Had a nice time with Nora Lee (BOAT PHOTOS)

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

So today in my daily trips I received a phone call from our very own Nora Lee smile.gif Seems she was up visiting. After a warm hug, I needed it cause I got the wild idea that driving around in a convertible with the top down would be a cool idea smile.gif I spent some quality time talking about sailing on the hudson with her friend she was visiting. We all took a stroll out to his barn to take a look at wonderful gem of a sailing dory. In the dusty catacombs of a true barn, not my barn but a dusty barn filled with old tools and equipment. So there she sat what looked much longer than a 16' 7" LOA schooner rigged William Atkin nantucket sailing dory. Looked like pine on Oak frames. Aside from the dust and dirt and the cockpit used as a storage bin for crap, she was sound. Rigging and spars in place. BIG _ BIG open cockpit. Great day sailer. She has been sitting in that barn bone dry for 20 years.

I did a long search of Akin Nantucket Dory's could not find any. I did find this: Active III - LOOKS exactly like this sailing dory.

Active III is rigged like a pirogue and I suppose she might be termed a cat-ketch; at any rate it is an excellent rig for any small boat having a low center of effort, short masts, and simple rigging. The main sail has an area of 54.1 square feet; the mizzen, 37.4 square feet. Total area 91.5 square feet.

The boat is decked over leaving a cockpit 8 feet long by 3 feet 8 inches wide amidships. The waterways are 6 inches wide as indicated on the deck plan. There is a single thwart somewhat abaft amidships which forms the bench for the mizzen mast. There is just enough room abaft this for the helmsman to sit in comfort and nice room forward for the main sheet tender. Single-handing, the crew's weight should be forward of the thwart in which case the boat will be steered with the tiller line extending around the coaming.

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/images/ActiveIII-1.gif

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/images/ActiveIII-2.gif

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/images/ActiveIII-3.gif

Anyway after a long chat around the kitchen table. We talked about the possibility of me inheriting this grand dory. Based on my last dory restoring and Nora Lee vouching for me I might be on to a new project what do you all think ?

I will post this up in Building and Repair .

[ 02-16-2005, 08:39 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

This is a big heavy dory. I'm thinking of only one modification ... a motor. There is no way Im going to row this monster for 4 hrs like the skiff. :eek: :eek: So what would it take to drill a shaft hole and install a motor in the aft end. The dory transom and tiller arraignment dose not allow for a transom mounted motor, or dose it?

[imported_Dutch]

joe-

how about a small motor well- boxed in on all 4 sides- you can get one of those spring assisted sailboat motor thingies to lift her clear of the bottom when you want to beach her - obviously you dont need to turn the motor in the well-the rudder will steer, so it can be pretty narrow-only need enough room to get her up our of the water

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Dutch I thought about that spring thing. But the tiller and rudder would still get in the way she has such a narrow transom you might as well consider her a double ender. But their is a significant well under the aft deck, and with that leaded skeg keel you could bore a short shaft prop. I wonder how she would handle with that weight that far aft? also I would have to choose a side of skeg whats better port or starboard? Im a little freaked out by drilling a hole in the bottom of the boat but a motor in this water and this weight is a MUST.

[ 02-12-2005, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[StevenBauer]

Have you seen the well in Lee's (L.W.)dory? He posted pics recently. Very nice boat. What happened to that famous camera? :D

Steven

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Steven, ya know I was halfway to meeting Nora Lee I thought about back tracking and getting the camera ;) Part of me was if I post anything from this someone is gonna go JOE ????? no photos???? LOL smile.gif I promise I will take some photo's this week when I go back and look at the boat again. )

Steven can you direct me to the photos posted on here ?

[imported_Dutch]

Joe- theres no reason why the motor well couldnt be installed forward enough in the boat to be out of the way and off the centerline- with a nice little 4 stroke youd barely hear it running

[Hwyl]

She fits the definition "Ketch" perfectly.

You will be surprised how easy she is to row.

An inboard would be a sacrilege.

If you cannot get an outboard mounted on the transom (I still think it's possible), you can put one of those side mounting brackets (Wayne / Venchka has one on his Oughtred boat)

[Ian McColgin]

I'm with Hwyl - this periauger ketch dory would be desicrated by a motor well or any hung out there motor.

She'll row quite well once you have her moving probably about an easy walking pace, like 3 knots.

Did I recount the three knots joke here?

Seems a fellow from the hollows of Kentucky wanted to get about as far from home as he could so he up and joined the Navy. After basic he came home on leave all proud and strutting about in his double fly bell bottom pants and all. So he lashed up with the town pump up in her bedroom and, getting well into things, hollared out, "Yewowow baby! How'm I doing?"

"About three knots," she purred.

"Three knots?" he exclaimed. "Three knots? You a gal from the hollers ain't never seen more water'n you could step acrost and you say 'three knots' like that's navy talk. You know what 'three knots' means?"

"Sure do honey. You're not in. It's not hard. And you're not gettin your money back."

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

Good thing you got that barn Joe. ;) :D
What about a small Yanmar or Westerbeak diesel?
I'm not sure if I can forgive you for not getting a photo of Nora. :D tongue.gif

[holzbt]

Put her in and try her out before making any modifications. If you think you need power after this then either put a outboard bracket on the side of the rudder or one off the side similar to Venchka's.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Ya guys just don't understand smile.gif I sail the Hudson River.
The Hudson is not truly a river in my location it is a tidal estuary. The river can get up to 5 to 6 knot current. You get the river in a vendetta kind of mood with the tide and wind and you are STUCK no mater if you are an Olympic rower. I have had the wind shift from perfectly favorable to doldrums just as the tide was going out. I have had the wind in one direction and the tide in the other and you are basically sailing on a treadmill healed over making wake but not going anywhere.

The aft end of this boat has an ideal location for a little hidden kicker, nothing hanging off no big motor well box in the roomy cockpit.

Take a look at this drawing
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/images/ActiveIII-3.gif

Ya see 3 stations up from the transom there is a hollow well location big enough I think for a small hidden motor well. Bore a shaft hole, run a simple throttle and use the rudder to steer, just enough to get her home occasionally.

[holzbt]

I still vote for a small outboard mounted to the rudder. Get one small enough that it's not a hassle to remove/replace on the bracket. This gives you aux. power when you need it and doesn't mess with the sailing characteristics that installing an inboard or cutting an outboard well will do. I bet 3 or 4 hp would be plenty of power and be light enough to move around easily.

[Hwyl]

Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
Ya guys just don't understand smile.gif I sail the Hudson River.
One of these days I'll tell you current stories that'll make your (hair) curl. Whippersnappers like you deserve motor boats.

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

You might want to read this thread Joe.

http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=010985

Some interesting ideas on (quiet) Electric Power.
I can tell you first hand that John Blazy's boat moves pretty quick with just a trolling motor for power. He made some modification's that he would have to explain to you but, I was impressed with the speed and handling of his design.

[Matt J.]

Joe, no motor is my vote. Learn the tides, sail with the winds you have, and forget destroying the boat with a motor. If you really want to ignore the currents and winds, get a powerboat.

I'm with hwyl and Ian.

[Philip Maynard]

That is a beautiful boat. I put a 5HP engine in Monk's 15'- 8" "Cerlew". I have had that boat at St Michael's and 9 guys out of 10 stop dead in their tracks and get a big smile when they realize there is an engine in it. The 10th guy will scowl and tell me I've ruined it, (I've found the ay's have it). But I would have some hesitation to put an engine in that beautiful boat, but I know what a 6 knot current looks like. The installation was a fair amount of work, I had never done anything with engines before. At idle it goes 4-1/2 knots and full power is 6 kts. 3HP would have been enough but your boat is bigger and with lead keel. http://www.pmaynard.lunarpages.com/temp/engine-1.jpg
http://www.pmaynard.lunarpages.com/temp/engine-2.jpg
http://www.pmaynard.lunarpages.com/temp/engine-bed.jpg
http://www.pmaynard.lunarpages.com/temp/rudder.jpg
http://www.pmaynard.lunarpages.com/temp/skeg.jpg
http://www.pmaynard.lunarpages.com/temp/shaft-parts.jpg

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Philip Maynard !!!!! THat is exactly the type of motor I'm talking about. :D

Tell me more about it. This boat would even make it more hidden since it has a much larger space under the aft deck. The only problem I have is do not think I could put the screw dead center it is going to have to be on port or starboard side of the keel and the ruder.

Where did you find it and tell me more about the motor what was installation like? If I do decide to take on this project I will ask for your assistance in what I need to do. Thank you

[Noah]

I like Phil's solution, but I also came across another neat solution recently:

http://www.socasailboats.com/

It probably needs more depth than your hull can provide, but it's an elegant solution to the motor issue.

Noah

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Noah that set up may be a little difficult

I will be going out with a buddy to take another look at "Dove" this afternoon. And yes I will bring the camera smile.gif

I looking forward to contemplating how to take care of "Dove" should I be lucky enough to acquire her.

Todd I may need your services to make me some sails. Im thinking Tanbark color or even red I have a thing for red sails smile.gif

[Matt J.]

Joe, this thread may be of interest to you:
Auxilary Power (http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002807&p=)

Specifically LFH's take on auxiliary motors. I just can't see putting a motor in that boat. A permanent X hundred pounds of unintended ballast, just doesn't seem right. A large sweep would get you home, too.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Matt J I read it beautiful prose. But I don't know if I taped that to the transom would it help me row home agents a 6 knot current ;)

Ya know it totally makes romantic sense to me and in case you all have not figured it out I'm a bit of a romantic :D I love sailing like I loved cycling it used no other power than you and the bike or boat. You get to feel the sense of accomplishment getting there under your own wits and energy, its a wonderful experience. But again if I lived on a nice lake or anything other than the mighty Hudson River I would be far more romantic. Now I want to take people out and should we get caught with those that do not understand that there is no fast option to get back home, they are less likely to go back out with you. Additionally me personally I kinda like the idea of extending my local travels with a little aux motor. Also 4 hr row's will get to you after the 2nd or 3rd time ;)

[rbgarr]

Joe-

You might want to try to figure out who built this power dory and ask how it performed:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_full_detail.jsp?slim=broker&boat_id=1230846&hosturl=cascobay&&ywo=cascoba y&&units=Feet&currency=USD&access=Public&listing_id=1661&url=&hosturl=cascobay&&ywo=cascobay&

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

OK I'm back from taking a look at the boat, and YES I brought the camera :D . But I have to tell you it is not an easy place to photograph. The boat is jammed full of garbage.

This is the bow

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid158/p71fb2e3540d87506f0907ea268521dab/f51d480e.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid158/pf65b8893ba5fc3c3573d78c4ebf8f3e0/f51d4846.jpg

The mast on top are not the mast for this boat but for an old ice boat. This boats pars are sitika spruce and much thinner.

This is a photo of the bow and what looks like a calking seem.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid158/pdf4dbc62cc800882b31cdc403bb5e773/f51d472f.jpg

All the wood looks solid no rot but these seems give me pause.
This is a photo of the bottom, where the flat bottom meets the side.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid158/p9b8b36ce5bef5f2339a87047946bd581/f51d47e4.jpg

Transom
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid158/p71722c5b27f3315c1f53979685ecc0de/f51d46fd.jpg

This is the area under the aft deck that I think a motor might fit in.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid158/p4ce7d66b4c6eb42c242eeb93234b0aef/f51d4772.jpg

Talking with my friend we are thinking that an inboard may truly ruin the boat and sailing characteristics. So can anyone tell me about the sailing characteristics of a ketch of this type??

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

The rigging and hardware is first rate. Just look at these bronze turnbuckles.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid158/p53830254935688e6bee1732f1722d22c/f51d4685.jpg

And the spars and rigging.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid158/p59607818c0e3d9d101f8befc6b122cde/f51d47b1.jpg

[Philip Maynard]

It look's like you can see the top of the engine cover on the Casco boat.
For mine, I got the idea for an engine from reading Ruel Parkers Sharpie book although he shows a larger engine with a belt reduced drive. I stopped by a local go-cart shop and they had a Tecumseh 5 HP "Enduro" OHV550 sitting new on the counter and I measured it and figured I could get it to fit. I did not know anything about inboard installations and I contacted Billings Diesel in Maine. I gave them full size drawings showing the skeg, rudder, shaftlog, frames and engine/crankshaft and they made a complete assembly from propeller thru the couplers to the crankshaft and I did the rest. It's direct drive. The engine bed is just a wood wedge glued directly to the hull plywood with embedded throughbolts holding the engine down. I contacted Techumseh and spoke with one of their engineers, I was concerned about the thrust load, he said that the crank bearing could take the thrust, he was very firm in making it clear that there could be NO rotational play between the prop and crank or the crank would break, otherwise he had no hesitations nor advised me against what I was proposing. He also sent he a HP curve which I passed onto Billings and they sized the 7X4 prop. I had to turn the airfilter upside down, make an exhaust and rig a remote gas tank. If I were doing it again I would do it differently, instead of the shaft flange on the prop end of the shaft (conventional), I would put the flange 2" from the forward end (leaving 2" free to pick up the hose and clamps that hold the upper bearing) and the flange would now screw/mate to a wood boss that would be the top end of the shaft housing. That would be the waterproof seal between the shaft log and the hull and I would make the tunnel in the skeg free flooding. I still have not quite figured out how to secure the lower end of the shaft log - it has to be pinned laterally to the skeg. What I'm trying to eliminate is the shaft tunnel in the hull that can get water in it from inside which is hard to get out. I do share all of the concerns about putting an engine in a boat like that, to me there are plenty of drawbacks and the engine is not exactly loud but it is not quiet, if anybody knows really effective mufflers please pass it on. But for all the drawbacks, to be able to push the primer 5 times, crack the throttle, pull the starter and go, I love it every time and I have a 7" protected propeller in a sailboat that draws 10" water. Joe, offhand I would cut the skeg and make it centerline, but I guess you could mount the shaft alongside? I'm not sure, there are probably other builders with more experience with this kind of thing that might be better, I live in Philadelphia and I would be happy to pass on whatever I know and maybe even come see your boat, how far up the hudson are you?

[Philip Maynard]

The motor would not work under the aft deck. It would seem best to set it just aft of the rear mast, this get's the best possible angle on the prop shaft and maybe still salvages some leg room in the rear cockpit. If the engine kills the rear cockpit, then the engines not such a great idea.

[Nora Lee]

Joe,
That is not garbage in the boat, but treasures which have been accumulated over the years, just in case someone might need it!

Alan said that you called and were going to take another look, he will be talking to his partner Pierre soon. Pierre is not a fan of engines, so I would downplay that aspect, while talking to him about Dove. This boat has been a love of both of theirs for as long as they have owned her. Treat them gently!

Your enthusiasm and your previous experience in redoing the skiff would be a definite plus!

Regards,

Nora

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Nora I have forgone the idea of a inboard motor no place to put the shaft with out taking away from her beauty. I might consider some less obtrusive aux power. Please pass along that I have been smitten. The buddy that went with me on the ride back we talked about the positives and the negatives. She is not much more than the current skiff I have. A step up so to speak. Larger sail area with the cat ketch and a higher freeboard. But LOA and lack of a cabin and a inboard make her less than the ultimate sailing vessel for me. Which would be a 18 -22 ft Catboat of course smile.gif But the hardware sold me today. I can make furniture finish out of her bits and pieces. My buddy turned to me and said you really are more into refinishing her than sailing her at this moment. And it is true, I cant wait to get her in the barn and blow the dust off her and get some 80 grit on her topsides. Polish the bronze and varnish. Im weird that way I almost like the restoration as much as sailing. I also don't have a clue as to the benefits of a Ketch rig efficiently I might be able to use it more efficiently to work the wind and tide.

Nora should they allow me to have her at this moment I would take her home and burnish her to a high gloss.

OH and Nora Lee I had such a nice time meeting you that we need to hang out more smile.gif Possibly a sail on DOVE with no aux power would be about enough time to hang out LOL smile.gif

[ 02-15-2005, 10:38 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Dave Fleming]

80 GRIT...the mind boggles, sigh.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Dave Fleming:
80 GRIT...the mind boggles, sigh.Ya know O&O West I was thinking of you when I typed that smile.gif I KNEW I would get ya :D Come on Dave you have seen my tender nature in restoring. Always remember the hypocratic oath "First do no harm" The first grit I would hit her with is compressed air smile.gif

[Dave Fleming]

Nice troll Dhowman!
Ya got me fair and square. ;)

[imported_Dutch]

The first grit I would hit her with is compressed air youve got that in abundance, thats for sure

[ 02-15-2005, 11:18 PM: Message edited by: Dutch ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

so do you ;) Wanna come over and give me a hand smile.gif

[ 02-15-2005, 11:17 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[imported_Dutch]

i charge for sanding and other boat stuff. when you do it 40 hours a week it takes all the fun out of it ;)

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Dutch in all honesty if I could make a living at it I would love it. But I know how a pleasure hobby can turn into a drag if you are made to do it. But I still have the love doing it.

[ 02-15-2005, 11:24 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Dave Fleming]

i charge for sanding and other boat stuff. when you do it 40 hours a week it takes all the fun out of it Sad, Dutch for you it seems the vocation outweighs the avocation of what you do.

No argument that were times when I wish I was someplace else.
Fer instance lying in my back wet sanding the bottom of Donald Douglas's motor yacht in rainy November at Blachards in Seattle. Or removing damaged planks from the bilge of a Alioto fishboat in San Francisco complete with a gush of fish gurry and slimy bilge water.
One the other side are good memories too numerous to mention.

If ya don't like watcha doin' find something else to do.

But, please don't whine about your feelings here, OK?
Those sort of comments belong in the Bilge.

Instead tell us about some of the neat jobs you have worked on.

PAX

[ 02-15-2005, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: Dave Fleming ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

No worries as it is I make my living off of nothing more than my hot air good thing I still have plenty of that smile.gif :D

[ 02-15-2005, 11:38 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[StevenBauer]

Sounds like a fun project. Take her, fix her up, sail her for the summer, then decide. You could get the little 4 stroke 2 hp honda and a side bracket like Wayne has and only take the outboard along if you have passengers or if you know the tide will be against you. I think those 2 hp jobs are about $600 new.

Steven

[StevenBauer]

Oh yeah, I forgot one thing - the iceboat spars! I am up to WoodenBoat #14, I started with #1 around Christmas time, and there is a big article in it about "The Hudson's Hardwater Heritage." Seems back in 1860's, 70's and 80's the Hudson was The Center of the iceboating world. Croton, Poughkeepsie, Hyde Park, and New Hamburg are mentioned and the classic boats were Jack Frost, Icicle, Avalanche and Northern Light. So, Joe, or Nora, what do you know about that iceboat rig in the garage? Some of these babies are 50' long with huge sails and were capable of speeds in excess of 80 miles an hour!

Steven

[Ian McColgin]

I am so glad you're planning to forego the motor installation. That stern is too narrow for happy powering anyway.

Just mind the tide and let that tell you which way to head on a given day.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

OK after a fitful sleep a couple of questions come to mind regarding this undertaking.

The calked seams, how do they look to you guys? How do you restore them, what is the process?

Sailing a cat ketch, what is the advantages of that kind of rig over the simple balanced lug I'm sailing now?

The keel bolts, how do I check them to make sure they are sound and she doesn't drop her lead in the hudson :eek: ?

The deck, she used to be canvassed decked, should I go the Dynle and epoxy route. She just has paint on her now.

Sails, she has no sails is it fairly easy to get a set made for her, ( tanbark would be nice smile.gif ) TODD????

Thanks guy's

[ 02-16-2005, 08:49 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[imported_Dutch]

please don't whine about your feelings here gee phlem, i didnt know that saying i charge for my work or that work is work is whining. course im not a hotshot like you so what do i know?

as far as changing vocations, im a bit long in the tooth fer that, and im actively working on my retirement package so that about kills that topic. if i had to start over as an apprentice the drop in wages would leave me down in the bilge crying about how big business is taking advantage of us working stiffs

as far as neat jobs ive worked on....... lets see......well i started out cleaning calf pens for a buck an hour fer a dairy farmer. that was a lot of fun. hed pen his calves up fer the winter and keep adding bedding till spring so that by the time the dog woods bloomed and the calves went to market you had about 4 feet of darn near rock solid ammoniaized mash to try to pitch fork out. you started off bending over to keep from hitting your head and in an hour or so youd be able to stand upright like a man and finally get the cobwebs off yer head. riding home in the vw blowing my nose and looking into the hanky was a real lesson in biology let me tell ya

[Dave Fleming]

a real lesson in biology let me tell ya
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well at least it helped your education.

:D

Say...you wouldn't be the fellow who coined the phrase, "Shoveling **** against the tide", would you? ;)

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

It's all about Dutch :(

With all that boat knowledge ya think he might have been able to answer some of my last questions? :rolleyes:

[imported_Dutch]

tell us about some of the neat jobs you have worked on........ then there was that one where i got paid to lay on a guerny while some nursey types poked my arm and drew off some plasma ....

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Dutch take it downstairs will ya :(
Give it a rest already will ya man.
I'm looking for information and you are wearing that peace pipe down to the bone. So I'm asking ya nice back off, ya folla.

[ 02-16-2005, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[rbgarr]

Joe,

If I were to make sails for Dove, I'd consider something like the batwing ketch rig of Tropic Bird;

http://www.maritimetrades.com/tropicbirds/TropicBird.html

I bet Dove is pretty heavy and would need alot of sail to keep her moving. The batwing plan keeps the center of effort lower compared to something like a split sprit rig. Sam Manning had a Banks dory with a sprit rig and she'd lay over pretty easily IIRC, and it didn't help her sail to windward especially well.

My 2 cents.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

She is Marconi rigged
I would like to keep her traditional.

[ 02-16-2005, 05:31 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Dave Fleming]

Dhowman, this all hypothetical until you get the boat out into the clear light of day.

Those seam separations could be caused by several things but, lets not delve too deeply into that now.

Jes' get her out and into your barn and then post some interior photos using that nifty Leica.

And "NO" 80 grit, please?

[Nora Lee]

Joe...

Just noticed the title of this thread. It sounds as if you are offering photos of yours truly! I don't allow many to be circulated and won't ill I am about another 50# lighter. tongue.gif

You must not have been listening...Alan has the sails for Dove. The last we saw them they were in nice shape. Unless someone used them for a drop cloth, they should be there in that treasure trove of a barn.

Jon "David" is telling me that there is an outboard bracket for her, it was designed to be installed and removed as needed. His power of recall in these matters is usually pretty accurate. The bracket and motor could be brought aboard while sailing!!!!

As for the iceboat spars...there is no boat! Alan plans to use the spars in a decorative way on his property in Orleans, Cape Cod. I don't know what boat they came off of, but I can find out!

Regards,

Nora Lee

[ 02-16-2005, 08:13 PM: Message edited by: Nora Lee ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Nora good to see ya ;)

Thats wonderful news regarding the sails, should they be in good condition it will make a mid summer launch seem a possibility smile.gif

The side mounted motor is great news as well. I should have known anyone who has used DOVE in the Hudson would know about the need for a little kicker form time to tide ;)

So WOW now all my troubles are answered. I have placed another call to Alan regarding my willingness to undertake this project. He is too call me back this evening hopefully. I would like to get her in MY barn and start the work ASAP since I have LUST in my heart smile.gif I know I can take on this project and in a few feverish months I could have her looking bristol and sailing on her native waters. :D Here is to keeping fingers crossed that we have an adoption ;)

Edited to add thank you so much Nora Lee for bringing this treasure to my attention. Please make another trip up when she is done so we may go sailing with her.

[ 02-17-2005, 12:26 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Just got off the phone with Alan, he should have a ya or nay from his partner in the boat for me by next week.

I did ask about the sails and he says that yes they were around at some time but he has not been able to find them again they may very well turn up when we dig through everything on the boat. IM EXCITED :D :D :D

[imported_Dutch]

..... returning repaired window air conditioners back in the hills of kentucky was another of them there eye opener type jobs. poor as i felt at the time to take such a dead end job, these folk were not only poor but plain ole ignorant and with little to no hope of ever seeing more than about 6 hours of direct sunlight in a day (or their own teeth beyond 20 years of age)

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Dutch you do want to push it hmmm ?
Ya wanna go rounds with me again hmmmm???
Ya need a little time off again hmmmmm?

I asked ya nice NOW I'M TELLING YA
TAKE IT TO THE BILGE, FOLLA http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/icons/icon8.gif

For the record I received a second call tonight from Alan he and his partner have agreed to let me take on the project. With 2 caveats. #1 That they both have to meet me. The other partner in this boat will be up in a couple of weeks and we will all shake hands. #2 that when I restore her they get to go for a sail. Conditions sound perfectly agreeable to me. For my effort they are throwing in a vintage British Seagull side mounted engine and special brackets. Also all her original documentation and drawings. For the record she is a Atkin ACTIVE III built in 1945

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Dutch:
cripes joe ya rude dude. some one asked me about interestin jobs ive had and i was tellin him.

whats up your ass tonite?Start another thread!
This is a restoration thread, Folla
Remove your non-related posts. If you continue to post non-related nonsense on this thread I will notify Scot@woodenboat. This is your last warning.

[ 02-16-2005, 11:56 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[imported_Dutch]

golly joe, a bit touchy tonite arent we? some one by the name of the big flem asked me to relate the interesting jobs ive had so thats what i was doing. you need a lesson in manners sir, but what new yorker dont?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Dutch:
golly joe, a bit touchy tonite arent we? some one by the name of the big flem asked me to relate the interesting jobs ive had so thats what i was doing. you need a lesson in manners sir, but what new yorker dont?NOTIFIED:

[ 02-16-2005, 11:59 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[imported_Dutch]

so call scot, joe boy. i dont care. you can play the hero for all the lame brains that you think adore you here. good ole dutch will fade off into the sunset - gone forever- i guess thats what you really want - to be the center of attention with no one to take a second of lime light offa you? well you cant get me scotted, cause im leavin on my own. im on my way to the land of eternal sunshine on friday and hope to never run cross you on the beach down there cause if i do i might have to vomit and id hate to mess up that pretty white sand. comprende senor?

over and out

Dutch

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Dutch:
so call scot, joe boy. i dont care. you can play the hero for all the lame brains that you think adore you here. good ole dutch will fade off into the sunset - gone forever- i guess thats what you really want - to be the center of attention with no one to take a second of lime light offa you? well you cant get me scotted, cause im leavin on my own. im on my way to the land of eternal sunshine on friday and hope to never run cross you on the beach down there cause if i do i might have to vomit and id hate to mess up that pretty white sand. comprende senor?

over and out

DutchSo Long, See ya, BuBye

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Back to the subject at hand.

So it looks like in a short time this boat will be mine.
I spent some time thinking about what she should look like finished and did a few fast computer sketches, tell me what you guys think.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid158/p6048b0bc5649b3681d42f9dda4cda92b/f517fe54.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid158/p24fa5ad667beba2fd94fed30978f503f/f517fe57.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid158/p81f230c2e45b2cd2b6a4c73e198a405f/f5180452.jpg

I matched to the best of my ability Kirby Paint Card to my computer. I will be using Kirby pains on this boat.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Odd thing just happened I went to another computer in my office to check the color calibration on a Windoz PC VS my Mac colors. And the images are not showing up just the dreaded red box :( Then I went to my image station account and all my photos are there except the 3 Illustrations I posted just now ( they have the red X ) So I go back to my laptop and check my image station account and yup they are there clear as day and they are showing up on this page too :confused: Do those with Windoz computers running IE see the images or not?

[StevenBauer]

I don't even see the red x's. Nothin'.

Steven

[Leon Steyns]

Joe,

Windooze XPensive with Firefox show them crispy clear... :D ;)

Please take good care of that British Seagull... Could you take a picture of the engine number, please? I'll tell you what model&year she is... ;) Or have a look at the site below.
You can find the number as shown on the picture:
http://www.saving-old-seagulls.co.uk/images/engine_number.gif

Lots of info on John William's site: http://www.saving-old-seagulls.co.uk/
He's a retired Marine Police Officer and a really nice guy. Very dedicated to keep them babies running... :D :D :D

Good luck on this project and thank you for sharing!

Oh, and before I forget: please have a look at this Seagull manual. There's a lot of misunderstanding regarding Seagulls that can easily be avoided... British Seagull Operation Instructions (http://www.math.toronto.edu/almgren/fun/seagull.html)

Greets, Leon Steyns.

[ 02-17-2005, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: Leon Steyns ]

[Nora Lee]

Congratulations Joe!!!

I saw this your post yesterday, but I was at my Mom's in Nags Head, I had forgotten to bring along my password to this forum, so I couldn't reply!

I am so happy for you, Dove has surely found the right home! I was holding my breath, Pierre can sometimes be a bit unpredictable.

I plan to be coming north again in June, I hope to see her in the water by then!

Again Congrats!

Nora Lee ;)

[Oyvind Snibsoer]

Just a thought, but how about mounting an electric trolling motor to the rudder. Instead of using heavy a heavy bank of batteries you could tuck away a small, (and hopefully quiet), genset under one of the thwarts. It wouldn't take any major modifications to the original structure of the boat.

Of course, just using the original outboard bracket would be easier and cheaper. Again, it was just a thought.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Oyvind Snibsoer:
Just a thought, but how about mounting an electric trolling motor to the rudder. Instead of using heavy a heavy bank of batteries you could tuck away a small, (and hopefully quiet), genset under one of the thwarts. It wouldn't take any major modifications to the original structure of the boat.

Of course, just using the original outboard bracket would be easier and cheaper. Again, it was just a thought.Oyvind I was kinda thinking the same thing too.

I have a big minkotta I could dismantle and mount the motor on to the rudder run the wiring up and stow 2 batteries forward.

Kinda like this:
http://www.devlinboat.com/nancyschinadc.gif

It would keep it clean and simple and if need be very removable so nothing permanent. I was thinking of mounting one on each side for 2x the thrust just in case. What do you all think of that? Also is there a site that shows exactly how to dismantle a minkota trolling motor to accomplish this? Or should I just go with the side mounted British Seagull. I was told it not to be used on a port tack if there is any wind. I like the idea of the two electric motors mounted to the rudder a little extra battery ballast in the peak and enough juice and thrust to get home if needed with out looking or SOUNDING much different then her 1945 sheer would let on ;)

[StevenBauer]

Use the Seagull to see if you can get used to the noise and smell (and oil slick) then get one of these:

http://www.honda-marine.com/images/bf2_engine.jpg

Honda's 2-horsepower engine is the lightest four-stroke outboard motor in the world. It delivers the power and smooth, comfortable operation your customers need in a small, easy-to-handle package. It's extremely low-maintenance, with a transistor ignition that makes it easy to start...and a forced-air cooling system that eliminates the need for a water pump. Play the video to see the two versions of the BF2, and the key features that make it the right choice for a wide range of customers.

[ 02-21-2005, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: StevenBauer ]