Changes needed.

[Tylerdurden]

I am getting pretty depressed lately and having had a very difficult winter last year I fear I won't make it through another if I feel this bad in the fall. I am considering unloading what little I have and finding a real cheap frozen snot sailboat and just heading south. I have lost all my motivation to continue as McGiver to the restaurant industry and think I would be happy scraping barnacles in some tropical climate instead. It kind of sucks to be 47 and all washed up but thats how I feel. I see I am not the only one here that feels his way so I know I am in good company.
I really don't need the usual bastards jumping in with snide remarks so please refrain. What I need is some sound advice on finding that sweet ultra cheap deal on a near wreck plastic boat.
I want to screw before the snow flys so I only have a month or so.

[Wild Dingo]

I am getting pretty depressed lately and having had a very difficult winter last year I fear I won't make it through another if I feel this bad in the fall....

yep... right with you there Tyler... but you gotta try to focus on other things even here politics has to be washed out every now and then

I want to screw before the snow flys so I only have a month or so.

Dont worry you can screw anytime and way up until yer dead or damned near to it!! Screwins easy any dopey buggar can do it... its the gettin it thats the challenge!! :D



Aussies will know what I mean... caio! :cool: hey I spelled it right eh Donn!! :p

[Norman Bernstein]

Mark, if you're in that frame of mind, please don't be offended if I suggest seeking some professional psychological help. I come from a family in which depression is seemingly endemic; my Dad 'toughed it out' and suffered, much of his life, but I got help many years ago, and it saved me. Therapy and medication enabled me to see the world in a far better light... and I know it has absolutely saved the lives of other family members as well. Running south might be a good thing, but it's not something that you can just decide to do in a months time.... if you get your head straight first, maybe that trip will still be a good goal.

[Mrleft8]

I suggest flying south, and picking up a boat down there. And yes I know exactly how you feel...

[Tylerdurden]

Nice to think about therapy if you can afford it.
I think though its not that I have lost my sanity (though some of you think so) I just cannot stand what is happening around me and have lost the motivation to build here.
I am of the feeling when one gets to this point its time to risk it all and break out.

[Tylerdurden]

I suggest flying south, and picking up a boat down there. And yes I know exactly how you feel...

Thanks, kind of advice I was looking for.

[Tylerdurden]

Aussies will know what I mean... caio! :cool: hey I spelled it right eh Donn!! :p

Hey if it works out you might be buying me a beer.

[Wild Dingo]

A beer? no wukkers ol son no wukkers at all :cool: ...but the screw? your gonna have to work out that one all by yer ownself!! ;) :D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

First let me say WELCOME BACK DINGO ;)

Next Mark I feel ya. I frequently look at Yacht World in the 30-34ft snot boats mostly Allied or Person occasionally a nice Choy Lee comes up in the $18 - $ 28 K range and it gets me a thinking. Keep the Cold Spring bachelors pad and shove off to the islands during the frosty times. Ahhh but then I remember I have a beautiful 9 year old daughter and responsibilities. Reality is a bitch.

I wonder if these are still available what do you think

33' Allied Luders 33

Year: 1968
Last Listed Price: US$ 16,000
Located In Quincy, MA

http://tinyurl.com/wxksg

Or this one

33' Allied Luders 33

Year: 1971
Last Listed Price: US$ 15,500
Located In Wellesley, MA

http://tinyurl.com/y3sd6d


Best of luck and dont let the Black Dog get ya down.

[Russ Manheimer]

TD,

I second Doug's suggestion, most marinas have abandoned glass boats that only need a powerwash and a little sprucing up to be reasonably functional. Good luck.

Shane,

Is that you? Have you in fact returned? Welcome home!

Russ

[Wild Dingo]

First let me say WELCOME BACK DINGO

But Joeboy!!!


Im not here...


No seriously...


I AM NOT HERE...


really...





Shane,

Is that you? Have you in fact returned? Welcome home!

Russ

Nah... tis all an illusion... just yer ming playin twix on yer thats all... Just checkin in...

then out...


then in...


then out...


and so on an so forth...


till the end of the month ;)

But me I reckon Tyler should give all the political yellin an screamin a miss for awhile grab a boat and buggar off... geez Im flamin good at givin the damned advice but never take my own do I??? dumbass!! :rolleyes: :D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Here is a nice Cheoy Lee

33' Cheoy Lee Ketch

Year: 1972
Current Price: US$ 19,500
Located In Rock Hall, MD
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single Diesel

http://tinyurl.com/24kkmt


See ya got me doing it now ;)

[Mrleft8]

It's fun shopping with someone else's money init Joe!? :D ;)

[Figment]

Joe I've been watching those L33s as well. They're a steal, yet they don't seem to be moving. Tough market. I saw a Wanderer sell for <10k recently with a 3year old diesel and at least $15k worth of nearly-new sails. STEAL.

If a trip south is in the plans, why not go WAAAAY south? I've seen a few very attractively-priced listings for boats that have cruised to guatemala and south and don't feel like cruising back. Sort of the Atlantic version of the Hawaii Syndrome.

[Ian McColgin]

Latter forties, a bit adrift, SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) and you don't want to go with the Russo-Finnish Solution (vodka) . . .

A very good time to sell up and fly or drive south.

Much depends on what you have for tools and to what extent you'd rather sell and requip versus take with. My tools are long term friends but I found moving aboard Marmalade, where space is so much more limited than on previous boats, that two bags and a box - rigger's tools, general kit, and edge tools - pretty much covered the necessaries.

Anyway, a person of your skills ought to manage enough casual work on other people's boats to live ok port to port.

Sail on.

[Tylerdurden]

I was thinking about Shane dropping out when I wrote this.
Next thing I know he is posting on it after his absence.
I was kinda looking for a sign. Most madmen are.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

It's fun shopping with someone else's money init Joe!? :D ;)

Scary thing lefty is every commission I have more tan enough to Sail Away Its VERY Tempting. ;)

[Norman Bernstein]

Nice to think about therapy if you can afford it.
I think though its not that I have lost my sanity (though some of you think so) I just cannot stand what is happening around me and have lost the motivation to build here.
I am of the feeling when one gets to this point its time to risk it all and break out.

It's not about 'loss of sanity' at all. Perfectly normal people can suffer the debilitating effects of depression without being judged 'insane' at all. Trust me, I know a GREAT deal about this... and I know that there are remarkably effective medications that can really help. I don't mean to be a wet blanket in this thread, but planning an 'escape' is something best done with a clear head, not one that's troubled.

I'll shut up about this now. :(

[Tylerdurden]

Scary thing lefty is every commission I have more tan enough to Sail Away Its VERY Tempting. ;)

Joe, I have had it all and lost it all a couple of times in my life.
If I had the cash available I wouldn't be having this discussion right now, I would be doing it.
I am hoping if I unload my tools and equipment and sell my jeep I will have a few grand. Its not much to show but Two daughters though college one Ivy league is worth it.
Thats kinda all I worked for the past ten years, Guess I got sidetracked. Now my main job is done and don't feel like bustin my arse to give 50% of my income to the IRS and central banksters to pay for all the killing going on.
They can kiss may arse and I will live cheap from now on for as long as the good lord lets me. If its not on a boat then I am heading for the woods and live in a tent. I am not going to help this mess along anymore.
As far as retirement goes I figure the minute I become a burden to another I will just roll my fatass over the rail and go for a good swim. I promised myself I would never be a burden on anyone else and so far I always have kept my word.

[Kaa]

I am not sure that moving south will help.

Oh, sure, it will help with the SAD, but that doesn't seem to me to be your primary problem. You're thinking of running away, but you can't run away from yourself. What you need is to find for yourself some kind of answer to the "Why?" question -- an answer that you currently lack.

Kaa

[Greg P H]

Just jump
Go south... go anywhere,
because really, you're going nowhere but inside.
And darkest places hold the greatest gifts
The world is not what it appears to be
...walking up to the edge is the hardest part ;)

Let this monkey go
Let the sense go
Let the desires go
Let the conflicts go
Let the ideas go
Let the friction of life and death go
Just remain in the center, watching
And then forget that you are there.

~Lao Tzu
Hua Hu Ching

[Phillip Allen]

I'm in the same place

[Phillip Allen]

I find myself in a similar place

[Tylerdurden]

I am not sure that moving south will help.

Oh, sure, it will help with the SAD, but that doesn't seem to me to be your primary problem. You're thinking of running away, but you can't run away from yourself. What you need is to find for yourself some kind of answer to the "Why?" question -- an answer that you currently lack.

Kaa

Don't have any whys? I know why.

My problem is the "what for " moving towards "why bother"

I could sign up for heavy drinking and having my butt parked on a stool cheering for my favorite sports teams and whine about "those bastards" whoever they are but thats not me.
I have a great reputation here in my personal and business life but it doesn't keep me warm at night.
I don't have any desire to own anything and I have tried all the toys and it does nothing. And plenty of great women around but I have nothing to offer or want to. I just have the tremendous want to go...
A sailors want if you will. Dry land is killing me slowly. I really want to be out there and have a flying fish knock me on my ass. Nothing better than that or moonlight on the water with no where to go but where the wind takes me.

[Phillip Allen]

PM coming your way as soon as i finish a few chores

[Kaa]

Don't have any whys? I know why.

My problem is the "what for " moving towards "why bother"

The "Why?" is from "Why do you live?". If it's in the "why bother" category it's not the right answer. If you feel life is pointless now, I am not sure drifting between the islands will provide the point. Sure, the feel of the sun on you face and the sound of the water streaming past your hull are great -- but it's a vacation feeling, good for recharging your batteries to do something. If you have nothing to do, there's no reason to recharge.

I am not trying to persuade you to stay where you are and continue what you're doing -- clearly you need to break with your current lifestyle. I am just not sure that only getting a boat and heading south will be the right solution to your problems.

Kaa

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

Sounds like a plan but, whats this plastic boat crap?
Wood is the only way to go.


http://www.comoxfishermanswharf.com/pictures/images/2-old-wood-hull.JPG

[Phillip Allen]

Guys, he didn't ask to be talked outa it, he asked advice on how to proceed...

[Popeye]

try trinav (http://www.trinav.com/listing_pages/lst_Sail_1.htm)

[LeeG]

What I need is some sound advice on finding that sweet ultra cheap deal on a near wreck plastic boat.


all the advice so far makes sense. if you left out the emotional issues then you'd get more specific answers regarding finding a deal for X dollars. Since you've included them they must be pertinent.

I would guess you find ultra cheap sweet deals by looking, in so doing you'll make contacts and answer your own question as to what's possible and what's a good deal.

I'd be surprised if scraping barnacles would improve your emotional situation but an adventure might. Normans comment about alcohol is worth noting if depression is a problem. Alcohol is an awful medication for dealing with depression, it's like someone taking amphetamines to deal with sleeplessness.

[Tylerdurden]

all the advice so far makes sense. if you left out the emotional issues then you'd get more specific answers regarding finding a deal for X dollars. Since you've included them they must be pertinent.

I would guess you find ultra cheap sweet deals by looking, in so doing you'll make contacts and answer your own question as to what's possible and what's a good deal.

I'd be surprised if scraping barnacles would improve your emotional situation but an adventure might. Normans comment about alcohol is worth noting if depression is a problem. Alcohol is an awful medication for dealing with depression, it's like someone taking amphetamines to deal with sleeplessness.

Not a drinker and gave up smoking so no issue here. I just think an adventure is in order and maybe some opportunity awaits.

[Osborne Russell]

Reminds me of Dizzy Gillespie talking to Charlie Parker in the movie "Bird". Why keep trying? To spite The Man; to deny him whatever you have left to deny him -- to the last breath.

It's a drag but I get the impression from reading history that many of the best people's lives have boiled down to this, so you're not alone. Of course, when you think about your thing multiplied a zillion times, that's a drag too, a really big drag. I guess the Tao thing is the only way out.

[Tom Montgomery]

Geographical cures rarely work, but you may prove to be an exception. I wish you luck.

[Osborne Russell]

p.s. I'll spare everyone the Moby Dick quote which is apposite to the topic unless someone requests it.

[LeeG]

Osborne, quote Moby por favor.

Ok, Mark, so give us a budget and we'll find the snot.

[Tom Montgomery]

"Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth: whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand on me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people's hats off—then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for cap and ball."

[Phillip Allen]

I'd forgotton that...good idea

[LeeG]

and Monty Python,

words and music by Eric Idle

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...

If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...

For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.

So always look on the bright side of death
Just before you draw your terminal breath

Life's a piece of ****
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.

And always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the right side of life...
(Come on guys, cheer up!)
Always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the bright side of life...
(Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
Always look on the bright side of life...
(I mean - what have you got to lose?)
(You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!)
Always look on the right side of life...

[katey]

Go for it! It sounds like you are in the position of not having a load of responsibilities to others... so now is the time. If selling the truck and tools will let you buy a boat, then adding your sweat equity to the boat will let you sell it later (if you want to) and buy another truck and more tools, as well as give you a purpose and a change of scenery.

You don't sound like you have an aversion to work; you just want that work to have a purpose. There is plenty of purposeful work that needs to be done in this world. You will know what you should be doing when you see it, and why not see it from the deck of a boat?

Katey

[ishmael]

Hm. A common affliction, these days especially.

Melancholy, as it used to be called, can mean many things, from a need to turn inward for new direction, to a need for anti-depressants. The latter isn't all that expensive nor does it mean long-term therapy.

The much decried geographic cure sometimes works!

Late forties early fifties is a huge shift, in both physiology and psychology. Being alone in it can be very hard at times.

I've been blue, too. Partially attributable to my brother and closest confidant dying, but it's more than that. I, too, feel at a dead end, in need of new horizons. As Katey said, there's work needs doing in the world and sometimes you have to do a lot of looking.

Traveling out to Michigan to see brother off was interesting. I did not want to go. I've become a bit of home body. But once the trip was inevitable and underway it took on a whole new perspective. Maybe(just thinking out loud now) get in the 'hicle and get away, take a long drive to parts unknown for a long weekend.

I don't know what I'm saying, except you aren't alone.

Jack

[John of Phoenix]

Several years ago I spent two weeks of a typical February in upstate NY. Never saw the sun the entire time. The streets were gray, the cars were gray, the sky was gray, the snow was gray, even the people were gray.

I honestly don't know how you people do it.

[Tom Montgomery]

The much decried geographic cure sometimes works!I agree if we are merely addressing melancholy. I disagree if we are talking about such illnesses as alcoholism and depression. I say that as someone who has suffered from both and has been effectively treated.
I am getting pretty depressed lately and having had a very difficult winter last year I fear I won't make it through another if I feel this bad in the fall.On its face, this statement sounds like depression -- a medical illness that can be effectively treated.

However, I am willing to concede that Mark's statement (that he might not make it through another winter) could simply be hyperbole. I was born and raised along the shores of Lake Erie in Northeastern Ohio. I am well aware of how a long gray winter can be dispiriting.

I hope a move South does the trick. If it doesn't, I hope Mark will not hesitate to see an MD.

[Kaa]

On its face, this statement sounds like depression -- a medical illness that can be effectively treated.

On its face, it sounds like Seasonal Affective Disorder -- SAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_affective_disorder)

And depression is not a cut-and-dried illness that you take a pill to get rid of.

Kaa

[Tylerdurden]

Osborne, quote Moby por favor.

Ok, Mark, so give us a budget and we'll find the snot.

Not sure, between 5 an 10k total cash. Low budget extreme.
If I hold out through the winter I could maybe set aside another 10 to 15. Maybe more if I dump my place for a small efficiency.
I think the operative word is boat rescue. I got a looksee at a almost free 27' with mast some rigging and sails. I think its going to depend on what is needed with a real budget in mind. I bet I will have close to 500# of tools to lug for my work and need cash to make my first stop. Doing what I do its easy to find work in the islands as there is no such thing as a certified tech in most locations and I did resort hotel service for a number of years while in Miami in the 80's. Being able to fix all their cooking equipment, refrigeration and laundry equipment I should be handy besides the boat work I do.

[Memphis Mike]

Not sure, between 5 an 10k total cash. Low budget extreme.
If I hold out through the winter I could maybe set aside another 10 to 15. Maybe more if I dump my place for a small efficiency.
I think the operative word is boat rescue. I got a looksee at a almost free 27' with mast some rigging and sails. I think its going to depend on what is needed with a real budget in mind. I bet I will have close to 500# of tools to lug for my work and need cash to make my first stop. Doing what I do its easy to find work in the islands as there is no such thing as a certified tech in most locations and I did resort hotel service for a number of years while in Miami in the 80's. Being able to fix all their cooking equipment, refrigeration and laundry equipment I should be handy besides the boat work I do.

I do refrigeration work also only in a different field. Somebody told me awhile back that a good refrigeration tech can make a bundle in the Bahamas.

I don't know if that's true or not but it's worth a look.

Good luck Mark.

[JimD]

Not quite what you asked for but fook the restaurant biz, eh?

http://www.tropicaldiscovery.com/regions_panama/san_blas/isla-pelicano-san-blas1.jpg

http://www.xoospace.com/myspace/graphics/16494.jpg



http://www.privateislandsonline.com/wallpaper/1024x768/palm-tree-wallpaper-1024x768.jpg

http://img2.travelblog.org/Photos/16690/90796/f/579601-Tropical-paradise-0.jpg

Thsi one looks affordable:

http://www.aloha-mana.com/optimist.jpg

[Tylerdurden]

Several years ago I spent two weeks of a typical February in upstate NY. Never saw the sun the entire time. The streets were gray, the cars were gray, the sky was gray, the snow was gray, even the people were gray.

I honestly don't know how you people do it.

When I left Miami and headed back to Boston I loved being back and the change of seasons. Kids were small and life was good.
Never had to deal with depression until a few years ago and with that the winters are bad with it.

[Tom Montgomery]

Kaa -- The wikipedia article you linked states: "Most people with SAD experience unipolar depression, but as many as 20% may have or go on to develop a bipolar or manic-depressive disorder. In these cases, persons with SAD may experience depression during the winter and hypomania in the summer."

Labeling it "SAD" rather than "depression" addresses cause, not treatment. When it comes to treatment, it may be a distinction without much of a difference.

In any event, neither depression nor bipolar disorder are illnesses to trifle with.

I trust Mark will find a way to alleviate his distress. If moving South and finding new employment does the trick, terrific! I wish him all the best.

[Tylerdurden]

I do refrigeration work also only in a different field. Somebody told me awhile back that a good refrigeration tech can make a bundle in the Bahamas.

I don't know if that's true or not but it's worth a look.

Good luck Mark.

Its true, In my field its real good. I haven't started the phone call /letter campaign yet but when I get a line on transportation I can get hot on discussion. I am sure I can land something quick.

[JimD]

If I were single I think I could live on a Flicka, at least for six months. Here's a ferro version for $7K http://www.flicka20.com/boats/flicka/index.html

http://www.flicka20.com/boats/flicka/img2.gif

http://www.flicka20.com/boats/flicka/img3.jpg

http://www.flicka20.com/boats/flicka/img5.jpg

[Memphis Mike]

"Never had to deal with depression until a few years ago and with that the winters are bad with it."

__________________


I was the same way. The time changing at the end of October would trigger it and I'd feel miserable all winter until the first signs of Spring. This went on for a period of about three winters and last year it was gone as quickly as it came.

I guess what I'm tryin to tell you is it's nothing permanent. It will pass.

At least it did for me.

[Lew Barrett]

Mark,
Do not sell your tools.

[Ron Williamson]

This is the perfect time of year to pick up a project on the Great Lakes.
I don't mean to be nasty,but there will probably be some good deals in Michigan.
My 32' wreck with bad decks,no engine and a 1/2 ton load of gear was $2k.
Having a new pastime of almost any description can revitalize a guy.
I hated winter because of grey boredom,not black depression,but when I started to snowboard with my kid(he is ALWAYS game),spring was showing up before I was ready.
R

[Phillip Allen]

I can sympathize...I have now two checks from the mortgage company (they've held my money since May) that are unusable...all my money...I said MY money is tied up between an extrotionist and the mortgage company...I'm hard headed and have my back against the wall I intend to make a stand at or I'd be looking for a spot as crew somewhere warm and south and moste of all different...

[Paul Pless]

Seen that lawyer yet Phillip?

[Phillip Allen]

yep...second visit comin up

[Vince Brennan]

yep...second visit comin up

Ya goin' in scoped?

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

I've suffered from depression for a lot of years, and I am medicated for it. It doesn't take out all the dips and dives, but it certainly levels them out a great deal. I also have Seasonal Affective Disorder, which is depression or loss of energy due to lack of sunlight. This time of year, I start to go down... and it's very hard to combat. Some basic stuff: Go to bed at the same time, get up at the same time, giving yourself some extra sleep. Take a large multivitamin at the least, and a supplement of Vitamin D. Go to a tanning salon... it's full spectrum light. Eat right... I am particularly bad in the summer months eating whatever... a balanced diet helps a lot. That said, by February, I am really looking for that spring sunshine. Good luck Mark.

[Nanoose]

Had the dream/thought of sailing away, and did it. I recommend you go for it. Maine isn't going anyplace. You can always go back.

Have also lived with depression. See a doc. Find a good med.

I'd sell up, fly to Miami (area), and pick up one of the zillions of boats sitting there with 4 Sale signs on em. Offer no more than half of what someone is asking. The boats have been sitting for so long with no one noticing them, they'll jump at your offer.

Send us a postcard.

[botebum]

I can't help with the boat or a place to go scrape barnacles but I know exactly(I think) how you feel.
I used to go into a deep depression in the fall and not come back from it till spring. Some years it was pretty serious and dark thoughts were hard to fight off. Something about the leaves falling and the trees looking so dead, and then the snow and those really quiet winter evenings that some people love so much, yet seemed like the lonliest time in the world to me.
In '99 I moved from upstate NY to the Myrtle Beach area(NE SC and SE NC). I started over...from scratch. I moved in early March when the depression should soon be passing, yet I was unemployed, broke, no vehicle. The only good things I could say for myself at the time was that my child support was paid 2 months in advance and my storage unit was paid for the next month and I had a job and a place to stay when I got here(former employer who pretty much saved me).
My life changed the second I got off the bus.($125 ticket and $10 left in my pocket). I hadn't eaten in two days so I blew $4 on a hot dog and a soda and walked onto the beach. I looked out at the ocean and said to myself F***IT! I'm Gonna make it!
Since then I've changed jobs a few times(usually for the better) and had my ups and downs. The child support was late a few times but it always got there. I had a few girlfriends and things got normal(er). I met Tonya in '02 and we married in '03. Mackenna was born in '05 and we bought the house on June 19th of this year. And I'm HAPPY!
In early march of '99 I was living in a tent, on the side of a mountain, in the snow, with no job and little hope, and a gun in my hand.
I say move south or wherever you think you might be happier. The alternative sucks.

Doug

[crawdaddyjim50]

Dude, you only get one shot at this thing. You have to do what is going to make YOU happy. The other stuff is just that stuff. Fill the duffel bag and haul ass. Drive the jeep until it dies and then get on a bus. Or better yet. Crew out of there.

I spent ten years dealing with the winter crap. And I started feeling better when I hit the Kentucky border headed south at 80 mph.

Go Dog Go!

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

I read this kids blog http://norsealiveaboard.com/category/uncategorized/

He's been living aboard a Nor’sea 27 for over a year now he landed a gig working for Gannon & Benjamin so he's selling her. The price may be a little steep but if you want a fine little live aboard classic glass ya cant go wrong with the Nor’sea 27.

http://www.beneriksen.com/chamois/mooringLagoon.jpg

http://www.beneriksen.com/chamois/interiorlookingaft.jpg

That cozy cabin got me thinking ;)

[Tylerdurden]

Thanks for all the awesome responses. The plan is to liquidate all non essential items and plan for a cheap hull hunt as soon as I can get clear of this mess.

[Lew Barrett]

Thanks for all the awesome responses. The plan is to liquidate all non essential items and plan for a cheap hull hunt as soon as I can get clear of this mess.

Start looking now. The hunt is 75% of the fun, and 100% better than reality. I'm not kidding. Chin up Mark. Recognizing the need for change is half of the battle. The other half is doing something about it. I have great confidence in your ability to riddle this thing through. No growth without some pain.

[Lew Barrett]

Some reading:
Voyaging on a Small Income
http://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-Small-Income-Ann-Hill/dp/1888671378

I've already read my copy, but it doesn't apply to me. Modesty prevents explaining why. If you'd like to have my copy, PM me and I'll see if I can dig it up. If not, here's the link again:

http://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-Small-Income-Ann-Hill/dp/1888671378

[StevenBauer]

Hey Mark, here's that site I was telling you about: www.boneyardboats.com

You could check in here, too: www.goodoldboat.com


Steven

[bamamick]

marinas around here any more. For a 27' boat you are going to have to pay in the neighborhood of $200 per month at the 'low budget' places. If you want I will ask around and see what is out there? As far as finding a boat goes, 90% of the cruising boats around here never leave their slips. It's probably a matter of finding what you want and making an offer. I'd be shocked if you couldn't find a decent Catalina 27 for under $10K.

I say all of this because I can't think of anywhere that would be less expensive than the Alabama Gulf Coast. The area from Appalachicola to Port St.Joe in Florida might have some nice places that don't cost a fortune. Louisiana and Mississippi got wiped out. Honestly, the advice about going expat might be the ticket if you want to hide from winter. Personally, the monotonous weather we have here seven months a year, the heat, gets me a little down in the dumps. I couldn't enjoy living in south Florida or anywhere where the seasons never changed at all.

Mickey Lake

[Tylerdurden]

Some reading:
Voyaging on a Small Income
http://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-Small-Income-Ann-Hill/dp/1888671378

I've already read my copy, but it doesn't apply to me. Modesty prevents explaining why. If you'd like to have my copy, PM me and I'll see if I can dig it up. If not, here's the link again:

http://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-Small-Income-Ann-Hill/dp/1888671378


I will be ordering it. Thanks Lew.

[Tylerdurden]

Hey Mark, here's that site I was telling you about: www.boneyardboats.com (http://www.boneyardboats.com)

You could check in here, too: www.goodoldboat.com (http://www.goodoldboat.com)


Steven

There is a 30' up the street near Mardens. Was told guy is moving (Job forced) and hasn't had a bite all summer.
I am going to look today. The only problem Is I have such a lousy feeling taking advantage of someone who is down. I guess I have to get past it but I don't want to feel like a parasite on others misfortune. Might as well get in the Repo business if thats the case.

[ishmael]

Annie Hill's book is entertaining. Nothing revelatory, but good basic information and stories.

As to taking advantage of someone down on their luck, they might see it a different way. By buying their boat you might be helping them.

Second the above recommendation of buying a boat in the south lands. A lot of dreams die in Florida.

When Bill got back from his Hawaii sail he was torn about selling Kismet, his Pearson Vanguard(sixties, glass, Phil Rhodes design, quite nice). It was all tricked out for open ocean, and Bill knew what he was doing with boat stuff. He ended up selling for mid to high teens, complaining all the way. He stripped a few things off her and sold her, this was fifteen years ago. The rigging was almost new, the sails good, the motor a recent Yanmar. It was ready to go again. Bill complained that the guy didn't know what he was getting, but that's all the boat brought in San Fran.

[Phillip Allen]

I would hazard a guess that most boat buyers do not know what they're getting...good, bad or indifferent

[Tylerdurden]

I would hazard a guess that most boat buyers do not know what they're getting...good, bad or indifferent

Yep from my experience I agree.

[Tylerdurden]

As to taking advantage of someone down on their luck, they might see it a different way. By buying their boat you might be helping them.



Ish after I posted that I flipped to a thread were posters were saying its ok to torture. Man, I am out of whack