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George Jung
07-04-2007, 12:14 PM
:D News story in the NYTimes starts out like this....

Officials in New York complain that New Jersey baymen are going across the state line to dig in New York’s bottom.

But as it turns out, they're just arguing over who owns the clams in Raritan Bay.

After a debilitating bout with a parasite, these hardshell clams are flourishing anew in Raritan Bay...allowed the two states to revive an old dispute. Clammers and officials in New York complain that New Jersey is looking the other way as its baymen wander across the state line and dig in New York’s bottom.

You've gotta admire a nice turn of phrase.

bamamick
07-04-2007, 12:16 PM
while he was in college. He said that his main joy in life at that time was coming up with as many double entendre as he could to see if he could slide any of them by the editor. You know that that HAS to happen.

Mickey Lake

George Jung
07-04-2007, 12:22 PM
:D Ya gotta love it! And, it does add a lil' humor to a VERY SERIOUS STORY! Right?

Actually, I suspect there are some big $ involved here.... but still...

Popeye
07-04-2007, 12:36 PM
a classic tragedy of the clammers if i ever saw one

Mrleft8
07-04-2007, 12:56 PM
Like this?

Paul Girouard
07-04-2007, 12:56 PM
Humm I was thinkin you'd be refering to this

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/fosterhere/MYSTIC/MYSTIC121.jpg

Talk about dbl entendre

Mrleft8
07-04-2007, 12:58 PM
Who says I dont take unflattering photos
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Paul Girouard
07-04-2007, 01:39 PM
Who says I dont take unflattering photos
Walking into a closed screen door

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/fosterhere/MYSTIC/MYSTIC118.jpg


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There ya go Lefty;)

Paul Girouard
07-04-2007, 01:47 PM
Like this?


http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/fosterhere/MYSTIC/MYSTIC123.jpg

Or was this the one ??? :D Whiskey all gone Indians go home , McLintock !


http://services.windowsmedia.com/dvdcover/cov150/drt600/t657/t65785zjgfo.jpg


Good movie :D

George Jung
07-04-2007, 02:03 PM
Why'd you delete your post, Mr. Ledger? As I remember it, I thought it a bit tongue in cheek, but perhaps you actually were angry about my topic? (Something about not having any 'bottoms' in S.D.; I admit, I wasn't sure how to respond to that one!)
Perhaps you'd like to explain - if this topic is a sensitive one for you, or you think inappropriate, I'll delete it. No intent of harm; just having a day off and a lil' fun....

Jim Ledger
07-04-2007, 02:58 PM
Why'd you delete your post, Mr. Ledger? As I remember it, I thought it a bit tongue in cheek, but perhaps you actually were angry about my topic? (Something about not having any 'bottoms' in S.D.; I admit, I wasn't sure how to respond to that one!)
Perhaps you'd like to explain - if this topic is a sensitive one for you, or you think inappropriate, I'll delete it. No intent of harm; just having a day off and a lil' fun....

No problem, there, George. Clamming and the bay bottom must seem like something from another planet out in South Dakota but here these issues are often governed by patents issued by British monarchs.


Here's a bit of backstory not in the article:

In New York anyone can get a license to dig commercially. You get a State DEC licence and a local license where you live that allows you to dig in your local area. Some townships have reciprocal agrreements but many don't.

In Raritan bay in NJ the water is polluted and the clams are THICK, not having been worked for decades. New Jersey licences about fifty diggers who must sell their catch to the depuration plant at about half the market value.

Compare this to the situation in the 70's when the hard clam harvest peaked in New York. Back then there were 10,000 New York permits issued. If you were getting clams you kept then in the hatch where no one could see otherwise you'd go out the next day to see boats on your spot.

So here's New Jersey, 50 diggers, protected by law from competition, with a huge bay thick with clams, digging at about 3 or 4 times the rate of open water diggers. They're done by lunch, filled their quota.

So now they must have dug them all up.

And now they're pushing the line.

Who could blame the New Yorkers for being angry after having watched this for years and not being able to participate and now they have to compete with the same bunch.

NOT ONLY THAT but you have to understand the depressing effect on the clam price for the entire region that a huge guaranteed supply such as Raritan Bay has.

Also, my brother-in-law was one of the New Jersey guys.

George Jung
07-04-2007, 03:13 PM
I got it; and, I understand why you're unhappy about this particular situation.

But recognize, I was commenting less on the issue, than I was having a Beavis and Butthead moment (he said Butt.... hehehehe). The double entendre was the point of the post.

If you like, I'll delete. It's not a real redeemable topic, anyway!

Jim Ledger
07-04-2007, 03:27 PM
Hey, Beev, they said bottom...get it.....heh,heh,.....heh,heh....heh,heh:D

How about Homer Simpson. Bottom.....Mmmmm.:D

Hey George, it's your thread.

The only reason I know this is because of my pain-in-the-ass New Jersey brother-in-law's bragging about how much he makes.

If his boat were to sink at the dock one night......well...;)

JBreeze
07-04-2007, 03:38 PM
I thought the headline was clever:

Interstate Spat Develops Over Raritan Bay Clams

A spat is an immature shellfish.;)

I read the article to see what type of clams to stay away from at the market....they are "hard shell" clams, i.e. called quohogs in RI.....I get mine by walking down the street to the cove and digging my own.

Didn't the Raritan River spontaneously catch on fire about 20 years ago?:D

JBreeze
07-04-2007, 04:01 PM
If you visit the east coast and are tempted to buy, or try some, get the very small ones (cherrystones),usually eaten RAW....otherwise this is what happens....:D

From one of the salt water fishing boards

I frequently throw mussels in a pan with olive oil, onions, garlic, tomatoes, etc. Last week I threw in some quohogs. The clams opened and looked great but they were like vulcanized rubber.
How do you cook those things? Someone said they do them on a grill?

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spook, were the clams on the large side ??
I find that the little clams are less rubbery when cooked.

Or maybe you over cooked them. The way you are doing it sounds good, but you don't want to leave them over the heat too much longer after the pop open.

The same goes for the grill, just put em right on the grill wait for em to pop and you are good to go.



My wife makes a sauce with olive oil, white wine, garlic, fresh parsley and black pepper that is brushed onto the clams after they pop. Leave them on for another minute or two. Thats it.


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Big clams are generally rubber. Good for chowdah, or something that cooks for a while and not much more (other than bait).

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Those babies are for Red Clam Sauce or Chowder...otherwise it's like eating a giant flem ball that doesn't come apart http://www.stripersonline.com/ubb547/smilies/upck.gif


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Jim Ledger
07-04-2007, 04:04 PM
Cherrystones are large clams and are good to chop up and make baked clams. To eat on the half shell or steam you want littlenecks, a smaller grade.

George Jung
07-04-2007, 04:06 PM
Thanks. And yum.......

JBreeze
07-04-2007, 04:21 PM
You want me to send you some? The clams are free, but the air freight is probably $$s:D . Quivering raw clams make some girls squeemish, and puts hair on the chests of adolescent boys.

Jim is correct.....the smallest are littlenecks, then cherrystones, then the large chowda clams.

I got the two reversed, probably because I pick my own and never buy them. The minimum legal size for residents here is 1" hinge width.

Mrleft8
07-05-2007, 08:45 AM
Clam names have changed... Used to be the Cherry stones were the littlest ones... Then Little necks, then Chowders or Quahogs.... Now it's 'Necks, Counts, 'Stones, and Chowders.... Used to be you could buy a basket of Cherry stones for about $5....Now a bag of Necks costs about $60...

Popeye
07-05-2007, 09:17 AM
which reminds me..

http://forums.egullet.org/uploads/1115083206/gallery_18820_1174_62148.jpg

time to get some beer steamed mussels .. and beer