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arlingtondiver
07-02-2007, 10:49 PM
Greetings,

I saw an add recently for lines that had a brown/tan, distinctly old-fashioned look - much like a manilla line. I thought I had bookmarked it, but didn't.

Has anyone a lead on such a product?

Thanks in advance.

Arlingtondiver

dredbob
07-02-2007, 11:09 PM
Both of the following sell modern synthetic substitutes that have a traditional appearance. The Posh and Buff Polyester from R&W are polyester (dacron) and more suited to use as halyards on fore-and-aft rigs than the polypropylene based lines, which have greater stretch. The Posh is available as a double braid.

The Leoflex from AR&T (I think) is what used to be called Roblon. I've had a fair amount of experience with this, it's good stuff, but is polypropylene, so will stretch more than the dacron.

R&W Rope Warehouse (http://www.rwrope.com/traditional_rigging/rope_for_Running_Rigging.htm)

American Rope & Tar (http://www.tarsmell.com/leoflex-x.html)

Thorne
07-02-2007, 11:52 PM
Lots of recent discussion on this topic, try a search for "hempex" and "R&W".

What function will the line be used for? Hempex is the original and a bit too soft for most purposes other than sheets.

George Ray
07-03-2007, 12:14 AM
Traditional Cordage Thread:
http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=60969

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I am buying Hemex etc from R&W rope.
My wife is now putting 'Mathew Walkers on the ends of the new Hempex dead eye lanyards.

http://rwrope.com/traditional_rigging/traditional_rigging.htm

Gordon Laco: "mainstay (at) csolve (dot) net" is who I have been dealing with. Very helpful and knowledgeable. He was tech adviser on 'Master and Commander', had a cameo part and is featured in the interviews about the making of the movie.

arlingtondiver
07-03-2007, 07:51 PM
Wow. Thanks to all for all the helpful advice. Many different brands and types.

I want to replace all my docking and springlines. Are these products suitable? My cleats are slightly oversized so I could jump up a size to compensate.

It sounded as if their strength and wearability might be a factor against using them as docklines?

Arlingtondiver

kc8pql
07-03-2007, 08:55 PM
I'd stay with nylon for docklines. For that use, stretch is a good thing.

George Ray
07-04-2007, 07:29 AM
I'd stay with nylon for docklines. For that use, stretch is a good thing.

Ditto.

dredbob
07-04-2007, 09:13 PM
I want to replace all my docking and springlines. Are these products suitable? My cleats are slightly oversized so I could jump up a size to compensate.

In general, I agree with the others here who have said nylon is best for dock (and anchor) lines. But, how big is your boat and where/how exposed, etc. is it kept.

The replica ship that I am involved with uses nylon for the ships dock lines, but the heavily built jolly boat is moored with ~ 1 inch roblon.

The biggest issue with the polypropylene based manila look alikes would be chafe and melting in a high friction inducing surge. Even nylon is susceptable to this, but the polypro has a lower melting temp, I believe.

The polypro also behaves somewhat differently under heavy strain. Where nylon is like a spring, stretching and taking back up, the polypro may stretch and stay deformed. These are generalizations that may or may not apply to any particular product, depending on whether it is a blend of fibers, the braid or twist, and other engineering factors that ent into the design and manufacture of the rope.

Bob