Dumbest human beings ever in the history of the world.

[PatCox]

Would be the school officials and police department of the city of Avon Park, Florida, where a 6-year old kidergartner threw a tantrum in class, and, as 6-year olds will, hit and kicked out at the people around her. The school called police, and the police came and arrested and cuffed the kid and took her to jail, and charged her with a felony and two misdemeanors, one of them being "resisting arrest" by crawling under a desk.

I do wonder if this is the treatment they give white kids as well.

[glenallen]

Can't be too careful with "terrorists" under every rock, Pat.
How do we know she was not a suicide bomber posing as a six year old little girl? Hmmmmm

[Paul Pless]

What?! no video???

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Off to Gitmo with her!!!

[Phillip Allen]

give us a link...

[Osborne Russell]

Many parents these days are dirt bags and their children are too. Could be the school found school discipline ineffective and are laying a solid foundation for expulsion.

That would put the ball in the parents' court now, where it belongs. No more excuses.

Or the school adminstrators could be incredibly stupid.

[StevenBauer]

I thought this would be another Bush administration thread. :D

Steven

[Phillip Allen]

no doubt it IS his fault

[Concordia...41]

A. You have to do worse than that to get the crown for the dumbest human beings ever in the history of the world.

B. I Googled "Avon Park" + tantrum + police and get multiple hits all basically quoting the same report and all from ... well... I hate to say left wing sources, so we'll just call them "less than mainstream" (look at second html ;) ): :D

www.rawstory.com
www.myleftwing.com
www.fetchmyaxe.blogspot.com
www.guerillawomentn.blogspot.com
www.vegieboards.com

C. If there's any truth to the story, it'll be the best thing that ever happened to the little screamer. Like the Rutgers gals, watch for her (and her suitably outraged parents) on Oprah. Coming soon.... ;)

[ljb5]

If there's any truth to the story...

If?

Would you like to see the police report?

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/2137821/2156517/2161916/2164003/juvenile-delinquent.jpg

WFTV (http://www.wftv.com/news/11455199/detail.html) looks like a fairly mainstream news source.

So does Bay News 9 (http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2007/3/30/235384.html)

Not to mention WPEC News 12 (http://www.news12now.com/onset?id=4702272&template=article.html)

It's tough to imagine anything more "mainstream" than a local CBS station.

Real nice research there, Concordia.... first, you fail to find it on local news, then you screw up the links you do post --- then you blame the left-wingers.

[Phillip Allen]

no need to attack anyone ill-jay (you're being a jerk...stop it!)...as to the report, too small print for me to read...

[Concordia...41]

If?

Would you like to see the police report?

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/2137821/2156517/2161916/2164003/juvenile-delinquent.jpg

WFTV (http://www.wftv.com/news/11455199/detail.html) looks like a fairly mainstream news source.

So does Bay News 9 (http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2007/3/30/235384.html)

Not to mention WPEC News 12 (http://www.news12now.com/onset?id=4702272&template=article.html)

It's tough to imagine anything more "mainstream" than a local CBS station.

Real nice research there, Concordia.... first, you fail to find it on local news, then you screw up the links you do post --- then you blame the left-wingers.


So tell me what you Googled vs my search terms, and tell me why you have to be so patronizing and mean.

I just clicked on all the links in my post and you are right, two are not functioning. I will post the direct links in a moment, but all of which can be clicked on to the direct stories via Googling the same search terms.

[Phillip Allen]

He can't help himself. He is the victim of parental mal-practice

[ljb5]

So tell me what you Googled vs my search terms.

I googled a couple of different combinations of terms... Avon Park, Police, School, Tantrum, Desre'e Watson... etc.

Did you just try one combination of search terms?


and tell me why you have to be so patronizing and mean.

Tell me why you tried to imply that it wasn't true and was just a fiction created by left-wingers. Why don't you ask Phillip why he says the stuff he says?

I care about being correct, thorough and accurate. I won't apologize for that.

[Concordia...41]

Full, complete, and double-checked links:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Florida_police_chief_Do_you_think_0409.html


http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=15800


http://fetchmemyaxe.blogspot.com/search/label/just%20plain%20evil [Note: Scroll past Dick Cheney story and profanity]


http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2007/04/6-year-olds-under-arrest.html

http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=69738

All links active and working as of 7:26 pm this date.

- M

[CGrant]

Would be the school officials and police department of the city of Avon Park, Florida, where a 6-year old kidergartner threw a tantrum in class, and, as 6-year olds will, hit and kicked out at the people around her. The school called police, and the police came and arrested and cuffed the kid and took her to jail, and charged her with a felony and two misdemeanors, one of them being "resisting arrest" by crawling under a desk.

I do wonder if this is the treatment they give white kids as well.
You really are laughable.

[Memphis Mike]

I think you all are missing the point.

"I do wonder if this is the treatment they give white kids as well."


Pat Cox is trying to insinuate that we only treat black children this way here in the South.

[ljb5]

Okay, so now that we know that it actually happened -- and that it was covered by the mainstream media and it was covered by some left-wing blogs....


...I'm trying to figure out why the right-wing blogs seem uninterested.

[Concordia...41]

Okay, so now that we know that it actually happened -- and that it was covered by the mainstream media and it was covered by some left-wing blogs....


...I'm trying to figure out why the right-wing blogs seem uninterested.


Maybe because we've had 6-year olds that acted like 3-year olds and needed discipline [edited from needed their butts beat].

No, I don't think any child should be traumatized AND I agree that this seems extreme in the context it is portrayed, but I also don't think that any single child should be allowed to disrupt the learning of multiple children.

[mister_moon]

I think you all are missing the point.

"I do wonder if this is the treatment they give white kids as well."


Pat Cox is trying to insinuate that we only treat black children this way here in the South.

Yeah, I got it. But Pat has always had quite a chip on his shoulder where the south is concerned. I've stopped letting it bother me. It's his problem, not mine.

Edited to add: There are several good websites detailing zero tolerance abuses and examples (like this one) of school administrators failing to do their job. Try http://www.ztnightmares.com.

This is not a right-left issue, either.

[TimH]

Nothing wrong with getting used to the process early.

[Mrleft8]

Nice of you to post the girl's address too....... Let's hope some freakish pedophile doesn't decide to "punish" her in his own way...

[pipefitter]

LOL. Have any of you ever been to Avon Park? It is the epitome of a Jerry Springer's South. Or atleast it was. I thought this story was old news. If not it's another of a similar case. I can't believe that it seems so far fetched or outrageous. What would have happened if the child had gotten a bruise or hurt while being restrained? The police have to follow so closely to protocol for record sake so that the charges can't be reversed or atleast to have a proper name to attach to the child's behavior. The only mistake was not locking the parents up with the child as accessories before and after the fact. Oh wait,you can't punish your child for such bad manners and behavior anymore or you'll get carted off yourself. Good on them for putting such a brat behind bars. Condition them now so that when this same behavior leads them there later on in life. If I was the rest of the students in the class parents,I would be glad they reacted as they did before my own child got hurt.

Nice troll Mr. Cox .

[johnw]

My business partner was expelled from kindergarten. They didn't have to call the cops to do it, though.

So, would this not be a story if it happened in the North? By the way, when I saw the stories on line, none of the sources I read said the girl was black. I don't think that's what makes it a story.

[pipefitter]

Yeah, I got it. But Pat has always had quite a chip on his shoulder where the south is concerned. I've stopped letting it bother me. It's his problem, not mine.

Edited to add: There are several good websites detailing zero tolerance abuses and examples (like this one) of school administrators failing to do their job. Try http://www.ztnightmares.com.

This is not a right-left issue, either.

The North/South deal is so antiquated now. 75% of the population is from up North. It is far and few between that you hear of someone with more than a half generation worth of roots here. I was just in NJ for 5 days and I saw alot of Florida license plates.

[geeman]

During the tourist season here in Tenn ,we see every plate from up north you can think of.Plates from further South too of course,but the large number of Northern plates from people who obviously LOVE us here in the South,stand out.
You ever been here Pat? lol

[brad9798]

May all that participated lose their jobs with regard to her arrest ... now, that being said, anyone named Deser're should be in jail! ;)

[PatCox]

I happen to have a child with aspergers and ADHD, and its no easy row to hoe. Anger outbursts are a symptom, really uncontrollable anger outbursts. I live in fear he will have one in school, he hasn't so far. I am glad that because I am educated and white and have access to health care, he has been diagnosed. It has nothing to do with north and south, oh yea of guilty conscious who feel that any mention of the existence of racial prejudice is an attack on the south. It has to do with idiots, pure and simple. Idiots, who feel that charging a 6 year old with resisting arrest for hiding under a desk is appropriate, as opposed to maybe calling in child services and medical professionals, who can investigate the child's medical condition, as well as the parents and the home life, before deciding that a 6 year old is a criminal.

Idiots, complete, utter idiots, just as dumb as the person here who suggested that the parents should be arrested too, with no evidence, no knowledge, just talking out their ass their vindictive prejudices.

[PatCox]

All y'all really do want to live in a totalitarian police state, don't you? You just love authority and heavy-handed punishment. Servile goose-steppers.

[Phillip Allen]

Pat...most people on the world are servile goose steppers...but they don't know it

I've always heard the New Jersy is the land where if there is not a law on the books specifically allowing an action then it is ILLEGAL!

[PatCox]

Phillip.I just cannot understand that anyone would react to this with anything but horror. Kindergarten teachers who cannot deal with a tantrum are not fit to be teachers. Cops who would handcuff a 6 year old are morons. Morons plain and simple. People who would cheer it on are either ignorant and don't know what kids are like, or mean spirited and nasty, or just fascists who support authority and punishment out of knee jerk desire to see punishment because it makes them feel superior.

[Phillip Allen]

Okay Pat...here goes: It does seem over the top but I didn't read the stuff yet and wasn't there so I allow that I may be missing something. I further think public education has a cancer called Political Correctness which is eating our children and contributing to trainning them all to be servile goose steppers...and many other things into the bargan.

remembering most if not all the framers of our constitution had "teachers" who would not be allowed to teach today because they weren't "experts".

[PatCox]

Funny story, Phillip, my ex-brother in law was a New Jersey State Trooper. The NJ Troopers were the first paramilitary style police force in the US. Known for being over the top, like marines. he was too over-the-top. He was the first NJ State Trooper kicked off the force for brutality. His family were all on the job, too, his brother wound up "Commandant" of the police academy (nice nazi term) and head of the first swat team in NJ.

Fast forward 20 years, he comes along on a trip to France with me and a bunch of family members. We rented canal boats and cruised along the canal du midi, down to the mediterranean, to Sete. Along the way, he learned that its legal to stop and tie your boat up anywhere along the water, noone can prevent you from tying up along shore. We pulled into a little town, in the little port, and tied up to the only open space, we poured wine and stood along the quay watching the sun set, when the police boat returned to their dock, which we had tied up to. They were very friendly and helped us find another space to tie up. They could care less we were walking the street with glasses of wine, thats legal their.

He turned to me and said "if this was New Jersey, they'd have us face down on the pavement. We only think we are free at home, people are really free here."

[Phillip Allen]

Pat, I figured out some time ago that the police are generally municipal thugs...sure there must be nice guys there but they serve at the convience of city government and are there solely to enforce the local government's will on the citizens. They stop bad drivers because it serves the government not because they want to keep citizens safe.

[PatCox]

No, few3, the mental disorder is called the "authoritarian personality." You just march along and do and think what you are told and you'll be happy. Some people are like that, just like dogs, which are much happier when they know just who is boss, as opposed to the disorienting feeling of having to decide for yourself.

Its not race baiting for me to see a situation I could easily be in myself, and to realize that if I were poor and black and didn't have the advantages I have, my child could be in jail at 6 years old.

Shame on you who cheer on this travesty.

[High C]

...They could care less we were walking the street with glasses of wine, thats legal their....

It's legal heir, too. (in N'Awlins, that is)

[Phil Heffernan]

Pat...most people on the world are servile goose steppers...but they don't know it

That's the dumbest thing I ever heard you say Phil...And coming from you, I am truly surprised...

PH

[PatCox]

Phil, we are herd animals. I was just following orders, as they say. Phillip admitted one of the fundamental truths there. As Homer simpson said, one of the three rules of the code of the schoolyard is "never say anything unless you are absolutely certain that everyone else feels exactly the same way you do." The only interesting thing about this here internet is we hear people say things everyone in close proximity to them agrees with, but because this internet mixes people from different communitiesm, they encounter different ideas.

You cannot underestimate the servility of the great mass of men.

[Phil Heffernan]

You cannot underestimate the servility of the great mass of men.

I aint buyin it...Except that the empirical evidence may prove you right.

Where are the gronicles of this era?

I reccomend looking at Iaccocas new book..

http://www.amazon.com/Where-Have-All-Leaders-Gone/dp/1416532471

[PatCox]

Phil, I loved reading what Iacoca wrote, but you have to admit, its enjoyable to see because it confirms that our opposition is actually conformism. That we are actually marching in step with others, even if not in step with everyone. We all like to know we are among a group of like minded people.

[Phil Heffernan]

Phil, I loved reading what Iacoca wrote, but you have to admit, its enjoyable to see because it confirms that our opposition is actually conformism. That we are actually marching in step with others, even if not in step with everyone. We all like to know we are among a group of like minded people.

I never considered L.I. 'like minded people'...Nor have i been "marching in step with others, even if not in step with everyone"...

I am, though, always happy to see people get it....Reality is more complex than we thought...

PH

[Paul G.]

You Americans are nuts. Arresting a 6 year old for having a tanty in class. Perhaps ya should have shot her a few times to make sure she didnt resist.

in the words of McEnroe "you cant be serious"

[Tylerdurden]

I don't know how most Americans are not ashamed. I can't stand it.
What the hell is wrong with us?
The idiots will keep waving the flag all the way to the camps but I am ashamed of what we have become.
Slaves, with slave mentality's.

[Paul Pless]

6 y.o. - handcuffs????????????????????????????????


Lucky they didn't pepperspray her.

[Phillip Allen]

Sitting here thinking about this, she did the right thing in not accepting strangers who were trying to catch her...it's what we all teach our children...

"Today's lesson, children, is to always submit to anyone in uniform"

[Rick Starr]

I can't help but wonder how much better off various minorities would be without the opportunistic condescension of people like Pat who parasitize the double standards in "political correctness".

Not to blame him; I don't think it's deliberate but rather an overdeveloped sense of 'there-but-for-the-grace-of-god-go-I' . I used to suffer from that sort of thing on occasion. It's an unhealthy attitude to have, both for yourself and for the unintended victims of your crusade. You're using other peoples problems, often out of context, to feel better about yourself and to align your own moral bearings.

If it's all about blacks for you, then respect them enough to see them in their context, not yours, and spare them the humiliation of being used by you as a bludgeon on everyone around you.

[TomF]

And no other parent on the forum's had a child throw a tantrum in public?

A grade 1 child has a severe tantrum, and folks think it's appropriate to call the police, cuff them, and charge them with two felonies?

Anyone ask why the behaviour might be occurring? Fully 8% of the population - child and adult - doesn't metabolize dopamine in the brain the way the rest of the population does. That brain chemistry quirk produces ADD/ADHD, just like a similar brain chemistry quirk with seratonin produces depression. Or excess testosterone produces "'roid rage."

Ask a suicidal depressive if they can "manage" their brain chemistry simply through willpower and positive thinking.

This isn't me just blowing smoke ... the differences in dopamine uptake between ADD and other folks are visible on PET scans.

While I'm very willing to believe that there are a bunch of factors that contribute to this kid's behaviour, laying criminal charges for a six year old throwing a big tantrum is as rational as laying criminal charges for her not being able to complete grade 10 math work.

t

[brad9798]

GOOD POINT TOMF-

As the 'owner' of a 3, 5, and 10 year-old, life can be a circus ... I should say they own me and their mother ... that is more accurate.

Anyway, kids have fits ... always have and always will ... regardless of parenting (good OR bad) they will lose control sometimes and make a scene.

It doesn't embarass me at all to discipline them in a store or wherever. But boy do I get some glares from 'holier than thou' folks ... of course I glare right back.

With all three kids, we tend to go to louder, kid-friendly places ... not to drift off subject here, but it bugs the hell out of me when we are, say, in the play area of McDonald's ... or a pizza parlor ... and the table next to me is acting all put out because the kids are having a good ...

I told a woman at McD's once to go to a nicer restaurant if she wanted ambience ...

[TomF]

... It doesn't embarass me at all to discipline them in a store or wherever. But boy do I get some glares from 'holier than thou' folks ... of course I glare right back...Got vivid memories of one of my brood throwing a whale of a tantrum at a mall one day, when he was maybe 4.

The looks a man receives from passersby and security staff when he picks up a kid and hustles towards a car can be quite entertaining. Especially if said small child is shrieking "help help" at the top of his lungs.:D

[Keith Wilson]

You Americans are nuts. Arresting a 6 year old for having a tanty in class. Not all of us. You will note that the thread, started by an American, is titled "Dumbest human beings ever in the history of the world". It's an accurate title.

Kids have tantrums, some more than others, but if one didn't lose it occasionally, I'd start to worry. Mine did, yours did, they all do. Reacting to it like it was something done by an 18-year-old is unbelievably stupid - at best.

[BrianY]

Judging from the police report, it appears that the girl was completely out of control, unable to calm down and was a real danger to herself and others. Under those circumstances, it seems reasonable - unfortunate but reasonable - to me that the cop handcuffed her. Think "protective custody".

I do not, however, think that it is appropriate for her to be charged with anything. In fact, I think it's effing outrageous and the cops should have their collective heads slapped for being so stupid. "Resisting arrest"?! That assumes that the six year old knew that she was supposed to submit to the authority of the police officer and that by hiding under a table, she was violating the law. That's pretty advanced reasoning for a six year old, especialy when she's in obvious mental and emotional turmoil.

Blind adherence to the technicalities of the law without consideration of the circumstances is not justice. It's tyranny.

[Osborne Russell]

It's usually better for the police to have a charge to justify the custody. Doesn't mean the prosecutor has to prosecute. And if he does, he must take politics into account or be judged a failure, subject to termination without warning.

[Keith Wilson]

It's a rare six-year-old that is any danger to a police officer. :rolleyes: Just do what I did with my kids - pick 'em up and carry them off kicking and screaming to somewhere quiet, then wait until the fit passes. They're little; they can't keep up a tantrum that long.

[TimH]

Now days the 6-year olds are shooting each other.

[PatCox]

Just exercising their right to keep and bear arms, which shall not be abridged.

[Keith Wilson]

Now days the 6-year olds are shooting each other.No they're not.

[ishmael]

Ya know, I'm not a parent. I'd really like to hear opinions about this from those who are.

When I passed through K-6 there were problem kids, but never anything like what would require calling the police! Mr. Seabrook, the principle, simply didn't put up with this kinda crap, and the teachers, kids and parents all knew it. Yes, for the older grades he had a paddle. There was no ADHD, at least not diagnosed.

I'm not harking back to the good old days, and I don't think where I went to school was particularly exceptional. I'm just curious what has happened to basic respect and decent behavior in the classroom.

P.S. FWIW, there are preliminary studies linking some common food additives to disruptive behavior. Coupling that with over stressed parents working two jobs might be a partial answer.

[Kaa]

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1442/use_condoms/

:D

Kaa

[Keith Wilson]

I'm just curious what has happened to basic respect and decent behavior in the classroom.Most of the time it's still there,at least in the schools I've had anything to do with personally. I do remember a case or two of kids having a tantrum when I was in kindergarten; they didn't call the police. Beware creeping fogeyism, Jack! Older people have been saying the world is going to hell since Australopithecus. They're usually wrong.

That's a really funny ad. :D I'm sure every parent has occasionally wished they had used a condom - or in my case, seriously questioned the wisdom of filling out mountains of forms and paying a bunch of money for the privilege of forcibly removing a flailing and shrieking toddler from a restaurant.

[pipefitter]

When you sign your child up for school,it is clearly outlined that behavioral problems cannot be tolerated. If a child has such special behavioral conditions, or may snap at any given time,special schooling options might be a consideration for the safety of the child or the other students. The charges are bogus but the police have to have a reason to take ANYone into custody. The police here don't make things up like this for fun but it is obvious by the replies and outrage on this thread as to why such protocol has to be followed.I am sure the officers involved felt rediculous but obviously,the child had to be removed and a "time out" in the principals office was not an option. You never even considered that it may have been much more extreme than what the media coverage focused on. So what would you have done? Waited the child out while all the other children watched on? I bet many of the children in that class had never been subjected to such a tantrum and were most probably disturbed. Regardless of a child's special needs or condition,it's not mine or my childrens responsibility to have to deal with the condition or the disruption. If my child had such issues,I would have to consider placing them in an environment better suited for such that knows how to deal with these issues for their own safety as well as others. I highly doubt that the officers in question were out to make an example of the child but had no other recourse in an obvious stalemate. I work with LEOs often enough,most of whom are parents themselves and in no way do they direct their so called dysfunctions at children. "Dumbest human beings ever in the history of the world", taken from a media source coverage and focus without even knowing what the situation was most probably like in reality or having been in such a situation yourself.

[Katherine]

If I had behaved like such a brat in school, I would have wished for them to call the cops. My parents would have tanned my hide. My parents always maintained the rule that if we got in trouble at school, we'd be in even more trouble when we got home.

[Mrleft8]

I wonder if my 5th grade teacher moved to florida and got a job with that school......

[brad9798]

EXACTLY ... Kat ...

I would rather have the police than my parents if I behaved like that! :eek:

[PatCox]

Maybe we should do away with teachers and have them taught by police? Shoot to kill for talking in class.

Kiss the boot on your neck, authority worshippers.

[Tristan]

Without reading all the posts, there is at least one reason why the cops were called. In this day and age if a teacher tries to physically restrain a student they open themselves and the school system up to potential lawsuits big time. Back when I was a kid a teacher would have snatched that little brat baldheaded. I got my ass whipped one time and got thumped on the head with rulers a couple times. Do that sh-t today and you get your own ass arrested! Not in any way condoning calling the cops, just stating a fact!

[PatCox]

Yes you are right, Tristan, out of control lawsuits against schools have turned administrators into lawyers, half of all they do is prompted by fear of lawsuits. Its a damn shame.

When's the last time you saw a teeter-totter?

[Tylerdurden]

Maybe we should do away with teachers and have them taught by police? Shoot to kill for talking in class.

Kiss the boot on your neck, authority worshippers.

AMEN!

"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquillity of servitude more than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams (American Revolutionary Leader), "American Independence," 1 August 1776 (http://www.solami.com/adams.html)*

[George Roberts]

I suspect any parents treating their children to handcuffs and whatever arrest entails would be prosecuted.

I would not tolerate that behavior from a school or the police.

[Paul G.]

creeping totalitarianism in the guise of law and order. pipefitters comments suggest that armed policemen arresting and handcuffing a 6 year old for a trip downtown is somehow justifiable, is a sad reflection of the permanent state of fear most of you live in.

Saddam was going to invade you, Global warming is going to get you the terrists are hiding everywhere.

Clearly what you need are armed "classroom marshals" in black uniforms with shiny insignia and authority to shoot at will.

[pipefitter]

Had nothing to do with totalitarianism.Was the child hurt? The child wasn't looking at the teacher funny or shooting spitballs at the classmates.The child was obviously going off the deep end. The handcuffs were to protect the child and the teachers,classmates and the officers who are not allowed to defend themselves even if from a kick in the shins. The one's who are crying about these issues are the paranoid ones. If my child had acted out this way,I wouldn't have blamed them a bit. Too many times,this behavior is condoned by the parents and is most likely the root of the problem. ADD my adze. Should be called PADD. Parental Attention Deficit Disorder.

[Paul G.]

As I said creeping totalitarianism, tell me pipefitter where do you draw the line? The downward spiral abdicating responsibility until it reaches exactly what level? Get your kids cuffed and printed for not obeying your orders, commands and then wishes?

Wake up!

[Paul G.]

It all makes perfect sense until one stands back and has a real good look at what is going on.

[SamSam]

Kicking, screaming, tantrum = Danger to self and others.

At which point the school could send all of the other students home for the day and let little miss "give me, buy me, take me, I wanna" have full run of the school.

Or, the teachers could tried to restrain the girl, can someone give me an Al Sharpton Amen/ You assaulted that child and I am going to sue your district and each teacher individually.

Or the teachers could call the police. The police arrive, and the girll assaults them. There is a good chance the girls suffered some scrapes and bruises in the process. Therefore, if the cops do not file the assault officially, those bruised and scraped knuckles of little miss' must have happened by police brutallity.

Liberalism is trully a mental disorder, and your run to defend this little s@%&head and fault the authority figures is the one of the reasons you can go watch a video of 12 year olds F!@%&*)g in a classroom.

Great "race baiting" Pat. I suppose you still think those racist, raping, white boys from DUKE should still be convicted.

I agree with Phew. They should have tasered that nappy headed ho.

[glenallen]

If I had behaved like such a brat in school, I would have wished for them to call the cops. My parents would have tanned my hide. My parents always maintained the rule that if we got in trouble at school, we'd be in even more trouble when we got home.

But you were a rational child, Katherine.
We assume this little girl was making sane decisions, but perhaps she was not.
As a grown man and ex-policeman, I think I could subdue and calm a six year old kid without handcuffs.
You assume that everyone is as sane as you are.
It ain't so!

[glenallen]

I agree with Phew. They should have tasered that nappy headed ho.

Damn, Sam!
I know you don't mean that!

[pcford]

few3 wrote:
Liberalism is trully a mental disorder, and your run to defend this little s@%&head and fault the authority figures is the one of the reasons you can go watch a video of 12 year olds F!@%&*)g in a classroom.

You know, the other day I was thinking what good could come out of the Bush II presidency. The law of unintended consequences and all that.

This is what I came up with: Bush has done such a miserable job that it is likely that the brainless extreme right that put him in power will not have another opportunity for at least a generation.

The Bush administration has been a terrible aberation for this country. few3, you can go crawl underneath your rock again for a few decades.

[glenallen]

Few3,
some of us do not consider our own interests when we are charged with the interests of others, particularly six year old children.
We just plunge into the fray with abandon and take care of that kid.
F,,,,,k everybody else!
Stick a camera in my face and I'll shove it down your throat!
White, Black, Brown, Yellow, is all illusion that means nothing to me, but means much to you.
You don't get it, but I do!
You don't care, but I do.
You're not willing to put your life in jeopardy for somebody else, but I am.
You need to take a long look at yourself and see if you really measure up to your own ideals before you tell sombody like me that I'm screwed up. You may see that I'm a mirror image of your ideal.
At least that's what I've tried to do with my life, be the man that most folks wished they had the guts to be.
Guys like me have to be here or guys like you would have perished a thousand years ago.

[pipefitter]

As I said creeping totalitarianism, tell me pipefitter where do you draw the line? The downward spiral abdicating responsibility until it reaches exactly what level? Get your kids cuffed and printed for not obeying your orders, commands and then wishes?

Wake up!

I draw the line at my doorstep. Here I have been so careful to have to teach my children how not to be reactionary to abuse by others,who's parents who don't teach theirs the same,when I really want to tell them when such a brat can't control themselves that they become a potential harm to them, to defend themselves as I did in my own school years. In most cases it is the parents fault. I also was well aware of my childrens faults,behavioral habits and temperment before I unleashed them on society for everyone else to deal with. I have gotten calls from the schools before regarding my kids behavior. First instinct being to side with my child but common sense telling me what the real issue was. 99% of the time,the authorities at the school were correct.

At first read and as a parent with many years of experience under my belt,common sense tells me that if my child was to throw such a fit to where the authorities had to be called in the first place,I would be apologizing to the authorities for having to be subjected to such a decision or that my lack of consideration of others for my child even being known to have temper tantrums like this child was obviously capable of. These parents know all about it but in pointing the extreme finger in blame to the authorities,somehow cleans the egg from their own faces. Surely it can't be their own fault. My children had better manners than that in preschool which was instilled at home with much time spent.

It is known these days that behavioral problems are not tolerated in the public school system. If your child has an anger management problem,you are taking a chance unleashing them on the public. There is some truly rotten kids. I recently heard of local incident where a 6 year old punched a teacher in the pants and told him,"you don't know who you are f'ng with". Cute,huh? Wonder where he learned that?

Also,my 14 yr old recently got jumped when he got off of the bus. I had the police officer at the school call me to report the incident. Luckily,the other kid involved admitted to starting it and the officer was sure to nip the situation in the bud before it became serious. The other child's father's first remark to the officer was that he intended to sue before even knowing his child admitted to the offense. It's a tough road sending kids to school these days and I can appreciate needing the law presence. It's our own doings that have made it so.

Creeping totalitarianism??? I find my rights much more infringed upon by my neighbors and people trying to force their beliefs and will down my throat much more of a concern than anything the law has ever done to me. I spend more time trying to protect myself from them and this activist mentality that abounds around every corner.

[ahp]

How things have changed. About 1910 my Mom was teaching in a one room school in Illinois. During morning recess some of the boys locked some of the girls in the girl's outhouse. Mom punished them. I don't know with what. The kids went home for lunch. In midafternoon the fathers of the boys appeared at school and asked my Mom if they could borrow their sons for a few minutes.

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

Stop, stop stop. All this to and froe and up and down will not help you hit the target.
This was all about preserving the teachers and the school system from any potential law suites. If anyone in the school had layed hands on the kid they would have had need of legal council in short order.
Best way out, call the cops. Cops have a standard procedure for most eventualities. If the parent tries to claim any trauma the cops can whip out their manual of procedures, the report of their action, the report of the juvenal authorites that cared for the kid etc., etc. A shark would have to be a flagellist to try and break the testimony of all the people involved.
So forget about days of yore. It's a different ballgame today. If you look into what your local school system has to do to expell a kid who is a really bad actor you will be quite surprised at how extensive the procedure is and how often parents refuse to submit to the inevitable and drag the school into court.
The moral of this story is, there ain't no moral. The folks that run schools know they had better dot every I and cross every T or they will get their brains sued out. They know when they are faced with a disruptive kid the best thing to have is plenty of witnesses. Witnesses who know how to keep their story straight, like cops.
Dumb huh? The people who had to deal with that kid may have gotten their brains beat out in the media but, unless someone screwed up, they don't have to worry about their careers going down the toilet.

[SamSam]

Damn, Sam!
I know you don't mean that!

No, I didn't. It was my first attempt at sarcasm, I'll have to work on it some more I think.

[glenallen]

LOL !
That's what I figured!

[skuthorp]

And this too................
http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=64073
Sad, Sad. No sense of proportion or tolerance or grace in any of it, think I'll go back to the boat.

[glenallen]

That is what these cops did. They didn't think about what liberal rags and internet forums would say about them. But here they are, getting lambasted for doing what they had to do.



I am going to dismiss your wretched insinuation that I am racist. I understand you're upset at my post, and aren't being rational. If you knew me, you wouldn't say that.



You don't know me



In your career as a cop, you may have been in that position. If you never were, You don't have a damn thing to say about it. When I was a lifeguard, even the littlest save could have put me in jeopardy, but it was part of the job.

Only at that very moment, that instant, does anybody trully know if they would be willing to put their life in jeopardy for someone else. To say it is one thing, but only at the moment do you realise it.




I do, but I try to be better every day



When did I say that?



Maybe, quite possibly, but the racist suggestion is a pretty solid road block for me.



That is BS, or rather, your view (you're quite humble)
But out of respect for my elders, I will grant you that.

I'm glad you posted this, Few!
It gives me a better understanding of you. Sometimes I miss the nuances and skip right to the attack. I apologize for that.

Funny, I was a lifeguard too, at 17, 18, and 19.
Regards, Glen