View Full Version : Just say YES! to Michigan.

Milo Christensen
12-11-2007, 08:33 AM
Our weather here in south central Michigan can be quite remarkably interesting:

Today: Periods of freezing rain before 1pm, then periods of rain and sleet between 1pm and 3pm, then periods of sleet between 3pm and 5pm, then periods of rain and sleet after 5pm. High near 34. West southwest wind between 7 and 9 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total daytime ice accumulation of 0.1 to 0.3 of an inch possible. Total daytime sleet accumulation of less than a half inch possible.

Tonight: Periods of rain and sleet before 7pm, then periods of snow and sleet, mainly between 7pm and midnight, then a chance of flurries after 4am. Low around 25. Northwest wind between 9 and 13 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow and sleet accumulation of less than a half inch possible.

So, have you ever had to chip a quarter inch of ice off your windshield then go for a nice 33 mile drive on a ice/sleet covered freeway?

Phillip Allen
12-11-2007, 08:35 AM
yes...but not every winter It must be the price for residing in such an enlightened state :)

Paul Pless
12-11-2007, 08:44 AM
So, have you ever had to chip a quarter inch of ice off your windshield then go for a nice 33 mile drive on a ice/sleet covered freeway?Uhhh.... no.:D

today's forecast for wetumpka:p
Partly cloudy. High around 80F. Winds SSE at 5 to 10 mph.

12-11-2007, 08:56 AM
To make the ice scraping easier, I keep a spray bottle of that de-icing windshield washer fluid handy. A few squirts, leave it for a few seconds while you get the engine started, and the ice surrenders to the scraper far more readily.

The good thing about your 33 mile drive is that it gives you motivation to do a proper job of ice removal. Too bad we have to share the roads with the yahoos that only clear a 6" circle in front of their face because they're "just going down the road a bit".

Milo Christensen
12-11-2007, 09:03 AM
Yes... just yesterday morning, in fact.

Yeah, I heard. I was on the phone to folks in Worcester a lot yesterday. Just giving you a chance to find some common ground with me. :p

John of Phoenix
12-11-2007, 09:14 AM
Even when it gets to 115*F around here, I don't miss cold weather.

"We never have to shovel sunshine." :)

12-11-2007, 10:07 AM
So, have you ever had to chip a quarter inch of ice off your windshield then go for a nice 33 mile drive on a ice/sleet covered freeway?

When I lived in Michigan I did :D

Nothing like wondering "am I going to be able to stop?" every time you come to an intersection :D

12-11-2007, 10:23 AM
So, have you ever had to chip a quarter inch of ice off your windshield quarter of an inch ? , wow ..

cbc news report on a storm last week ..

'Heavy ice on power lines caused a massive electrical outage in parts of Newfoundland Wednesday. A storm whipped across the island overnight, coating power lines with thick ice.

Thousands of customers lost power temporarily.
About 65,000 of the 175,000 customers serviced by Newfoundland Power in the eastern Avalon Peninsula are still without electricity.

As much 20-centimetres of ice built up on the two main hydroelectric lines that feed power to the peninsula.'

top that , sunshine .. :rolleyes:

John of Phoenix
12-11-2007, 11:24 AM
I did a business trip to Phoenix in mid-summer once... I figure that when I die, I'll have my body shipped there... best and cheapest way to be turned directly into a mummy!
It would work too.
I made the mistake of leaving my wallet on the car seat one sunny summer day. The numbers on the credit card melted back to FLAT.

Taylor Tarvin
12-11-2007, 12:47 PM
Wow John that is hot! As hot as it gets here it still takes my wife to melt the numbers on a credit card flat.

John of Phoenix
12-11-2007, 01:42 PM
Norman, that was the Pinnacle Peak Steakhouse. - quite famous for the tie policy.
When first opened in 1957, the Pinnacle Peak was a general store and rest stop for travelers heading to nearby lakes. To boost sales of his small business, the owner decided to serve dinner on the weekends. It was a great success - and the rest is restaurant history. What started as a weekend cookout has grown into the world's largest western steakhouse with seating for 1800 people inside and outside for 2000.

Pinnacle Peak Patio is renowned for its delicious mesquite broiled steaks, casual western atmosphere, and its "NO NECKTIE POLICY." This "no necktie" tradition was started one night when a Phoenix executive came in for dinner. The original owner, wanting to keep the atmosphere in his restaurant casual, told the executive, "Either you take that tie off, or I'll cut it off." The executive did not take heed and was appalled when the owner pulled out a butcher knife and promptly cut off the offending cravat.

Wanting to be recognized as a victim of this absurd policy, the executive demanded that his tie be prominently displayed for all to see. The necktie was stapled to the rafters along with a business card identifying its victim. Pinnacle Peak is very serious about its "no necktie" policy and over the past 48 years has cut over a million ties from unsuspecting customers.

As for cooling down at night, that happens in the spring and early summer and it's just beautiful. The sun sets and the temp drops five to 10 degrees immediately, 30 degrees overnight. In late July the "monsoon season" thunderstorms run the humidity to up to 90% and thru September it's pretty miserable around the clock but - we don't have to shovel sunshine. :)

Taylor - :D

12-11-2007, 01:43 PM
BS....I remember the winter of 1964......left Myrtle Beach S.C. in my 61 TR-3A......thundershowers across Tennessee practically drowned me...hitting Aridzona almost froze my bu## off, snow was so deep on the roads tractor trailers were pulled off to the side, cars in the ditches and it was all my little 4 banger could do to ride on top of the snow 'cause I had to be on the docks in SF before Saturday midnight.......t'ain't hot there always.....

12-11-2007, 01:59 PM

12-11-2007, 04:41 PM
I would really rather have snow instead of the slop we have right now. You can't tell what's frozen and what's not, headlights just reflect a wet glare, and everything has this persistant cold dampness.

Dan McCosh
12-11-2007, 04:53 PM
FWIW, I'm in Phoenix right now, and its cold, raining, with predictions of snow. Left Michigan with the boat encased in ice, but kind of cozy down below.

John of Phoenix
12-11-2007, 05:37 PM
Ahoy Dan. Yeah, welcome to sunny Arizona. What the ... ???

We've had four days of showers. It hasn't rained this much in seven years. Thanks for bringing it down with you. It's supposed to clear up tomorrow and be more typical sunny and cool the rest of the week. Hope you'll see some sunshine before you leave. Will you be here long?

Flying Orca
12-11-2007, 06:28 PM

Say, that icebreaker looks familiar, but I can't make out the name - do you know?

12-11-2007, 07:02 PM
Say, that icebreaker looks familiar, but I can't make out the name - do you know?

Looks like the Martha L Black:


Quebec Region Coast Guard Fleet

NGCC Martha L Black

Technical specifications (http://www.marinfo.gc.ca/en/Flotte/MarthaBlack.asp#SPECS)
The CCGS Martha L Black is known for her versatility, that allows her to offer marine support to the regional programs.

http://www.marinfo.gc.ca/images/Flotte/250px-Black.jpg (http://www.marinfo.gc.ca/images/Flotte/500px-Black.jpg)
Source: GCC Her primary mission as a buoy tender is to lay, recover and service buoys using her heavy lifting boom, whose maximum lifting capacity is 20 tons. She also carries out fixed aids maintenance and reconstruction operations..
The vessel's AC/AC propulsion system with cycloconverter and special bow enable her to conduct icebreaking and ship escort operations in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and on the St. Lawrence and Saguenay Rivers, as well as in the St. Lawrence Seaway.
The Martha L Black was overhauled a few years ago to ensure that she can effectively carry out scientific missions in the Estuary and Gulf of St,. Lawrence. As well, she is regularly assigned to search and rescue operations because of her manoeuvrability.
The vessel is also assigned to pollution response operations and fishing monitoring activities. She is equipped with a helicopter deck. Although the Martha L Black is based in Québec, she can be deployed anywhere like all other Coast Guard vesse;sé
technical specifications

TypeBrise-glace léger, grand baliseurLength83 mBreadth16,2 mDraft6 mFull charge displacement5 028,8 tmPower5 250kWMaximum speed15,1 noeudsCruising speed13 noeudsCore crew25BuilderVersatile Pacific Shipyards Inc, C.B.Year built1986

Flying Orca
12-11-2007, 07:12 PM
Yep looks like her.

I love the big icebreakers - I still remember (and I was just a little tyke) watching the Sir John A. and the Manhattan when they reached Resolute.

My folks spent quite some time aboard the Des Groseilliers and the Louis St Laurent when they were on the SHEBA project. Now that's a trip I think I'd have enjoyed - they froze the Des Gros into the Arctic icepack and rode the ice for about a year.

12-12-2007, 12:23 PM
more likely the 'Ann Harvey' (St. John's)


her and the 'Sir Wilfred Grenfell' were both there

12-12-2007, 12:26 PM
Thats not an ice breaker....

THIS is an ice breaker :-)


12-12-2007, 12:34 PM
here's a bigger one , a ferry


when it come to sea ice , size (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2004/02/28/ferries_ice040228.html)does matter,

the ruskies got some mofo ice breakers , could eat that little 83 number

http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/jpgs/Yamal_July_2000.jpgscary bad

12-12-2007, 01:06 PM
Unfortunately the Mac has been recently retired...

"'BIG MAC' USCGC ICEBREAKER MACKINAW (WAGB-83): 'Big Mac' as sometimes the U.S. Coast Guard [icebreaker] is called, is shown here beginning early March icebreaking operations in the Straits of Mackinac, heralding the spring opening of Great Lakes shipping. An HO4S-2G helicopter (From Coast Guard Air Station, Traverse City, Michigan) perched on the stern makes ice surveys for the icebreaker during its 6 to 8 weeks of icebreaking operations. The Coast Guard Cutter MACKINAW was specially designed and built for icebreaking on the Great Lakes. Normally lake ice thaws at the end of April, but the MACKINAW has opened Great Lakes shipping lanes as early as the third week in March, thus facilitating the early shipping of millions of tons of iron ore and other materials. Usually at the first week in March the MACKINAW heads first for the strategic area of the Straits of Mackinac to begin ice operations and as conditions permit works up though the Soo Locks, to Whitefish Bay and areas of the St. Mary's River, then to the head of Lake Superior. Later the icebreaker works in the lower Lakes' areas.
The MACKINAW is literally land-locked, her size not permitting her to leave the Great Lakes. Built of steel, 'Big Mac's' length is 290 ft., beam 74 ft., draft 19 ft., displacement 5,252 tons, maximum speed 16 knots. A diesel electric power plant delivers 10,000 h.p. through twin screws in the stern and one in the bow. The bow propeller is employed to churn the water beneath the ice, changing its static buoyancy. The resulting combined forward and downward motion when the MACKINAW drives its great bow onto the ice makes the icebreaker capable of breaking through 4 feet of solid sheet 'blue' ice. The MACKINAW has also plowed through 37 ft. of 'windrow' (broken) ice. It is capable of cutting a channel 70 ft. wide to accommodate the largest of the Great Lakes ore carriers.
During navigation season, the MACKINAW is used to handle the heaviest buoys on the lakes with the aid of its two 12-ton cranes, to carry fuel and supplies to light stations, to serve as a training ship, and to assist vessels in distress when necessary.
Built by the Toledo Shipbuilding Co., Ohio, the MACKINAW cost 10 million dollars when completed. The MACKINAW's keel was laid on March 20, 1943, and the icebreaker was commissioned on December 20, 1944. Its permanent homeport is Cheboygan, Michigan."



12-12-2007, 01:18 PM
When first commissioned, the Mackinaw was the most powerful icebreaker in the world. At the conclusion of her career, the Mackinaw was still the largest United States Coast Guard Cutter assigned to the Great Lakes and set the standards by which other icebreakers are measured.

Site (http://www.mightymac.org/cgcmackinaw.htm)

Video (http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.html?PV=6.0.12&&title=MackinawChristmasShip2003.26046&link=http%3A%2F%2Fpiersystem.com%2Fposted%2F443%2F MackinawChristmasShip2003.26046.wmv)



This is the fugly thing they replaced her with: