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ishmael
04-18-2007, 07:13 PM
Wumpous has been a grump of late. She's not much a fighter, but I think this is what happened. She was running away, and got tagged on her rump, right rear thigh, by another cat. She limped for a day, and now she retires and nurses this infection.

If this gets worse, or if it doesn't come to a head in the next week, I'll take her to the vet. It's good to keep an eye on such things. Just musing. If I took her to the vet's now, he would prescribe some oral antibiotic. I'd rather let this run its course, so long as miss kitty isn't suffering untoward. She'll give me a fine hiss when I go to touch the sore spot.

Phillip Allen
04-18-2007, 07:15 PM
Better take her to the vet sooner rather than later...cat bites can get pretty stinky

willmarsh3
04-18-2007, 07:25 PM
I'd say get it treated asap. They are kinda iffy.

Whiskey got an abscess on his back left paw. I went on a weekend trip and did not know about it. Sunday on the way back I get a call from the cat sitter that he is laying down in the laundry room which was not normal. She identified it and asked if she could take him to the emergency vet. I said absolutely do it now. $400 later I picked him up. Later another vet checkup with hydration and more antibiotics - another $400. Cats get sick and sometimes don't want to drink water when they need to. It was touch and go for about a week but he finally recovered. I really don't want to go through that again!

brad9798
04-18-2007, 07:25 PM
Lotsa peroxide ... the bad thing about outdoor cats ...

They are very tough, though.

It will take a few weeks to heal ...

brad9798
04-18-2007, 07:27 PM
The good thing about hydrating cats is that it is not done intraveniously ... simply inject saline/glucose in various places in the torso ... preferably on back and sides ...

Not that tough to do ...

Within 24 hours, they will be fully hydrated ...

JimD
04-18-2007, 07:29 PM
Cat skin heals over very quickly, trapping the infection inside. Likely better for both the cat and the wallet if you let it looked at sooner than later.

ishmael
04-18-2007, 07:33 PM
I'm keeping an eye on her. Cats, probably out of some evolutionary skill, heal over bites quickly. That's what has happened here. It's a lump about the size of a quail's egg. Probably the proper thing would be to lance it, but good luck keeping her still long enough. The vet would prescribe amoxycillin, or its cognate.

She'll be alright. She'll either open it herself, of it will break and drain. She is a grump at the moment. LOL.

There's nothing life threatening going on, and I think with most of these matters it is best to let nature take its course rather than administer antibiotics.

Phillip Allen
04-18-2007, 07:43 PM
careful Ish...she has stickers on her feets

JimD
04-18-2007, 07:47 PM
There's nothing life threatening going on

I wouldn't be too sure of that, but she's your kitty. Good luck and hope she heals up ok.

ishmael
04-18-2007, 07:59 PM
If she were in real distress I'd get her to the vet. Having an abscess like this is just part of cat dom. Thankfully, she usually turns the other cheek. I've had cats that were constantly in trouble out of pugnacious natures. Gawd, vet bills!

This little infection will pass, and if it gets worse I will consult Mr. Vet. I don't run to the doc with every little affliction, why should miss kitty get more attention?

There's a lot to be said for home medicine.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
04-18-2007, 08:27 PM
A cat abcess require immediate attention... usually treated with Clavamox, and it clear up quickly... Needs to get cleaned out and flushed too.

Infections endanger your animals life. Do something.

Mrleft8
04-18-2007, 08:34 PM
Jack.... Do you like your cat?

ishmael
04-18-2007, 08:40 PM
Well, we disagree. Again, if I sense something really bad going on I'll take her to the vet. As it sits I'm going to let it ride.

A small abscess is not a cause for panic. She's a bit out of sorts, probably has a small fever and when it opens I'll try to put some peroxide to it, but it's just small. If it gets big, I will take her to the vet.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
04-18-2007, 08:43 PM
I keep clavamox on hand for the kitties... always somebody needing it...

Anyway, sounds like you don't need a vet, you have it all figured out

ishmael
04-18-2007, 09:06 PM
Hey, I take very good care of the animals in my charge. Given this infection, I'm not going to take Wumpous to the vet and get an antibiotic. It will pass, I'm just about positive. She will probably be stronger because I'll let this run.

Stiletto
04-18-2007, 09:57 PM
My cat had a lump like that on his head from a fight. He ended up breaking it himself by rubbing his head on a verandah post. I had only just become aware of it. I then treated it with human antibiotic cream.
They are hardy animals, but now you are aware of it I reckon you should lance it. Got any welders gloves to wear?

Mrleft8
04-18-2007, 10:19 PM
Sounds like it's already an open sore......

Ian Marchuk
04-18-2007, 10:19 PM
Our shopcat was "off" one day . Definately not herself. A very gentle stroking found the cause . A hot swelling about 2"X3" on one side of her spine and a few inches from her backside. Skin was healed over and no punctures were found in what seemed an impossible volume of fur. Next day she was a wreck. This is no pampered matron , either.
Off to the vet. Drew a few cc of the ugliest foulest pus imaginable.
Probably a catbite he thought.
So he put her under and lanced the abcess , and installed a feline fashion body piercing drain . Surgical tubing is THE dare I say cat's whiskers in fashion. It drained for about ten days .
He said that he toof off about a quarter cup of heavy foul pus.
When the anesthetic wore off , she was right as rain , headed for her food bowl , loaded up , had a drink and then she wanted to go out to strut her brand new body piercing.
Total cost ? 200 $ C. , including meds. Downright sensible cost wise , considering the expertise involved.
Jack , just cause you think you have it all under control is more wishful thinking than anything reality based. You took on a responsibility with this critter , do not let it suffer , simply because it is a "tough" little bugger , and you believe it will survive.
Either that or admit that you are an irresponsible cheapskate who made the mistake of musing about his cat's suffering on a public forum.
Am I under your skin yet?????
Like ,er , an abcess????


I will duck back under cover ,now.....

Stiletto
04-19-2007, 04:37 AM
Does it make her fart go Honda?

S.V. Airlie
04-19-2007, 04:41 AM
We have been through this before.. I E. Vet visits.. perhaps not abscesses but just vet trips for umm shots etc.
Ish will do what he thinks he should do. Same as before.
I happen to agree with the advice given but I am not Ish.

Oh, that reminds me.. C'dog ended up with worms.. probably from the cats next door... Interestingly enough her heart worm meds are supposed to work on what she has.. Umm.. The company is going to reimberse me though.. Umm, I wonder when.
Gotta make a vet appointment or at least follow her around the yard for a sample...:eek: to take in...

ps.. I think Jack posts these to get a reaction. Success!

LeeG
04-19-2007, 05:56 AM
I'm cooking some cut steel oats this morning. Maybe trim my toenails.

ishmael
04-19-2007, 08:09 AM
Jamie,

Simply because we measure risk/benefit differently doesn't make you right. In order to lance this you'd have to put her under. At this point I think the risk of letting it run less.

Same with her vaccination regime.

S.V. Airlie
04-19-2007, 08:11 AM
Ish.. no.. IT does not make me right..I'm not a vet...so of course it doesn't. But I respect a vet's experience... And as I wrote, you will do what you THINK is right.. okay.. go for it.
Am I wrong in saying you will do what you think is right which differs from a majority of these posts.? I think you will...
Nuff said.

hokiefan
04-19-2007, 10:05 AM
We had a cat very prone to getting infections and abcesses. When he was feeling poorly he would lay there and let me clean it and put peroxide on it. As he healed he would start complaining. When he wouldn't let me I knew he was OK. The vet never had to knock him out to lance it, Sebastian knew we were helping. One time the wound healed over before it was well and I had to lance it again. He just sat in my lap and let me do it. I was never really relaxed doing it, because I knew what he could do to me if he got pissed, but it didn't happen. Maybe that made me carefull and get it right the first time.

Take care of your cat.

Bobby

editted for spelling

ishmael
04-19-2007, 10:24 AM
This one would not submit easily to the knife. LOL.

When I first took her to the vet we had a lengthy conversation about the risk/benefit of the various vaccinations. He's a smart guy, who's been practicing in the area for twenty years, and I was up on the issue just about as well. "What prevalence of the disease have you seen?" was one of my questions, and I took the decisions I did. I took them out of lengthy consideration about her welfare, not out of sloth or parsimony. Were my decisions correct? Who knows? The vet basically told me it was a zero sum.

Suggestions otherwise offend me. I've kept a cat most years of my life, and these abscesses are pretty common. If it gets bad I'll go the vet route, but they usually resolve by themselves.

LeeG
04-19-2007, 10:32 AM
I put brown sugar and margarine in it

Ian Marchuk
04-19-2007, 10:16 PM
"suggestions otherwise offend me".... So because some of us question the wisdom and compassion of letting things take their course with all the attendant suffering involved , when there is a simple and merciful alternative you are offended...
WOW..... Reflect on what your statement really says....

ishmael
04-19-2007, 11:12 PM
I don't get the need people have to fix everything. I've had boils so I know how they feel. She's got a sore spot, but she's not suffering hugely. She's eating and drinking normally. I've made the determination that at the moment the better choice is to let it run its course, but I'm keeping a close eye on it. If it changes for the worse I'll take her to the vet. Getting the vet involved at this point holds a larger risk than just letting it run. That's my assessment, yours may be different. Who's right?

Years ago I had a physician friend. He was a top kidney specialist in Wisconsin. As happens when you've got a skilled friend, relatives and neighbors would ocasionally impose on his expertise. His comment was that 99 times out of 100 the problems were minor, but were amplified by attention. "Kids are sick in direct proportion to how much their parents look for trouble." Like that.

I posted the issue because I thought some here might have a new view on cat abscesses which I hadn't thought of.

Anyone with an outdoor cat who tussles with other cats knows the drill. When a cat is bitten by another cat they heal over on the skin and get an infection. Almost always. And it's rarely a big deal. I had a little boy cat, must have been all of 10 pounds, who could not stay out of fights. A pugnacious fellow, and because he was little he was always getting his ass kicked by the big Toms in the neighborhood. If I'd taken him to the vet every time he had one of these abscesses I'd have gone broke. They always resolved. I think he was ultimately et by a fisher. Just was gone one day.

A helluva lot of cat owners wouldn't even notice this lump on her rump, or the subtle changes in her behavior.

JimM
04-20-2007, 12:20 AM
Ish
Failure to provide medical treatment for your pet is considered animal abuse under most states humaine animal laws. Get the cat treated.

ishmael
04-20-2007, 12:50 AM
I'm not failing to provide medical care. That's what I don't get in the 'tude people are slinging. Catawumpous has a sore spot, and I'm quite attentive to it. My judgement is that it's best left to its devices. That judgement may change, but at the moment I think her chances better without a vet's attention.

Posing this as animal abuse is very objectionable to me, because I believe we should take care of our animals. That's what I'm doing!

This need to make everything fixed, safe, utopian that's showing on this thread really worries me. It's not safe, and Wumpous's infection a chance. The way of the world.

LeeG
04-20-2007, 06:03 AM
'tude slinging

ishmael
04-20-2007, 08:06 PM
Happy to report she's rubbed this open. Just like I figured. She was out all afternoon wandering cat ways. Not the walk of a sick kitty. This sore obviously bothered her, and I suspect she spent some time rubbing in the bushes. About half drained.

All you do-gooder ninnies need to take some lessons.

Mrleft8
04-20-2007, 08:13 PM
WAit till it festers and starts to necrotize.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
04-20-2007, 08:20 PM
Hows the non drinking going Jack?

ishmael
04-20-2007, 08:32 PM
Doug,

This is where I don't get it. I look at it two or three times a day. If it was other than typical I'd get her to the vet. It is typical, probably a skin bacteria introjected under the skin by a bite. I've seen it a hundred times.

Why do people think I need to go get it "fixed"? Silly, to me. Wumpous needs her spring vaccine for rabies, but aside from that she's fine. She'll open this, lick it clean, and Bob's your uncle. If I get a chance I'll hit it with some peroxide.

My vet, who as I've said is smart and experienced, would say the same thing. Oh, okay, bring her in, but it's probably just a cat abcess.


What bee is in people's bonnets?

Canoeyawl
04-20-2007, 09:10 PM
I had a tough old male cat that was always getting into trouble and eventually the vet killed him.
But, I digress; he lived a long life and was often wounded and abscessed.
Here’s the thing, many times I used a hot moist compress to help draw out the infection.
It also eases the pain and inflammation - he liked it.
The moisture will help keep the wound open and draining.
Once the wound is open, it is important to keep it clean with a simple antibiotic like Neosporin
I like all the little beasties…

stevebaby
04-20-2007, 10:27 PM
Doug,

This is where I don't get it. I look at it two or three times a day. If it was other than typical I'd get her to the vet. It is typical, probably a skin bacteria introjected under the skin by a bite. I've seen it a hundred times.

Why do people think I need to go get it "fixed"? Silly, to me. Wumpous needs her spring vaccine for rabies, but aside from that she's fine. She'll open this, lick it clean, and Bob's your uncle. If I get a chance I'll hit it with some peroxide.

My vet, who as I've said is smart and experienced, would say the same thing. Oh, okay, bring her in, but it's probably just a cat abcess.


What bee is in people's bonnets?
http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.html
Honey as a topical antibacterial agent for treatment of infected wounds
Someone I knew developed a n abcess on his leg after scratching it while working in water contaminated by raw sewage.
He tried antibiotics and surgery,neither of which cured the problem. Eventually (After suffering for 5 years) it was suggested that he try topical application of honey to the wound.
The abcess disappeared after 3 months.I've used it for years on cuts burns and scrapes. It works better when the honey is slightly diluted with water.
I've read that the active ingredient in honey is peroxide and that honey (because the peroxide is diluted) is gentler on the surrounding skin than straight peroxide. Honey doesn't sting either.
How you can prevent a cat from licking it off again...I dunno! Perhaps you will have keep reapplying it faster than the cat can lick it off.
Lee's suggestion to use sugar is also a good one.
Doctors have been using sugar on wounds for a long time and from what I've been able to read about the subject, sugar is also quite effective.
It may be worth trying. No side effects, it's a mild but effective treatment and it can do no harm.

LeeG
04-21-2007, 01:12 AM
the sugar is for the oatmeal
I was sharing