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[Stinkbug]

Myth #3: Homosexual relationships are no different than heterosexual ones.

Homosexual advocates want their relationships to be treated the same as heterosexual ones. But are homosexual relationships any different than heterosexual ones? You’d be surprised.
Fact: Homosexual male relationships are rarely monogamous and those involved are more at risk for life-threatening illnesses.

Studies indicate that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime. The median number of partners for homosexuals is four times higher than for heterosexuals.1 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote1) A study on the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals, published in the Journal of Sex Research, found that only 2.7 percent claimed to have had sex with one partner only.2 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote2) Research has also found that few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners.”3 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote3)
The following. for example, was published in Lambada:4 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote4)

24 percent of gay men had more than 100 partners.
43 percent of gay men had more than 500 partners.
28 percent of gay men had more than 1,000 partners.Solid, irrefutable evidence proves that there are lethal consequences to engaging in the defining features of male homosexuality—that is, promiscuity. Active homosexuals are vulnerable to dozens of sexually transmitted diseases.5 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote5) According to one report, the risk of anal cancer rises by an astounding 4,000 percent for those engaging in homosexual intercourse and doubles again for those who are HIV positive.6 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote6)
AIDS remains the fifth leading cause of death among those aged 26 to 44, and 60 percent of new cases are contracted by men who have sex with men.7 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote7) Despite the twenty-year “safe-sex” campaign, the incidence of unsafe sexual practices resulting in various diseases is on the rise.8 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote8) An estimated 30 percent of all 20-year-old homosexual men will be HIV positive or dead by the age of 30.9 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote9)
Studies have also found that while homosexuals may be trying to convince themselves that what they are doing is acceptable, they have serious doubts in their hearts. A Columbia University study on “internalized homophobia” among homosexual persons found that a significant percentage of homosexuals surveyed held negative attitudes toward their own homosexuality and toward other homosexuals.10 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote10)
While there are some who would promote the myth that homosexual relationships are no different than heterosexual ones as pure fact, there are also those from the gay community who admit it to be a false statement. Andrew Sullivan, a prominent conservative gay author, says that gay couples adhere to a very different moral standard than straight couples do. He says their moral standard is one in which “a greater understanding of the need for extramarital outlets” exists.11 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote11) Also, two researchers who professed themselves to be a gay couple came to the conclusion that gay relationships between men rarely survive if they are not open to outside sexual contacts.
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I wonder why they dont address lesbianism?

[Keith Wilson]

I wonder why they don't address lesbianism?Because lesbian relationships tend to be more monogamous and stable than heterosexual ones? Just a thought. Of course that might suggest that what we're seeing is more a result of the biological differences between men and women than of the difference between gay and straight, and that's way too complex for the good Bible-believing folks at FoF.

[PatCox]

So its really a public health issue, and not just because God hates fags? Huh. I had it all wrong.

[Paul Pless]

I wonder why they dont address lesbianism?Because lesbianism is somehow more socially attractive than male homosexuality.

[Kaa]

Because lesbianism is somehow more socially attractive than male homosexuality.

Is that a polite way of saying "makes better porn for heterosexual males"? :D

Kaa

[Taylor Tarvin]

Yes

[ishmael]

Hm. We've been around this barn many times, and have yet to round up the chickens. Statistically, homosexual men are a public health hazard. They're screwing like bunnies, with not consequence in mind. Some of them are bi-sexual and take the bugs back into the general community. Just how it is, not in anyway homophobic.

What to do about it? Hell, I don't know. Encourage everyone to have sex more consciously? Some sort of legal contract that isn't called marraige is good with me too. Marraige is the union of the opposites of man and woman, and will remain so no matter what the legislation.

If such legislation were available the people who are the problem, the randy young males, won't take part.

You guys figure it out, I'm bored with it.

[Norman Bernstein]

24 percent of gay men had more than 100 partners.
43 percent of gay men had more than 500 partners.
28 percent of gay men had more than 1,000 partners.


Does anyone else find this to be.... well, to put it mildly... rather doubtful?

[Paul Pless]

Does anyone else find this to be.... well, to put it mildly... rather doubtful?Are you basing you doubts on personal experience or observations?:p

[Hwyl]

The median number of partners for homosexuals is four times higher than for heterosexuals




24 percent of gay men had more than 100 partners.
43 percent of gay men had more than 500 partners.
28 percent of gay men had more than 1,000 partners.

I have some serious catching up to do. better hit the bars tonight.

[Keith Wilson]

The median number of partners for homosexuals is four times higher than for heterosexuals

24 percent of gay men had more than 100 partners.
43 percent of gay men had more than 500 partners.
28 percent of gay men had more than 1,000 partners.
I have some serious catching up to do. better hit the bars tonight.LOL! Now I know I'm getting old; those numbers make me tired just thinking about them! :D

[Norman Bernstein]

Are you basing you doubts on personal experience or observations?:p

Hahaha... very funny.

I will admit, though, that the notion of libidos of that magnitude seem as if they just MIGHT be aprocryphal. Is it likely that 71% of homosexuals really had more than 500 sexual partners? Or that 28% had more than 1,000?

When would they have time for interior decorating? :D

Seriously, if these numbers were to be believed, than we'd also have to believe that gay men are overwhelmingly more libidinous than heterosexual men.... when was the last time some guy you know bragged that he's had sex with over 1,000 different women?

Apocryphal statistics aren't uncommon these days. I just read an editorial by a psychologist who opposes circumcision who claims that the incidence of medical complications of circumcision could be as high as 38%.

With numbers like that, it's amazing there are any Jews left alive! :p

[Hwyl]

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[PatCox]

Ish always makes it sound like a bad thing.

[Norman Bernstein]

Again the numbers just don't add up. Sounds like a job for Myth Busters.

I agree. Dollars to donuts, I'd bet the statistics are bogus.

Hmmm... I think there's one question not ever answered here in the bilge, on the issue of homosexuality: who here among us is gay? Since reasonable estimates say that somewhere around 1% to 3% of the male population is gay, it also stands to reason that we have a few here.... perhaps in the closet?

(Hmmm...wonder if they're Republicans?) :D

[George Roberts]

43 percent of gay men had more than 500 partners.
28 percent of gay men had more than 1,000 partners.

This means 15% had between 500 and 1000 partners. (Norm drew the wrong conclusion.)

A good portion of the high numbers may be boasting.

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I suspect we have closer to few hundred homosexuals here.

[Stinkbug]

If this were true, every public restroom and seedy motel in the country would have to be overrun with guys hitting on guys

They are! and you ever go to a bus station and use the john? Or a public park? all them holes bored into stall walls aint for seeing if the unit next door has toilet paper available.

and supposing the 100 partner figure is high. I doubt that it is too high but suppose it is. Wouldnt you think that having 40 sexual partners is a concern for public health? Espeacially when the excvhange of bodily fluids also often includes ripping of skin tissue, which supplies a ready entry point for virus and bacteria??

[Stinkbug]

Myth #4: AIDS is as much of a risk for heterosexuals as it is for homosexuals.

Of course, AIDS is a risk for anyone who engages in sex—especially if that someone is “not a virgin, or who is, or was, an intravenous drug user or blood product recipient.”13 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote13) But we’ve already established that, in general, homosexuals are more promiscuous than heterosexuals. Therefore, it is likely that homosexual men are at a greater risk than heterosexuals for contracting AIDS.
Fact: According to the Centers for Disease Control, homosexual men are a thousand times more likely to contract AIDS than the general male heterosexual population.14 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote14)

Whoa! While AIDS has indeed become a universal disease, (and you are still at risk when you engage in pre-marital heterosexual behavior) it is an undeniable fact that the potential for an individual to become infected is much more pronounced for homosexual men.
Studies have indicated that the body’s natural immune system is broken down by repeated exposure to semen during anal intercourse. Also, the tearing and rupturing which can take place during such intercourse exposes the individual to infection by manifold serious and dangerous diseases. Of these, AIDS is the most well-known and the most dangerous.15 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote15) AIDS remains within the top 10 leading causes of death among those aged 20 to 55. As of December, 2001, 45 percent of all AIDS cases involved men who were exposed to the disease through having sex with other men while 4 percent of the cases were among men who had heterosexual contact.16 (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000683.cfm#footnote16)

[Norman Bernstein]

43 percent of gay men had more than 500 partners.
28 percent of gay men had more than 1,000 partners.

This means 15% had between 500 and 1000 partners. (Norm drew the wrong conclusion.)

You're right, I did misinterpret the stats. My apologies.

[Yeadon]

I'd consider the source of the material, then consider the material.

http://www.focusonthefamily.com

I don't think conservative, christian organizations from colorado springs are exactly the voice of reason (or even credible) when it comes the subject of being gay.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/02/AR2006110201805.html

[Stinkbug]

facts are facts whether its a christian fundamentalist or left wing religion hater that tells it. they have cited every reference. all credible sources. the one source noted above the lambda mag is a gay periodical put out by gays.

[ishmael]

I said I was out of this, and I mostly am. It's boring because anyone still arguing is boring. But yeah, Pat, it is a bad thing. Not sex per se, but the promiscuity of the male homosexual culture is bad.

The figures, though a little screwy as to just what is what, aren't out of line. If you're a young gay man, going to the bathhouses and various other meeting places, it's not unusual to have three or four or half a dozen partners in a single night. Ad it up, and it doesn't take many nights in la la land to get to 1000 partners.

Without offering moral judgment, this is a public health nightmare. Rates of all STDs are up in that community, and bleeding over into the general. So yeah, it's a bad thing.

[Honda_Shadow]

Romans 1: 26-27

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.



And incidentally, Focus on the Family is one of the greatest institutions fighting for the rights of the unborn child, among other things, and continues to be an advocate for many otherwise voiceless causes; they fight injustice in the system and are a very positive organization. Study them long and hard before you criticize something they have done, they are not a gaggle of amatures you know...

[Norman Bernstein]

...all credible sources.

How do you know they're credible? did you check them all out?


...the one source noted above the lambda mag is a gay periodical put out by gays.

Are you saying Lambda Magazine is credible?

[Keith Wilson]

Bumper sticker I saw in San Francisco:

FOCUS ON YOUR OWN DAMN FAMILY!

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Ahhhh a good old fag bashing thread. Fall must really be here.

[Tylerdurden]

Jeez, another pickle smoocher thread.

[CK 17]

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

[Paul G.]

reminds me,

two gays are in a hotel when it catches fire....

which one gets out first; the one on the top or the one on the bottom?

(pm me for the answer)

[Yeadon]

reminds me,

two gays are in a hotel when it catches fire....

which one gets out first; the one on the top or the one on the bottom?

(pm me for the answer)

:mad:

up next, jokes about black people, followed by the jews ...

lame.

what are you thinking?

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

Whatever you do Dutch,watch out for these guys!


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[ishmael]

Amazing to me is that posting of facts about homosexuality is automatically considered "fag bashing."

I spent a fair time in the homosexual community in Baltimore, because my boss was a lesbian and we became fast friends. She was fun, and funny, could laugh heartily about all of it. My observation was that male and female role reversals and experiments didn't change things much. The lesbian women were much more likely to form reasonably strong pair bonds than were the gay men.

I was hit on all the time by men in that community. They assumed that because I was hanging with Kris I was gay. Broke a lot of hearts, handsome devil. LOL.

I never had a problem with any of it. It did seem odd at times, especially the easy promiscuity of the men. Then there was the guy who wouldn't leave me alone. What do you not understand about NO!?

I think to deny that part of it is to be blinkered.

[LeeG]

Jack, guess what? we believe you. You're bored with it.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Ummmm you all do know that Stinkbug is Dutch right ????????

Why do you even bother ? It's a troll duh :rolleyes:

[Paul G.]

:mad:

up next, jokes about black people, followed by the jews ...

lame.

what are you thinking?

well once a upon a time there was this gay black jewish dwarf who mother was a white republican and father was a chinese democrat.....

he meets this blond, geriatric and somehow theres sex involved and and and.... well lots of funny stuff


ok watson and holmes are very gay so dont laugh at this

The great detective Sherlock Holmes and his sidekick Watson are out camping. They pitch their tent under the stars and go to sleep. In the middle of the night Holmes wakes Watson and says, "Watson, look up at the stars and tell me what you deduce." Watson blathers on about the number of stars and the probability of life on other worlds. Holmes replies, "Watson, you idiot, somebody stole our tent!"

[Ian McColgin]

Just taking the thing allegedly quoted from Lamda. It was not. It comes from a christian site that conflates without usable attribution what may or may not be a Lambda article (but multiplies the number of sexual partners by factors of 10 and 100) with a purported study that can't be found to test its numbers.

This sort of lying is not worth the rebuttal because the people who believe it are doggedly homophobic and are not interested in truth.

[Stinkbug]

your right ian.

most homosexuals are virginal and save themselves for marriage. its all a lie and someone has been spiking the gay communites water supply with the aids virus.
FOOKIN BASTARDS!

[Norman Bernstein]

Just taking the thing allegedly quoted from Lamda. It was not. It comes from a christian site that conflates without usable attribution what may or may not be a Lambda article (but multiplies the number of sexual partners by factors of 10 and 100) with a purported study that can't be found to test its numbers.

This sort of lying is not worth the rebuttal because the people who believe it are doggedly homophobic and are not interested in truth.

Why should any of us be surprised?

Just consider the sorts of things that rigid, fanatical ideologues often say. How about that undersecretary of HHS that Bush appointed, the one put in charge of family planning services, who says that contraceptives 'contribute to the culture of death'? :D

[Ian McColgin]

Stinkbug misses my point. Nothing makes me think that gay men are more virginal than I, except that many got a later start because they were conflicted and identity confused in their teens whilest I had no doubts about where I wanted to go . . .

Some studies indicate that gay men are more promiscuous than straight men and both are more promiscuous than lesbians. It seems to be a guy thing, with promiscuous gay men having a more readily identifiable population of other promiscuous gay men while hetero would-be male sluts have a tougher search. In short, men have a greater capacity to objectify sex for recreational purposes and this applies to both hetero and gay men. So what? Some of us mature despite being guys.

And some wish we hadn't . . .

HehHehHeh.

[PatCox]

If women's libidos were the same as men's, there would be "glory holes" in all restrooms, and every highway rest stop would host a heterosexual orgy at all times.

[Ian McColgin]

Who wants to move to New Zealand?

[ishmael]

Put a lid on it! Human civilization depends on being a bit demure. Shut down the egregious bath houses, 'cause they clearly are a public health hazard.

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

and stop prescribing antidepressants, and let your cat heal itself. Now, time for a little noon drinkey.

[Stinkbug]

and stop prescribing antidepressants, and let your cat heal itself. Now, time for a little noon drinkey.


another ugly canadian

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

My solution for your ugliness is for you to shave your ass and learn to walk backwards.:D

[Memphis Mike]

Put a lid on it! Human civilization depends on being a bit demure. Shut down the egregious bath houses, 'cause they clearly are a public health hazard.

I'm thinking that maybe we should open MORE gay bath houses. It might help to control the problem we're having with Republicans in airport bathrooms.

[Stinkbug]

My solution for your ugliness is for you to shave your ass and learn to walk backwards.:D

are ya still peddling paint and floating key rings to pukes at loser marine petey?

hows it goin for ya? made yer million yet?:)

[ishmael]

Well, unless you are in the thick of it I don't think you can understand. I stood on the periphery, watching, and caught the innuendo, but I don't really understand.

Ian said it pretty well, about the psychology of male gayness. As I've said, I have no problem with whomever you choose to bump uglies with. Where it becomes an issue is when with irresponsible behavior you spread disease.

BTW, if heterosexual sex clubs were an obvious hazard I'd be for cracking down on them, too. Freedom is good, but it has boundaries.