TIRES a problem in Florida

[donald branscom]

Today in the San Francisco chronicle newspaper there was a story that Florida artificial reefs created with auto tires is not working and is perventing the reefs from growing. They are going to salvage the tires at a cost of 3.4 million dollars.
Also nothing was growing on the tires. Ding Ding Ding Ding !!!

Does that tell you something or what.

[Paul Pless]

Instead of coppering your bottom your gonna what?!:eek:

[Nanoose]

So whadda we do? Melt em down over a big fire (while we roast weinies and marshmallows, of course), then roll it on the bottom, I guess. Or maybe we could create a big dipping tank. Heat supply underneath - a never ending vat....

Say! Maybe this is a business idea.

But if the tires work this way, why not follow up on the idea on another thread about putting Sani-tread on the bottom? BUt someone said that wasn't a good idea.

While we're here....I saw a program on the Discovery program where they're researching coatings for boat bottoms for navy (etc.) applications (how often do they bottom paint an air craft carrier anyways?? :eek:). They were creating sheets of a film that is scaley, like fish/shark scales (you never see barnacles piggy backing on a fish! :)). The film was applied like the ad films you see on the backs/sides of city busses - removeable, repositionable, etc.

Now, when is THAT gonna be available. I want some of that stuff! Think of the environmental plusses as well!

Anyone know the name of this stuff??

[boylesboats]

Make work boot soles.....

[donald branscom]

So whadda we do? Melt em down over a big fire (while we roast weinies and marshmallows, of course), then roll it on the bottom, I guess. Or maybe we could create a big dipping tank. Heat supply underneath - a never ending vat....

Say! Maybe this is a business idea.

But if the tires work this way, why not follow up on the idea on another thread about putting Sani-tread on the bottom? BUt someone said that wasn't a good idea.

While we're here....I saw a program on the Discovery program where they're researching coatings for boat bottoms for navy (etc.) applications (how often do they bottom paint an air craft carrier anyways?? :eek:). They were creating sheets of a film that is scaley, like fish/shark scales (you never see barnacles piggy backing on a fish! :)). The film was applied like the ad films you see on the backs/sides of city busses - removeable, repositionable, etc.

Now, when is THAT gonna be available. I want some of that stuff! Think of the environmental plusses as well!

Anyone know the name of this stuff??

At least 5 years ago i was in a boat yard in south San Francisco
and i saw a 40 ft. coast guard boat that had the bottom coated with poly vinyl chloride. I was told that it was used on all thier boats.
It was grey color
It felt rubber like.
I got a gallon of it from a industrial supply and completely coated a piece of exterior plywood with it, I used a roller or brush. That was my cabin sole.
It did not wear out in 5 years of heavy use and scuffing with my workboots. it was very, very tough.
The only problem is to apply it properly to a boat bottom is that it takes special spray equipment.

[Paul Pless]

...I saw a program on the Discovery program where they're researching coatings for boat bottoms for navy (etc.) applications...

Anyone know the name of this stuff??

Yup, its called unobtainium. (navy stuff you know)

[Nanoose]

Very funny, Paul. Thanks for starting the day off with a chuckle! :)

[geeman]

Isnt there a population around here somewhere that still uses tires to make their sandals?
Surely somebody needs tire sandals!!!!!!!!!! lol

[dpincus]

I have a pair of spare tire sandals, got em in mexico (where the reuse everything)... they're for burning rubber.

Dave

[paladin]

When I wuz in Alaska....we had a use for old tires......sorta....
Periodically...when we had a lightly loaded flight to Homer or Soldotna we would take along an old tire or two....normally we would sorta tie them alongside the plane next to the fuselage with a rope pulled tight, with the tire(s) resting on the lift strut, except in the 195 which didn't have them. We would fly across the bay as if we were headed down the Aleutian chain and 15-20 minutes later we would fly over one of the inactive volcano cones that are all within sight of Anchorage proper....not just me...but a dozen or so bush pilots that frequented that run. We would go into slow flight near the top of one of the cones, near hover with the constant winds there, and drop the tires. After several months of this we had a very nice pile of tires..........so.........one nice day....three or four of us hauled several 2 gallon plastic cans of diesel fuel and dropped it on the tires.....one ofthe fellows with a really slow super cub flew over and fired a couple of flares down into the mess.....remember.....just a short distance from Anchorage........
Most excitement since the earthquake....volcano erupting, Anchorage is doomed......newspapers had a ball...we had some laughs...environmentalists had a field day....:D

[Northernguy59]

Paladin......... your a bad bad man ............ I love it ! :D :D :D

[rbgarr]

Must be a slow news day... the damage done by tires as artificial reefs is really old news. http://tinyurl.com/2d6ew5

[donald branscom]

I have a pair of spare tire sandals, got em in mexico (where the reuse everything)... they're for burning rubber.

Dave

Mexico has bought millions of used tires from us. They stack them on steel poles so they are seperated for anti theft and fire protection.
Nowthey can sell them back to ARIZONA who grinds them up and paves the roads with them. Ding Ding Ding Ding

Get it. The state of arizona grinds them up and mixes it with something sticky and this could be used to cover the bottom of a boat.
Someone that has the (wherewithal)l will be making money on my last statement.

[donald branscom]

Yup, its called unobtainium. (navy stuff you know)

Wrong. Any industrial paint supply store carries this material.
I got mine in Emeryville California. Devoe Coatings.

That stuff you can order from EASTWOOD company that you dip tool handles into is the same stuff.
Something I found on the net:
The effect of exposure to the UVCON (humidity and UV radiation) accelerated corrosion test of a poly(vinyl chloride) paint applied over cleaned, abraded, and pre-rusted mild steel substrates has been investigated from the interfacial chemistry and adhesion standpoints. The X-ray photoelectron spectroscopy (XPS) data reveal significant differences in the locus and mode of adhesion loss, which depend on the time of exposure and the initial presence of a rust layer on the mild steel. The adhesion values obtained with the pre-rusted mild steel were greater than those obtained with the cleaned and abraded mild steel before exposure. After 15 days of exposure, it was observed that changes in the interfacial surface composition of the PVC/cleaned and abraded mild steel systems might have important positive effects on the adhesion strength values. The XPS data suggest the oxidation of both interfacial surfaces, incorporating polar C-O and C=O species, which would be expected to enhance the adhesion of paint to metal. In contrast, the PVC paint/pre-rusted mild steel system showed no change in adhesion values or interfacial surface composition over the entire period of exposure.

[pipefitter]

That's amazing. Every old tire I have ever seen in the bay has quite a population of oysters growing on it. I wonder if that's what it means when they say it's a goodyear for oysters.

[erster]

That's amazing. Every old tire I have ever seen in the bay has quite a population of oysters growing on it. I wonder if that's what it means when they say it's a goodyear for oysters.
ROFLMAO!!!!! Tires have been used forever and a day for artifical reefs. Along the carolina coast, over time and with hurricanes over time, and rusting chains that was used, tires ended up on the beaches or in the nets of many shrimpers causing numerous problems. This is a very old issue.

[boylesboats]

When I wuz in Alaska....we had a use for old tires......sorta....
Periodically...when we had a lightly loaded flight to Homer or Soldotna we would take along an old tire or two....normally we would sorta tie them alongside the plane next to the fuselage with a rope pulled tight, with the tire(s) resting on the lift strut, except in the 195 which didn't have them. We would fly across the bay as if we were headed down the Aleutian chain and 15-20 minutes later we would fly over one of the inactive volcano cones that are all within sight of Anchorage proper....not just me...but a dozen or so bush pilots that frequented that run. We would go into slow flight near the top of one of the cones, near hover with the constant winds there, and drop the tires. After several months of this we had a very nice pile of tires..........so.........one nice day....three or four of us hauled several 2 gallon plastic cans of diesel fuel and dropped it on the tires.....one ofthe fellows with a really slow super cub flew over and fired a couple of flares down into the mess.....remember.....just a short distance from Anchorage........
Most excitement since the earthquake....volcano erupting, Anchorage is doomed......newspapers had a ball...we had some laughs...environmentalists had a field day....:D

Wow :D I bet that will be funny to watch....:D

[boylesboats]

Mexico has bought millions of used tires from us. They stack them on steel poles so they are seperated for anti theft and fire protection.
Nowthey can sell them back to ARIZONA who grinds them up and paves the roads with them. Ding Ding Ding Ding

Get it. The state of arizona grinds them up and mixes it with something sticky and this could be used to cover the bottom of a boat.
Someone that has the (wherewithal)l will be making money on my last statement.

Hey I am from Missouri:D Isn't asphalt made with tires?... Boy it sure smell like it....

[boylesboats]

ROFLMAO!!!!! Tires have been used forever and a day for artifical reefs. Along the carolina coast, over time and with hurricanes over time, and rusting chains that was used, tires ended up on the beaches or in the nets of many shrimpers causing numerous problems. This is a very old issue.

Can't bury tires either, no matter how deep, sucker just worked itself back to surface in the matter of years..... I seen it happened...

[donald branscom]

Hey I am from Missouri:D Isn't asphalt made with tires?... Boy it sure smell like it....

Asphalt is made with rocks and oil. I used to work on county roads for a year in California. The ground up rubber used in Arizona is not asphalt.
It was offered to california but it was not adopted.

The road was first sprayed with old oil before the paving process.
I found out the oil sprayed on the road was recycled car oil.
You know -the oil you and i are not supposed to put on the ground.

When i grew up in Tucson we put old oil on dirt roads to keep the dust down and that made it easier to pave later on.

[jp4sail]

Maybe old used aren't supposed to be put in the water..... but on the hard...And still be related to a boat. Check this out: www.earthship.org/learn/

JP

[marc1]

On the topic of old tyres, there are plants working today that can recycle anything, from domestic or industrial rubbish to old tyres back into petroleum oil. In fact there are two different competing process as we speak. The "problem" of rubbish is more a lack of political will than a technological one.