View Full Version : NZ's Early 6mR

John B
05-08-2007, 04:49 PM
We don't have metre classes here as a rule but as I said in the other metre thread, various people did try to kick off the classes here at various times.
Not successfully I add so there were class orphans.
One boat , which I always thought was built circa 1904, turns out to be slightly later although I forget what they established .. somewhere 06 to 09, is Scout.( since informed 1909)
She's about 32 ft loa and was gaff cutter rigged when built . The editor of the boating magazine at the time tried very hard to promote metre classes and she certainly was announced and promoted as being one.
Neat boat and she's campaigned hard here.( with one small glitch)
The owner is a friend of mine and has done a fine job of maintaining and making some improvements to her so she's in great racing form.I'd add though , that like a lot of these NZ boats of this age she's still fundamentally unrestored in that her hull is undisturbed and most of her decks are original.She's had repairs over the years of course,and the cabin went from low to doghouse in the 50's back to a new low one again late 1990's. I've come to regard cabins as consumables on boats this age though... Waione is on her second coaming set but 4th height variant for example.

He tells me that should she measure and turn out to actually be a 6 then she'll quite possibly be the oldest surviving member of the class in the world!

05-08-2007, 04:53 PM
100 years ago then I can believe it. It is the 100th anniversary of the rule itself, yes?

The air in New Zealand must be especially kind to wooden boats. Must be rather mild, temperature-wise.

Mickey Lake

John B
05-08-2007, 05:01 PM
I think thats a factor Mickey,but its more a combination of things. Its too easy to just say its the kauri timber.

I think its temperate climate ( and the lack of aggressive parasites)
competence and methods( colonial can do and coastal shipping/ boatbuilding ,Island nation standards.)
and culture.

By culture I mean that of a small country , egalitarian historically, that is not or was not wealthy. This means that people would keep old cars, old boats, old everything going rather than replace it.
Lots of Irish mixed in us too, so there's that romantic streak of pining for the old= good.

John B
05-08-2007, 05:16 PM
Pretty wholesome little hull eh.

1909, I'm told.

05-14-2007, 11:58 AM
since all metre boats were build to exact scantlings under supervision of Lloyd's or Veritas, it should not be to difficult to trace her in an old register of yachts ;certainly if not many were in NZ in those years.
the rule was agreed upon in 1907 for ten years but boats from 1906 could be allowed .

First rule metre boats were a lot smaller than those of the second rule.The first rule developed before WW1 into pure racing yachts (altough the idea was to build racing yachts that could later be used for practical cruising) lengths of 35 ft (large overhangs) and a beam of less than 6ft with a sail area around 60Mē and a lot of lead were in 1913 common in the 6mR reason enough to change the rule in 1919. Development and building was in fact stopped in 1914 (international competition was brought to another level and they then found another use for lead instead of pouring keels )

.the sixes were also the first racers to use the bermuda sail around 1913/14
there are a few of these first 6mR left, think the Linton Hope design
Musette must the oldest one.

John B
03-19-2008, 01:31 PM
Evidently, she measures.

03-19-2008, 02:14 PM
Are there supposed to be photos in this thread? None come through here.

John B
03-19-2008, 02:41 PM
Old thread update is all it is. I thought it might interest someone.
Pics gone the way of imagestation.

John B
03-25-2008, 02:51 AM
here's a pic taken on the weekend.

03-25-2008, 02:09 PM
And here she is as Originally launched......


Jay Greer
03-25-2008, 06:42 PM
I kind of like that original rig!

John B
03-25-2008, 06:55 PM
Big dilemma for them Jay. They did briefly talk about a gaff but I think they'll go with a new wooden bermudan rig .

Jay Greer
03-26-2008, 12:34 PM
Big dilemma for them Jay. They did briefly talk about a gaff but I think they'll go with a new wooden bermudan rig .
Interesting point. Some of the Vende Globe racers are now gaff rigged.
With the lightness and strength of modern materials, they are quite efficient. Perhaps, they can be more efficient than the Bermuda rigs.

John B
03-26-2008, 03:32 PM
I think its more about having someone to race against Jay. I remember the one Peter Brookes rigged gaff in the UK( Asti ?) but I don't think there are any other gaff boats for her to race with.
They do a lot of local racing in Kerikeri in the BOI so they're predisposed to what they have ,except they'll have to take the carbon stick out for the 6mR events. make one new set of sails to do both.

Of course gaff would make it very easy to ship in the container, as the mast would only be boatlength.:D
No scarfs on the dock;)

John B
03-02-2009, 09:38 PM
Scout measured up and is on track for the 2009 World cup at Newport.