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jack grebe
03-13-2007, 01:02 PM
Iraq's Shiite PM Visits Sunni-Run Ramadi


BAGHDAD (AP) - Iraq's Shiite prime minister, hoping to show those outside the capital that the government is working to tame rising violence everywhere, traveled to the Sunni insurgent stronghold of Ramadi on Tuesday and met with tribal leaders and the provincial governor.
The visit by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki - his first as leader to volatile Anbar province - came a day after he warned that extremists would flee to other parts of Iraq during a security crackdown in Baghdad and promised government help in fighting them.
Surrounded by heavily armed bodyguards, al-Maliki also visited Iraqi security forces after he was flown to the U.S. base in a Black Hawk helicopter with Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq. The two exited from different sides of the helicopter and Petraeus took part in a separate troop visit before they met again for the ride back to Baghdad.
Al-Maliki discussed security issues and the need to restore infrastructure in the battered city during the meeting with Gov. Maamoun Sami Rashid al-Alwani and his provincial council, according to state television. That was followed by a meeting with powerful Sunni tribal sheiks from across the province, which stretches west from Baghdad to the border with Jordan, Syria and Saudi Arabia.
The meetings took place on the U.S. base in a Saddam Hussein-era palace on the western outskirts of Ramadi, the provincial capital, and al-Maliki did not venture into the center of the city, said Maj. Jeff Pool, a U.S. military spokesman.
Al-Maliki, who was accompanied by his top two security ministers, said he promised to improve electricity across the province and to compensate residents whose property was damaged or destroyed by military operations or terrorism.
He also was optimistic about efforts to end retaliatory violence between Sunnis and Shiites, despite persistent attacks in the province, including a suicide car bombing Monday that wounded 15 people. More casualties were prevented because Iraqi troops opened fire and disabled the vehicle before it reached the checkpoint, the military said.
"Sectarian violence is an abnormal phenomenon. It has passed like a summer cloud and it's over," he said in televised remarks.
He referred to Anbar as the "province of defiance" and promised support for regional players joining the fight against the insurgents.
Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, and other cities in the province have seen some of the bloodiest street battles of the war. Sunni insurgents remain well-entrenched in the city and continue to move freely through parts of downtown where Americans often dare not set foot.
Four Anbar governors have served in less than four years. One was assassinated, another resigned after surviving an attack, and two, including the current one, have had sons kidnapped. Tribal leaders who have met with U.S. commanders also have been killed. Al-Alwani himself operates under heavy U.S. security at a government center in central Ramadi, which has been a favorite target of insurgents.
The U.S. military is pressing a campaign to encourage Iraq's Sunnis - those involved in or sympathetic to the insurgency - to stop attacks and break with al-Qaida in Iraq fighters. Pool said al-Maliki's visit to Anbar was an important first step in those efforts.
The discussion with local Sunni leaders was heated at times, as they demanded more from the government, but it ended "on an extremely positive note" with promises of renewed cooperation, Pool said.
Sunni politician Nasser al-Ani, a member of the Iraqi Islamic Party, welcomed the trip.
"The prime minister's visit is part of the process and the plan to rescue Anbar province, which is a successful plan that has had good results," he said, adding it would bolster tribal leaders supporting the fight against insurgents.
Al-Maliki said Monday that extremists would flee to the hinterlands during the Baghdad security sweep.
"So the role of security services in the provinces is very important. The government is ready to offer the necessary help. We are beginning to confront terrorism, and we must continue to do so," he said.
Meanwhile, more than 700 additional U.S. troops arrived Tuesday in Iraq's increasingly volatile Diyala province to try to quell violence northeast of Baghdad.
The U.S. Army's 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Infantry Division moved from northern Baghdad into Baqouba to supplement about 3,500 American soldiers already stationed there.
The move comes at a time when more than 20,000 new American troops are pouring into Baghdad as part of a U.S.-Iraqi push to pacify the capital.
While sectarian killings in Baghdad have fallen since the crackdown began last month, violence has skyrocketed to the northeast in Diyala, where direct attacks on U.S. forces have risen 70 percent since last summer, according to U.S. military figures.
"We began looking at this several months ago, in support of the Baghdad plan. We knew the surrounding provinces would be in play," Maj. Gen. Benjamin Mixon, commander of the Army's 25th Infantry Division and the top U.S. official in northern Iraq, told The Associated Press.
"I recognized for sure that Diyala would become more violent as operations picked up in Baghdad," Mixon said.
The additional American forces join more than 20,000 Iraqi security forces in Diyala, according to figures provided by the U.S. military. About half of those are Iraqi police, and half are members of the Iraqi 5th Army Division.
"This should be fun, but three months and it's over," said Sgt. Todd Selge, 22, of Burnsville, Minn., whose unit is slated to leave Iraq in late spring. "We've heard that a lot of insurgents have moved here from Baghdad. The Iraqi army is supposed to be OK here, so we're coming to help them stand up."
The security crackdown in Baghdad already has seen a decline in execution-style killings, random shootings and rocket attacks, in large part because Shiite parties have been successful in persuading the Shiite militias to pull armed fighters off the streets to avoid a showdown with the Americans.
At least nine people were killed or found dead Tuesday, including four men who were shot to death in a Sunni mosque in southwestern Baghdad.
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Associated Press Writer Lauren Frayer in Baqouba, Iraq, contributed to this report.

Norman Bernstein
03-13-2007, 01:08 PM
Could it be working?

Depends on what you mean by 'working'.

If you're suggesting that the so-called 'surge' might diminish the intensity of the various insurgent interests for some brief period of time, sure.... it might be 'working'.

However, I think that any suggestion that this 13 century old conflict is simply going to come to an end in our lifetimes, or even our children's lifetimes, is absurd. Unless the US plans permanent occupancy of Iraq, the conflict will continue... and the moment we leave, it will flare up again.

The only issue is how many more American soldiers will die, and how many more billions of dollars we will spend, before we realize this, get the hell out, and let them settle this in their own way.

George.
03-13-2007, 01:16 PM
Surrounded by heavily armed bodyguards, al-Maliki also visited Iraqi security forces after he was flown to the U.S. base in a Black Hawk helicopter...

He sure proved something... ;)

TimH
03-13-2007, 01:17 PM
Well Bush is sending what? 13,000 more troops again or something?

There was an author of a new book being interviewed on NPR yesterday..dont remember his name. In his new book, he says that this thing is going to escalate and spread once the insurgents in all of these different countries get organized. He called it the new Balkins. Said its going to get much worse and last the rest of our lives.

jack grebe
03-13-2007, 01:46 PM
I think a US occupation is a givin at this point.....How long did the US occupy Germany and Japan after WWII? Although frail, I believe the new gov. of Irag is trying to make a go of it.

Do we really want them to settle this themselves?????After all, We started it

TimH
03-13-2007, 02:45 PM
Saddam kept em in line. They only understand one thing. They arent like us.

High C
03-13-2007, 06:15 PM
.....How long did the US occupy Germany and Japan after WWII?

About 62 years so far...

jack grebe
03-13-2007, 08:28 PM
About 62 years so far...
aahyup

John of Phoenix
03-13-2007, 08:44 PM
How many attacks on occupation troops in those 62 years?
Any thousand year old religious wars to tamp down?
Any differences in the reconstruction programs - then and now?
Any cultural or religious differences in the occupied countries that had to be resolved?

cheney says it's in its last throes. Has been for a couple of years now.
When should we expect things to settle down in Iraq? Afghanistan?

LeeG
03-13-2007, 08:54 PM
2million Iraqis have fled the country. Imagine 25million Americans fleeing the US.

A whole bunch of things are working.

Cuyahoga Chuck
03-13-2007, 11:34 PM
Sorry, Few but, it isn't working! Shiite pilgrims are being rubbed out by the hundreds as we speak.
Even if the leaders of the two sides agree on something there are well armed militias with plenty of arms, explosives and willing suicide bombers able to screw up any attempts at accomodation.

George.
03-14-2007, 08:15 AM
It's working all right - for Big Oil. Check out the oil law that is being pushed to pass under the wing of the "surge"...

Cuyahoga Chuck
03-14-2007, 09:02 AM
"Do we really want them to settle this themselves?????After all, We started it"

We gave the Iraqis an opening to create a better country than they had. They can take it or reject it as they wish.
It's common knowlwdge that our continued presence there won't guarantee anything.
The Bush administration insists on staying because they can't bring themselves to admit they may have committed the biggest policy blunder in US history.

jack grebe
03-14-2007, 09:19 AM
The Bush administration insists on staying because they can't bring themselves to admit they may have committed the biggest policy blunder in US history.
That is a very short term view. The real judge will be time and history.

Cuyahoga Chuck
03-14-2007, 10:03 AM
"That is a very short term view."

Time is running out for them. Is there any reason to think assessments made of them after they are gone will be any better than those that are being made now?

"The real judge will be time and history."

Yep. And it scares the hell out of them.

Mrleft8
03-14-2007, 12:17 PM
Where do you suppose they stayed.....The Ramadi Inn?

TimH
03-14-2007, 12:22 PM
nice

ishmael
03-14-2007, 12:42 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2sewft

jack grebe
03-14-2007, 12:47 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2sewft
Oh Yea, I always get my news from Rolling Stoned :rolleyes:

TimH
03-14-2007, 12:50 PM
Just for the record......

ATTN: Anyone who comes to the WBF for the first time,

The views and opinions of Tim H in no reflect the views and opinions of this community as a whole.

Hey Tim, Do you think HITLER kept "em" in line!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hitler has nothing remotely to do with this. Saddam was well contained and a perfect stooge for maintaining balance over there. They made the right decision during the Gulf war to leave him in power. It was a calculated decision.

ishmael
03-14-2007, 12:56 PM
Hey, Jack, did you read it? It's a synopsis of anti-Iraq-war views in the the dissenters(fairly impressive people) own words. Worth a look, or I wouldn't have posted it.

jack grebe
03-14-2007, 01:35 PM
Hey, Jack, did you read it? It's a synopsis of anti-Iraq-war views in the the dissenters(fairly impressive people) own words. Worth a look, or I wouldn't have posted it.
Yes I read it