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Tylerdurden
12-13-2007, 07:51 AM
justin / 06.Dec.2007 09:12 PM
I wrote Senator Obama (my senator from Illinois) about this act (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1959), which is now in a committee of his (the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/committee.xpd?id=SSGA)). I asked that he read the bill (not to insult his intelligence, but after the Patriot Act it appears this is a necessary request for most senators), and that he recognize the dire consequences that could result from its vague language. Example:
(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term ‘ideologically based violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs.
The word “force” being fairly ambiguous, a judge could interpret my saying “let’s kick Bush out of office” as threatened use of force to promote my political beliefs. I know that’s stretching it, but waterboarding “isn’t torture”, so definitions seem pretty loose nowadays.
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Advisory_Committee_Act): “FACA declared that all administrative procedures and hearings were to be public knowledge.” From the VRHTPA: “The Federal Advisory Committee Act … shall not apply to the Commission.” However, “The Commission shall hold public hearings and meetings to the extent appropriate.”
“In carrying out this [act], the Secretary shall ensure that the efforts of the Department … do not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.”
It’s sad that this has to be included (it should be assumed, no?), but I guess it lays to rest my fears if it’s followed. It depends on who the “Secretary” is, which I can’t figure out from reading the bill, but if it’s Condoleezza I can be sure that my civil liberties will be protected. …
This also isn’t a law. If it passes, it will form a committee who will then decide what should be done about Homegrown Terrorism. But with definitions like number 4 up there going into its creation, and with mentalities such as “people who make numerous references to the US Constitution are potential terrorists”*, it’s scary to think what could become of it.
*Don’t believe me? Video (http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&gid=157767&vid=182561&b=106) Flyer front (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/images/FBI-MCSOTerroristFlyer-Front.jpg) Flyer back (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/images/FBI-MCSOTerroristFlyer-Back.jpg)
This is Senator Obama’s response to my message:
Dear Justin:
Thank you for contacting me to share your thoughts regarding the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. I appreciate hearing from you.
As you know, this legislation, as referred to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security, would amend the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to create a national commission to examine and prepare a report on the causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States. The legislation would also establish a Center of Excellence to study the roots of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism and methods that can be used by Federal, State, local, and tribal homeland security officials to mitigate and prevent homegrown terrorism. The American people understand that new threats require flexible responses to keep them safe. They also insist that our responses to threats respect the constitution and do not violate the basic tenets of our democracy. The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act includes provisions prohibiting the Department of Homeland Security’s efforts from violating civil rights and civil liberties of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.
As you mention, this legislation passed the House on October 23, 2007. I will keep your important comments in mind as I work with my colleagues on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs. I will work to ensure that this legislation helps to achieve our domestic security objectives while protecting civil liberties and constitutional rights.
Thank you again for contacting me. Please keep in touch.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama United States Senator
He’s quite eloquent, you’ve got to give him that. This act “includes provisions prohibiting the Department of Homeland Security’s efforts from violating civil rights and civil liberties of U.S. citizens.” Didn’t we used to have something like that? What was it called? Oh right… The Constitution.



http://blog.catgofire.com/2007/12/7/violent-radicalization-and-homegrown-terrorism-prevention-act-of-2007

Ian McColgin
12-13-2007, 07:56 AM
I sent a letter to my rep asking why he voted for the thing. Similar explanation that the law enforcement parts per se are not expansions of law enforcement as it is now, but the scholarly research and education is needed.

I'm a little comforted, at any rate far less reved up as some of my more radical friends.

Milo Christensen
12-13-2007, 08:54 AM
. . . far less reved up as some of my more radical friends.

OMG! Didn't think that could be possible. But if you have more radical friends then this legislation is definitely needed!

Tylerdurden
12-13-2007, 08:59 AM
OMG! Didn't think that could be possible. But if you have more radical friends then this legislation is definitely needed!

Milo, I am the most radical of them!! Actually I presume much (friends). He is mine though.

Kaa
12-13-2007, 11:27 AM
He’s quite eloquent, you’ve got to give him that.

Huh? This is content-free bull**** most likely written by an intern...

Kaa

Tanbark Spanker
12-13-2007, 04:31 PM
Does this include 'dumper-dragging' people with opposing views through the streets of West Texas towns? I mean, where's the yee-haw, my brother, where's the yee-haw.

Osborne Russell
12-13-2007, 08:58 PM
OMG! Didn't think that could be possible. But if you have more radical friends then this legislation is definitely needed!

You'd pee your pants if you ever met a radical. If you think Ian is a radical you must be from someplace with about 80 miles of fiberglass insulation around it.

Osborne Russell
12-13-2007, 09:03 PM
The legislation would also establish a Center of Excellence to study . . .

I can't imagine what such a thing might be, but anything that can be given so stupid a name is ipso facto out of the question.

No doubt it's another device for politicians to hand out tax money to their friends, or, pardon me, their "consultants", their "experts" and their "staff."