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The Bigfella
04-17-2007, 02:22 AM
OK - along the lines of the aircraft thread, I called in to see a couple that I knew back in my late high school years. I'd been meaning to catch up and have a quick look at their motorbike collection for years - but had just seen them at work or restaurants over the years.

So, taking a peek at a few of their bikes - can anyone identify these?

The bike in the centre please - the others, as desirable as they are, are too easy:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/pc0c7c9ab99852c5d216e5debada51af1/e9e077b4.jpg

This:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p65329b98739c2c562d6c36c1c4b16aae/e9e077aa.jpg

The one next to the post:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/paf16c65f696d6b736f8ee37e7a216453/e9e077a0.jpg

Three should be enough eh? I can add more if you are interested, but can't tell you where they are...

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
04-17-2007, 02:53 AM
2: Some of a Vin in the wrong frame
3: Vin Series A.

The Bigfella
04-17-2007, 03:23 AM
more specific please

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
04-17-2007, 03:26 AM
2: Some of an HRD Vincent V twin in a non original (possibly Egli) frame.
3: A vin (Could even be a comet) from before the decent front fork.

The Bigfella
04-17-2007, 03:38 AM
#2 is a RTV - a 1200cc Vincent inspired bike that my mate makes in his spare time.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/pb3c3a25653caa1b58d1de9399f049e85/e9e077a5.jpg

I'm thinking I want one .........

#3 is a Vincent Grey Flash

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
04-17-2007, 03:41 AM
Ahhh. I thought it might be a single.
Does your mate make the entire engine?

The Bigfella
04-17-2007, 03:51 AM
The whole lot - buys some bits in of course, but yep, castings, machining, etc. There's a lot of work in there. They aren't cheap.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
04-17-2007, 04:04 AM
I don't doubt it.

Does he do a Brough Superior as well?

The Bigfella
04-17-2007, 04:12 AM
Does he do a Brough Superior as well?

Ha! I don't think he'd be wanting to take that on after this one.

This project was started by a couple of guys who hadn't thought the whole thing through and my mate took it on and made it all work. By an odd coincidence, I know one of the guys who originally started the project - he used to live just down the road from me.

The frame was originally modelled on the Egli - but is significantly modified now, including separate oil tank.

The Bigfella
04-17-2007, 04:12 AM
No takers for #1?

Clue - engine is based on an NSU engine

Andrew Craig-Bennett
04-17-2007, 04:16 AM
Mammut?

JimD
04-17-2007, 04:19 AM
How about this one?

http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcmuseum/mcphotos/lowtech.jpg

The Bigfella
04-17-2007, 04:51 AM
Mammut?


Yep, a Munch Mammoth (originally called a Mammut)

I was just blown away by the quality of my mate's bikes - he has many that have never been ridden - some that have never been started. FOUR HRD Vincent twins .........

I bought my first bike off him (if you don't count my Vespa bush-basher that I had when I was 15) - a 1949 rigid tail G80S 500cc Matchless.

He tells me he has the bits I need to get my R90S BMW on the road again....

Jim - that looks like a Nutcracker to me

Andrew Craig-Bennett
04-17-2007, 05:01 AM
The R90S was, I think, my favourite BMW. They started to go wrong with the R100RS and went wronger, to the point where I would not want one now.

The last bike that I really lusted after was the Hesketh, which was 90% of a really good bike.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
04-17-2007, 05:10 AM
Agreed - I keep looking at modern bikes and thinking:

1. I don't need 120 bhp.
2. Look at all that fragile expensive plastic
3. Damn his eyes - a chain
4.(BMW) Oh good - a shaft - now tell me why it needs four pivot axes.
5.(Triumph) - And the Centre-stand's an optional accessory!

Andrew Craig-Bennett
04-17-2007, 05:13 AM
Snap!

The Bigfella
04-17-2007, 05:21 AM
The last bike that I really lusted after was the Hesketh, which was 90% of a really good bike.


He's got one - although we didn't get it uncovered for a photo.

Here's a couple more to have a go at - this one still with its original grey cables, complete with grease nipples in them:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p11bc220111ceccbab7239f2e3a603afb/e9e034f6.jpg

The colour should give you the one on the left. The one on the right I'd never heard of before:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p5ae6d62c76f1590f9ef48e1bdc7f09ff/e9e034f9.jpg

Ian

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
04-17-2007, 05:31 AM
"Ivory Calthorpe"?

The Bigfella
04-17-2007, 05:33 AM
Yep

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
04-17-2007, 05:47 AM
These may use Dilithium crystals
http://www.rotaryownersclub.co.uk/DonovanW2000.jpg
http://www.rotaryownersclub.co.uk/re5jockel.jpg

The Bigfella
04-17-2007, 06:17 AM
I saw two of the rotary Suzukis today - called in at the motorcycle museum at Nabiac - was rather disappointed at the standard of their bikes though. That top one is the DKW isn't it. Norton also did a rotary IIRC.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
04-17-2007, 06:24 AM
Yes, Norton did, and it never really came right. Suspect insufficient development £ - very common problem in British engineering, which, with a few very honourable exceptions, such as R-R, tends to be an under-financed cottage industry.

Paul Pless
04-17-2007, 07:01 AM
Man! you gave the answer before I woke up...

Its a Munch Mammoth TTS, with a motor based on a small car engine. It was the first mega cruiser, before its time until the Gold Wings came out.

Here's a couple of pictures I took of one about a month ago.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/pa0dfa8acdef534f4a36eefc73d2b7c08/ea568901.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p8b71aa4b5b31ed3bc1d53f41c7faaa68/ea5688f7.jpg

Henning 4148
04-17-2007, 02:11 PM
The engine of the Munch is an NSU engine, four cylinder. The car it came from was the NSU Prinz, in the TTS version quite a hot drive for it's time.

Mr. Munch (the guy who built the Munch) even added Turbos later on ...

LeeG
04-17-2007, 04:49 PM
thanks for the thread

The Bigfella
04-17-2007, 05:15 PM
thanks for the thread


A pleasure Lee. Just wait till my mate gets his museum up and running, a long term goal of his which I think will happen within the year!

paladin
04-17-2007, 08:00 PM
My personal favorite bike......:D
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/pb742b6b3eafe3deb650613c074e5d284/e9de0499.jpg

The Bigfella
04-17-2007, 08:14 PM
I'm a fan of the Squaffer too Chuck - but would take the later four pipe version to get around the overheating problem. I saw one of each yesterday.

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
04-17-2007, 09:53 PM
Agreed - I keep looking at modern bikes and thinking:

1. I don't need 120 bhp.
2. Look at all that fragile expensive plastic
3. Damn his eyes - a chain
4.(BMW) Oh good - a shaft - now tell me why it needs four pivot axes.
5.(Triumph) - And the Centre-stand's an optional accessory!

Regarding 4, they do the multiple links for anti-squat and anti-lift on the rear suspension, and anti-dive on the front (the front setup is actually a longitudinal McPherson strut). I'm not a biker yet, so I don't know how necessary these innovations are, but that's why they do it.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
04-18-2007, 02:45 AM
4.(BMW) Oh good - a shaft - now tell me why it needs four pivot axes.

Regarding 4, they do the multiple links for anti-squat and anti-lift on the rear suspension, .... I'm not a biker yet, so I don't know how necessary these innovations are, but that's why they do it.

I suspect that the real reason is to convince people to part with money.
Having put over one hundred thousand miles on the previous version of the shaft drive rear end - there was no real problem.
Give us back the remote resevoir front brake.

I am willing to allow that the new front end may be an improvement.

Add lightness and simplify

The Bigfella
04-18-2007, 04:11 AM
My first experience with a BMW front end was ...... interesting. I bought my R90S from a BMW dealer and one would reasonably expect that it would be OK - but when I gave it a bit of a rev that night, I got a massive wobble up at 200kph - not pretty when it meant the bike was wobbling all over two lanes of traffic - one of which was going the other way. It turned out (after I got the bike under control and did some investigations) that it had a leaking front tyre - which was down to 12psi, bent forks and bad steering head bearings. Thanks very much Mr Dealer.

PeterSibley
04-18-2007, 05:07 AM
Ian ...I rode the same bike ,but it had developed a shot swing arm by the time I got to it .........160 km , not nice at all .

martin schulz
04-18-2007, 06:12 AM
Yes Münch Mammut.
One can easily tell, because apart from the NSU engine the Münch Mammut also had the NSU Prinz headlights.

http://www.laubach-online.de/motorrad/assets/images/mammutAlt.jpg

The "new" one with the turbo-engine

http://www.mmt.com.pl/st/img/mammut_01.jpg

The Bigfella
04-18-2007, 06:29 AM
Ian ...I rode the same bike ,but it had developed a shot swing arm by the time I got to it .........160 km , not nice at all .


There must be two - mine is still in the basement

PeterSibley
04-18-2007, 03:54 PM
We sure didn't keep this one !

paladin
04-18-2007, 04:22 PM
anyone ever ride one of these........circa left over in Vietnam?
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p3c852ebb65a76cd7f1aabb69b5ab059a/e9dadd1d.jpg

The Bigfella
04-18-2007, 07:14 PM
Bit of a crappy photo there Chuck. What is it? Looks a bit like a Jawa

paladin
04-18-2007, 07:37 PM
TWN....Triumph Werke Nurnberg.....1955 model

The Bigfella
04-18-2007, 07:40 PM
In that bottom left shot it looks like a two stroke - but the right hand side shots show plenty of stuff under the side covers.

So - no one got the first bike in post #17 eh?