View Full Version : Closing the 'Collapse Gap': the USSR was better prepared for collapse than the US
Tylerdurden
10-30-2007, 09:52 AM
http://www.energybulletin.net/23259.html
Too much to post, wild read though.
Time for me to go back to reading "Survivalist" magazine...
Spin_Drift
10-30-2007, 10:19 AM
Hi Mark, what an interesting link. Thank you!!!:D
If more people know about this, the better they can be prepared.
We are pretty well ready for economic disaster, but I'm sure we can be more so.
Mark, what would you personally do to prepare for this impending "collapse"???
Tylerdurden
10-30-2007, 10:40 AM
Hi Mark, what an interesting link. Thank you!!!:D
If more people know about this, the better they can be prepared.
We are pretty well ready for economic disaster, but I'm sure we can be more so.
Mark, what would you personally do to prepare for this impending "collapse"???
Nothing really, I am prepared with some good basic skill sets but I think I will give it all up to faith and instinct to carry me through if that is what is required of me. I think I am better prepared than 99% of Americans because I am prepared mentally for it.
I think it is wise though to have good serviceable clothing and as much food as can be reasonably stored. Maybe some fuel for heat and lamp oil and good hand tools. A rifle with a decent store of ammo. All these things should be standard to handle any emergency or disaster.
I have many friends who are loaded for bear and good to go except if they have to move quickly. They will be less apt to move from their comfort centers if need be so there is a balance to be struck with how much you store and prepare. I think clear thought and simple items are ones best insurance.
Time to buy some acreage in a remote area, raise a few cattle, chickens, pigs, etc. Grow some veggies.
Of course everything needs to be off-grid.....
and stock up on water and ammo!
Let's move to Whidbey!
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of Northern California...Weaverville area.
Tylerdurden
10-30-2007, 03:18 PM
Don't let the door hit you two in the arse.
Don't let the door hit you two in the arse.
Thanks. I could have said the same to you a few days ago but didnt.
Tylerdurden
10-30-2007, 04:01 PM
Thanks. I could have said the same to you a few days ago but didnt.
You are truly noble.
I just don't care anymore. Sorry.
I can officially say I am so disgusted with everything I am constipated with it. Just Disgustipated.
Lots of people get that way this time of year. Deal with it.
Tylerdurden
10-30-2007, 04:15 PM
Lots of people get that way this time of year. Deal with it.
What does the time of the year have to do with it?
Days get shorter people get irritable. Its the lack of sunlight I believe.
Backfin
10-30-2007, 04:31 PM
"They" are shortening the days.
Spin_Drift
10-30-2007, 04:41 PM
We got off the subject... Mark's link has interesting info...
Lack of sunlight, shorted days... :eek: It seem to be easy to get reactive, but let's not direct it at a wrong target... :)
Northern California...Weaverville area ?
Did something bad happen there, I don't quite remember what it was?
Please refresh my memory. :)
We got off the subject... Mark's link has interesting info...
Lack of sunlight, shorted days... :eek: It seem to be easy to get reactive, but let's not direct it at a wrong target... :)
Northern California...Weaverville area ?
Did something bad happen there, I don't quite remember what it was?
Please refresh my memory. :)
not yet, I havent been there yet :D
"They" are shortening the days.
I have always suspected it was them, but havent been able to find proof.
Those bastages!!
Garrett Lowell
10-31-2007, 12:31 AM
"Closing the 'Collapse Gap': the USSR was better prepared for collapse than the US "
Bob Dylan said it best-when you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose.
Mark, don't forget to have your Rambo Knife sharpened and ready to go.
Spin_Drift
10-31-2007, 01:38 AM
Bob Dylan said it best-when you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose.
That might be, but you'd be in an awful weak position in life whether thing were good or bad... :(
Wouldn't you rather have more than enough of everything needed, including but not limited to, food, ammo, smoker (to dry and smoke meat and fish) gold and tradable items and a huge garden...:D
(and the guts to protect your family, close friends and the above)
seanz
10-31-2007, 01:56 AM
One of the reasons to take the article with a grain of salt ......it's obviously socialist propaganda.
:eek:
many crucial functions (like housing and transportation) were taken care of by the state sector which was more stable than a private sector would have been.
Not only but also the speech is from 2006 and the USA hasn't collapsed yet. Even if, from the outside looking in, certain people appear to be kicking out the props.
PeterSibley
10-31-2007, 02:18 AM
1929 wasn't a good year for capitalism ,I wonder with some of the current excesses ,whether the lessons of the first time have been learned ...or more recently forgotten .
The Bigfella
10-31-2007, 02:22 AM
Sounds like a solution to climate change problems to me
PeterSibley
10-31-2007, 02:41 AM
It would be that ...except for the war that follows .
Tylerdurden
10-31-2007, 07:32 AM
"Closing the 'Collapse Gap': the USSR was better prepared for collapse than the US "
Bob Dylan said it best-when you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose.
Mark, don't forget to have your Rambo Knife sharpened and ready to go.
I just don't understand why its so hard to grasp. In the 60's our country had a mandatory 6 month supply of food stock available for the population, today 3 to 5 days.
With all the catastrophic events that have happened lately you would think we all would want to be better prepared. Talk to anyone who went through the aftermath of Katrina if they plan to be unprepared and rely on the government to save them next time.
We have dodged many bullets lately because of timing but if a series of events occurs what will we do. We can barely handle what emergency's we have now.
I can tell you from me working at several prisons in NYS after 9/11 I was shocked to hear that they had a very hard time staffing for several days after the attack. It became a critical emergency and they were very close to bringing the national guard in to assist.
In Katrina same issue. So if have multiple problems happen at the same time and no one to help and what would happen then?
We take way to much for granted these days.
we live in a JIT world.
As long as our shipments of food and consumer goods from China arent late we will be in good order.
Of course people dont learn from history. People dont even KNOW about history.
Tylerdurden
10-31-2007, 09:27 AM
we live in a JIT world.
As long as our shipments of food and consumer goods from China arent late we will be in good order.
Of course people dont learn from history. People dont even KNOW about history.
So what happens when JIT comes to a halt?
So what happens when JIT comes to a halt?
The assembly line stops and people stand around with their thumb up their arse.
I am interested to see what happens when a solar storm takes out electronics worldwide.
Spin_Drift
10-31-2007, 09:32 AM
Of course people dont learn from history. People dont even KNOW about history.
Man who forgets his past is condemned to repeat it... :(
I just don't understand why its so hard to grasp. In the 60's our country had a mandatory 6 month supply of food stock available for the population, today 3 to 5 days.
With all the catastrophic events that have happened lately you would think we all would want to be better prepared. Talk to anyone who went through the aftermath of Katrina if they plan to be unprepared and rely on the government to save them next time.
We have dodged many bullets lately because of timing but if a series of events occurs what will we do. We can barely handle what emergency's we have now.
I can tell you from me working at several prisons in NYS after 9/11 I was shocked to hear that they had a very hard time staffing for several days after the attack. It became a critical emergency and they were very close to bringing the national guard in to assist.
In Katrina same issue. So if have multiple problems happen at the same time and no one to help and what would happen then?
We take way to much for granted these days.
You can lead the horse to the water, but you can't make it drink :(
Bruce Hooke
10-31-2007, 11:34 AM
OK, let's think about this. Imagine the almost unimaginable. Say Katrina and 9/11 had happened at the same time. Yes, the response to both would have been a bit slower. More people probably would have died in New Orleans and the surrounding area, but not a vastly greater number than did. The immediate life-saving in New York and Washington was all handled by local rescue personal so there would not be much change there. They might have had to bring in the national guard to help with guarding prisoners in New York, but I don't see why that is a big deal. There were, as I recall, plenty of National Guard troops in reserve on 9/11 and during Katrina who could have been deployed. I'm sure there would have been a speedy move to authorize flights related to Katrina relief, even if the rest of the air traffic control system broke down.
What in many ways would be a worse scenario, which is a bomb in a shipping container, which could shut down shipping into the U.S. for a time. What would almost certainly happen pretty quickly is those in charge would realize that the continued flow of goods was more important than the likely fairly small risk of a very rapid repeat of the same bombing technique, especially if only vital cargoes like food were allowed in initially.
Furthermore, I suspect most people could survive on the food in their home for at least a couple of weeks. A person can survive for quite a while without much food, and most of us have miscellaneous cans of this and that in the cupboard, boxes of pasta on the shelf and so on. No, it wouldn't be tasty, but we'd live. That plus the food that is already on site locally would get most people through the first 3 weeks or so, which is enough time for emergency relief plans to be put into action.
Evidence from New Orleans and elsewhere suggests that while some bad actors step in and cause some chaos, a lot more people do their best to help their neighbors. I feel pretty confident the same thing would happen elsewhere in the country in the event of some major disruption. These visions of months of chaos with armed gangs roaming the streets and enforcing their rule, every man for himself and his family, with doors barricaded and food supplies hoarded, does not strike me as at all a realistic scenario.
I think it takes a lot more to put a whole nation into chaos than you think. People are also amazingly resilient.
Garrett Lowell
10-31-2007, 02:17 PM
I just don't understand why its so hard to grasp.
Why do think that anything which you post here is hard for the rest of us to grasp? Let me sum up your views for you: The U.S.A. is going to die a fast/slow, painful death/collapse caused by <insert catastrophe of the week here>. During the <insert catastrophe of the week here>, the government of the U.S.A. will fail miserably at taking care of the situation due to <insert whine here>.
There-I've got it! Thanks very much.
Its happened before. Just a matter of how and when if you ask me.
Its whether its worth dwelling on thats debateable.
Tylerdurden
11-01-2007, 10:33 AM
Why do think that anything which you post here is hard for the rest of us to grasp? Let me sum up your views for you: The U.S.A. is going to die a fast/slow, painful death/collapse caused by <insert catastrophe of the week here>. During the <insert catastrophe of the week here>, the government of the U.S.A. will fail miserably at taking care of the situation due to <insert whine here>.
There-I've got it! Thanks very much.
Okay you got it, now what to do about it.
Should we wait for "son of the devil" Chertoff to save us. or prepare ourselves. What are you proposing?
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