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seanz
04-10-2007, 08:31 PM
WX just mentioned Not In My Back Yard on the nuclear power thread.Fairy Nuff,nasty stuff glow in the dark for 1/4 million years etc.....
It's also applies to wind power ( the NIMBY not the glow)
So how do we get alternative forms of energy up and running if we keep getting reports like this?

Blow for Meridian wind farm project
By Diane Brown Wednesday, 11th April 2007
The huge Project Hayes wind farm would be visible from many parts of Central Otago and should be turned down, a major planning report says.

The report was released yesterday by the Central Otago District Council, which received 1062 submissions on Meridian Energy’s plan to build New Zealand’s biggest wind farm on the Lammermoor Range. Just over half the submissions support the project.

In his 186-page report, planning consultant David Whitney recommends the Project Hayes application be refused, citing the significant effects the wind farm would have on the environment, and in particular, the visual impact from many different locations.

Meridian wants to install up to 176 wind turbines with a generation capacity of 630MW. The planned turbines are 160m high and the wind farm site covers 92sq km.

The Central Otago Transitional District Plan makes no provision for the project but it could be considered a discretionary activity under the proposed district plan.

Mr Whitney’s report said the turbines would be visible from many places and would have a “significant adverse effect”.

He questioned why such a large group of turbines was necessary, asking why they could not be established in small, scattered groups.

The report said the wind farm would clearly be visible to users of Te Papanui Conservation Park, with the closest turbine just 4km away from the park.

Heritage and landscape values on Old Dunstan Rd would also be significantly affected, the report says.

The potential for ecosystems to be damaged by fine-sediment run-off from the large area of soil exposed during the construction period was also raised.

An ecological assessment said removal of vegetation for the project, which would result in a loss of habitat for fauna, is a real threat.

Mr Whitney said noise from the wind farm’s transmission site would be a significant adverse effect, but traffic effects could be mitigated.

Aviation requirements would mean up to 36 turbines would display red lights flashing between 20 and 60 times per minute.

A submission from the Ministry for the Environment, lodged on behalf of the Crown, covered several positive effects, including the fact that wind was a viable energy source and the development of the wind farm would ensure supply through providing additional generating capacity and diversification.

Wind power was also seen to be an environmentally responsible energy source.

In his report, Mr Whitney listed 79 conditions that should be applied should the hearings panel decide not to accept his recommendation to refuse consent.

They included painting the turbine blades in low reflectivity paint, opening and maintaining a complaints register and strict noise conditions.

The conditions would include upgrading the Ida Valley-Omakau road and installing stopping bays on SH87 to minimise traffic disruption on SH87 between Outram and Clarks Junction.

Joint hearings for the wind farm project applications to the Central Otago District Council and the Otago Regional Council begin in Alexandra on April 30 and will run for three consecutive weeks, from Monday to Thursday each week, with possibly extension into following weeks if needed. •

from the ODT:http://www.odt.co.nz/article.php?refid=2007,04,11,1,00100,166af270dd789 bd205933fb9dff080fd&sect=0

Thoughts?

Phillip Allen
04-10-2007, 08:34 PM
has there been a study on the effects of the low ambient noise in large cities on their populations?

seanz
04-10-2007, 08:57 PM
has there been a study on the effects of the low ambient noise in large cities on their populations?

Yep,lots:
http://www.google.co.nz/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-23,GGLG:en&q=study+on+the+effects+of+the+low+ambient+noise+in +large+cities+on+their+populations
:D
The test site for wind power here has a vocal campaign against it for the noise problem.

Vince Brennan
04-10-2007, 09:13 PM
If we global warmers are right, in thirty years Mr. Whitney's complaint about appearance will seem either silly beyond belief or ulteriorly motivated.

But... I'm not in New Zealand and have no pulse of the popular opinion on the subject... it may be that that's the prevailing emotion on the subject... still seems a bit short-sighted to me, but....

WX
04-10-2007, 10:04 PM
People don't like having their view spoilt :D

LeeG
04-10-2007, 10:14 PM
I grew up with refineries on the horizon. I never thought they spoiled the view. Pretty flames in the distance, flickering lights, islands of flame and activity. I liked it.

WX
04-10-2007, 11:06 PM
Ah yes but in this country, we might brag about big wide sunburnt lands but when you get down to it, most of us want to look at the ocean (we turn our backs to the land) and that's where most windfarms are located....on the hills overlooking the ocean.

Ron Williamson
04-11-2007, 05:08 AM
Locally there are several groups opposed to wind turbines.
They claim bird strikes,ice throw, shadow flicker,low Hz noise, and residential danger(something could fall off and hit you).
What they won't say is that they don't like the look of them in the high dollar neighbourhoods,or that they are in the nuclear industry.
They also don't seem to notice cell and radio towers or the lines of transmission towers crisscrossing the landscape.
R

mmd
04-11-2007, 05:23 AM
"The test site for wind power here has a vocal campaign against it for the noise problem." = seanz

Somehow, the irony of that statement strikes me funny bone...

Phillip Allen
04-11-2007, 05:34 AM
We don't know what we got 'till it's gone...

sawcutmill
04-11-2007, 06:24 AM
"most of us want to look at the ocean "

This has only occurred in the last 50 years....as most people in the past lived away from the water.The popularity of being close to the water, is a new thing, that real estate(agents) have proliferated the view and the myth thereby increasing the value sereptitiously!
btw , how many people can actually live near the water, anyway? safely? lol

Kevin G
04-11-2007, 07:47 AM
I grew up on the water, and when we were kids (65+yrs ago) people who lived by the shore were considered by many as poor and trash, that is unless you lived in a well to do summer shore community. What a change, a $2000 lot becomes a $1M "Waterfront building opportunity". If you can just smell the salt, it adds to the "value". What I like are houses with "seasonal views from the second floor bedroom". Real estate agents, what a story they tell!

willmarsh3
04-11-2007, 07:53 AM
Appearance wise I don't think wind turbines are any uglier than transmission towers, telephone poles, radio antennae, cell towers, and the like that dot the landscape. In fact I think they would rank fairly high on the coolness factor compared to the others. They certainly are a lot less polluting and the spectre of radioactivity or nuclear accidents is not there either.
As for noise I have not stood next to one to see how much noise they make. But the vehicles on roads and highways in any non rural area make a sort of low ambient noise. I'm not sure how wind turbine noise would be any different.

Norman Bernstein
04-11-2007, 08:41 AM
Most folks from New England are aware of the effort to build a large wind generation facility on a shoal in the middle of Nantucket Sound. This site ranks very high, in terms of wind energy potential... would barely be able to be seen from any shore.... wouldn't represent a navigational hazard, because it's on top of a shoal area....

However, there's substantial opposition, mostly from waterfront property owners, who object to the tiny visibility of the turbines a few miles from shore. Chief in the opposition: Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, both of whom own waterfront property that is nearby enough to see the tiny specs of windmills on the horizon.

I can't think of a single structure built by man which doesn't degrade, at least to the slightest extent, the natural beauty of the land and ocean.... but ranking this project with others, it strikes me as about as innocuous as a project could get. The wind farm could generate 80% of the electricity used on all of Cape Cod.... the barely visible sight of wind turbines on the horizon seems a small price to pay... to me, at least.

Brian Palmer
04-11-2007, 09:02 AM
We have wind farms here in PA. Farmers like them because they can lease their land for the turbines and still farm around the base.

We had some turbines loose some pieces of a blade recently. The pieces all landed within a 300 foot safety zone around the tower.

The noise doesn't seem to be an issue too much to the people around them.

Biggest sources of controversy here seem to be the clearing of mountain top sites for the towers and access roads, and bird and bat strikes (kills) from the blades.

The Governor seems to be a big fan of them (no pun intended) and he landed a factory here to make the blades (Gamesa Wind Energy, an Italian company).

Phillip Allen
04-11-2007, 03:58 PM
They'll be the end of the whopping cranes

PeterSibley
04-12-2007, 04:13 AM
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As for noise I have not stood next to one to see how much noise they make. But the vehicles on roads and highways in any non rural area make a sort of low ambient noise. I'm not sure how wind turbine noise would be any different.

When it comes to noise ...the city is the worst ,constant low level with random sirens !:mad: YUK !

Milo Christensen
04-12-2007, 06:12 AM
I just noticed that our National Weather Service local forecast web pages have replaced the old windy / breezy icon with this new one:

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/forecast/images/wind.jpg

Government reprogramming?

huisjen
04-12-2007, 06:53 AM
The noisiest ones are the little 3' jobbies sold in the Northern Tools catalog. I've stood next to a big one in a fair breeze and it was almost silent. And really really cool.

Dan