you think the damage the company did to the economy is his fault and you want a pound or more of his flesh.

Go get him.

---

Everyday in every market people have been going bankrupt or have been foreclosed on for decades. You guys are upset that a lot of people have chosen to have the problem today.

Not one of you questioned easy money when you needed it. Yes, some of you have never needed it , but you still would not have questioned it.

Lots of problems. Lots of blame. We all need to accept some.

tattooed john
01-29-2008, 06:26 AM
Nah.