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dld
09-03-2007, 05:57 PM
The high cost of saw blades keep me from buying a Fein Multimaster for a long time till I learned how to make my own cheap so I put up a web site to share with others

http://home.comcast.net/~dldecker/fein.html

few3
09-03-2007, 06:23 PM
Very similar to what I have tried, although I simply soldered directly to an existing blade.

Thanks for the photo's.

I am unsure as to which industry Fein does the majority of it's sales ( especially the multimaster ) but I wonder what would happen if the Boatbuilders and Woodworkers organised and refused to purchase Fein's attachments and products ( this obviously would have to be on a National if not International level ) out of protest, how long would it take for them to drop the prices.

The reality is, the Multi-master performs the same as all "multi-tools" do. Mediocre at best.

As for the sawing capabilities, The 10 degree arc created by the multi-master doesn't really emp[loy a "sawing" motion. It is mostly a scraper with teeth, and insufficient motion to clear the dust.

djswan
09-03-2007, 06:28 PM
Well I just bought one. Somebody has already hit a nail with the fifty dollar blade. I'm going to give it a go a sharpening it. Sweet ideas there. I have lots of old push-pull saws, so I could weld new tips on.

Noah
09-03-2007, 08:30 PM
dld, thanks for that. They look great, and I'm sure I will use the technique. I have made a bunch of sander attachments in a similar manner.

Obviously "few3" has yet to use a multimaster, because if he had he would know what he said isn't true.

dmede
09-04-2007, 11:35 AM
Obviously "few3" has yet to use a multimaster, because if he had he would know what he said isn't true.

Thats what I was thinking. They may be expensive and charge WAY too much for parts, but there's a reason people will pay that price... they work great.

Bob Adams
09-04-2007, 01:37 PM
Thats what I was thinking. They may be expensive and charge WAY too much for parts, but there's a reason people will pay that price... they work great.

I'll third this one, around my shop it's refered to as the "wonderwazzitt". Fien knows they have us by the short and curlies!

Thorne
09-04-2007, 03:53 PM
Its like the old saw (pun intended) about the razor companies not selling razors, but instead selling razor blades.

few3
09-04-2007, 08:53 PM
Obviously "few3" has yet to use a multimaster, because if he had he would know what he said isn't true.

Noah,

Here is my number two,

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3580/feinig6.jpg

I am glad you figured out how the action of the Multi-Master's 10 degree action works in regards to sawing and the like.

Sandpaper ( without a grit pattern radiating from the center of the pad out at a 5 degree angle ) was just not meant for this.

When it comes to sawing, My jamb saw, Dozukis, Rotozip, and Dremel smacks the s$#t out of this tool.

The multi-master (glorified Dremel/Rotozip) is the tool I grab as a last resort, when nothing else seems to work.

:D

djswan
09-04-2007, 11:11 PM
Somebody using mine went through another hundred bucks worth of blades today. Hmmmmm. Still to early to judge this thing. Once I give a thumbs up or a #2, I may be too poor to pay for the stamp to send my opinion.

Does that thing clean under the rim better than scrubing bubbles.:D

dmede
09-05-2007, 10:47 AM
All I can say few3, is that you probably just haven't figured out how to use it for the things it's best at. The saw is killer for cutting off bolt stems where they are hard to reach, like in the bow. Or trimming in tight spots where the saw wont reach without marking the wood around the cut. The detail sanding is nothing like other "detail sanders", it actually works and is tons better than busting your knuckles trying to get a good surface in tight spaces. It made short work of all the corners and small peices on my Fiddlehead canoe. And it will soon be saving me tons of time sanding out the inside of my skiff's bow as well as a lot of other difficult places to work on boat. If your so sure that thing is peice of crap, I'd be happy to take it off your hands for you... after you wash it real good of course! :D

few3
09-05-2007, 11:47 AM
All I can say few3, is that you probably just haven't figured out how to use it for the things it's best at.

Give me another 6 years


The saw is killer for cutting off bolt stems where they are hard to reach, like in the bow.

I use a right angle die grinder with a cut-off when the bolts are too large to snap, but only if I don't take the time to pre-fit the fastener.


Or trimming in tight spots where the saw wont reach without marking the wood around the cut.

I prefer mock-ups and measurements, unless I want to burnish and possible roast the end of the cut piece allowing an excellent surface for coating failure.


The detail sanding is nothing like other "detail sanders", it actually works and is tons better than busting your knuckles trying to get a good surface in tight spaces. It made short work of all the corners and small peices on my Fiddlehead canoe. And it will soon be saving me tons of time sanding out the inside of my skiff's bow as well as a lot of other difficult places to work on boat.

Pre-finishing has always worked better, though it can polish up a surface like no other. Fein openly acknowledges the loading problems of the sander, which is why the sell their super-duper dust collection set up. For it's limited range of motion, full coat abrasives are not ideal. It is not orbital as we all know, Again, pre-finishing saves far more time.

The mechanical motion is also tigh enough that Hook and Loop actually absorbs the majority of the energy, but we all know PSA is better for production work.


If your so sure that thing is peice of crap, I'd be happy to take it off your hands for you... after you wash it real good of course! :D

Don't get me wrong, I do use it, sometimes. However, Although it is a unique, fancy, tool , that may give one the right to brag about how the own a tool the "real pro's" use. I cannot recommend to anyone as a primary purpose tool unless their volume of production allows for the loss of $50-100 in consumables every couple of hours.

If I went back in time, would I still purchase this tool?.... Likely, but with the understanding that it will take some time for it to pay for itself.

dmede
09-05-2007, 12:01 PM
I cannot recommend to anyone as a primary purpose tool unless their volume of production allows for the loss of $50-100 in consumables every couple of hours.

I don't want to start (or prolong) a pissing match here, but I do have to say that if your going through $50-100 worth of consumables every couple of hours on your Fein, than your using it a lot more than "sometimes". That or your sanding concrete :D I'm still on my first set of blades and pads and have bought only a few packs of papper for a tool I've owned for several years now, with a fair amount of use on two small boats.

few3
09-05-2007, 07:44 PM
I don't want to start (or prolong) a pissing match here, but I do have to say that if your going through $50-100 worth of consumables every couple of hours on your Fein, than your using it a lot more than "sometimes". That or your sanding concrete :D I'm still on my first set of blades and pads and have bought only a few packs of papper for a tool I've owned for several years now, with a fair amount of use on two small boats.

I agree, opinions are opinions and like a$$#*les, we all have em.

$50-100 worth of consumables is most likely what it would cost to run this tool in a "production" at least busy shop ( woodworking, boatbuilding, windshield replacement, etc.)

I bow out.

werner
09-07-2007, 03:08 PM
posted this some time ago ... do not know if available in US

"just bought some spare saws for my fein Multimaster from Bosch
fits Fein Multimaster( round 10mm hole)
these are for the Bosch PMF 180E they have some bimetal and HSS saws round and staight and a choice of velcro pads +paper
and they are cheaper!"
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werner
09-07-2007, 03:50 PM
link
http://www.bosch-presse.de/TBWebDB/en-US/PressText.cfm?&Search=1&id=3005

SMARTINSEN
09-07-2007, 04:57 PM
Is not available in the U.S.

Yet.