SamF's avatar

[shamus]

One of the Beagle Boys breaking into a church?
What's your idea?

[adampet]

i always thought it was Darkwing Duck.....google it

Adam

[Kaa]

Arguing with SamF is like wrestling with a pig... :D

Kaa

[Norman Bernstein]

Arguing with SamF is like wrestling with a pig... :D


Hey, I've learned a LOT from the guy. The latest: according to SamF, in order for me to be truly happy, I have to be a devout Catholic...

...and dead. :D

(yeah, no kiddin! )

[George Jung]

Pretty funny, Norm! :D

(though, truth be known, I think that's another one of your strawmen...:D )

[Norman Bernstein]

Pretty funny, Norm! :D

(though, truth be known, I think that's another one of your strawmen...:D )

Well, not really, George. It's straight out of a quotation from SamF, from some Catholic encyclopedia, referring to what I presume is Catholic dogma... the idea that you cannot achieve true bliss until you're dead... after first having been a devout Catholic.

Look, I'm not trying to be coy here. I don't criticize people for their beliefs... I respect people who hold strong beliefs. However, I'm under no obligation to respect the beliefs themselves. SamF has done more to reinforce my contempt for Catholic dogma than anyone I've ever met... maybe it's not his fault, it's just that so much of it has been revealed in the interminable threads in which he's participated.

[Memphis Mike]

I've never looked closely enough at his posts to know he had an avatar.

[Donn]

It isn't a duck. Beak's wrong.

[Backfin]

http://wingedavenger.theavengers.tv/WingedAvenger/WA_images/wa_cover2.jpg

[Keith Wilson]

I've never looked closely enough at his posts to know he had an avatar.Lucky man.

[Sam F]

Well, not really, George. It's straight out of a quotation from SamF, from some Catholic encyclopedia,…

Go back and review that thread Norm. I did not bring up the Catholic Encyclopedia. It was used by another to attack my view... A very foolish tactic, btw … just like throwing Brer Rabbit in that ol’ briar patch. :D



… referring to what I presume is Catholic dogma... the idea that you cannot achieve true bliss until you're dead...

Gee Norm! Why do you think they call it Heaven?
Is this some sort of new revelation for you?


...SamF has done more to reinforce my contempt for Catholic dogma than anyone I've ever met...

Your performance in these discussions hasn't exactly done great things for the reputation of Liberal secularized Jews.
Norm, remember that sort of ad hominem stuff always cuts both ways. I prefer not to use that tactic. Given its inevitable blow-back side-effects which I have just demonstrated, you shouldn't either.

Instead, address and refute the ideas - if you can. If you can't, either agree or go back to the drawing board or choose to stubbornly hold your prejudice, but don't trumpet it. Better to stay silent than give the game away like that. Don't resort to sullen "contempt" that only demonstrates a lack of understanding.

[Sam F]

http://wingedavenger.theavengers.tv/WingedAvenger/WA_images/wa_cover2.jpg


Eee-urp!

:D

[Keith Wilson]

Wans't that from a particularly bizarre episode of The Avengers? Something from the archives . . . .

Diana Rigg was great, though.

http://deadline.theavengers.tv/images/66Cardfron.jpg

And how come that bird has feet for hands?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

I loved the Avengers. So British, I knew it even as a kid when I didn't know what british was ;) Damn Diana Rigg was such a total babe.

[Keith Wilson]

I watched The Avengers a lot whan I was young. I think an awful lot of young men lusted after Diana Rigg - I sure did, anyway.

[Norman Bernstein]

Go back and review that thread Norm. I did not bring up the Catholic Encyclopedia. It was used by another to attack my view... A very foolish tactic, btw … just like throwing Brer Rabbit in that ol’ briar patch. :D

Sorry if it wasn't you who injected that C&P. Nonetheless, that is indeed what it said; real happiness requires devotion to Catholicism and death. That is indeed the Catholic dogma, is it not?


Gee Norm! Why do you think they call it Heaven?
Is this some sort of new revelation for you?

The concept of Heaven isn't a revelation to me. However, since I don't believe a single word of it, it's not something I bother to think about very deeply. Belief in heaven is an article of faith, not fact... unless you can produce some irrefutable evidence.


Your performance in these discussions hasn't exactly done great things for the reputation of Liberal secularized Jews.

SamF, nobody's 'performance' in these discussions is relevant, either, since you have always maintained a position of total and utter infallability. It might be amusing, from time to time, to discuss these things, but mostly to see how you can twist and turn to maintain that veneer of infallibility.


Instead, address and refute the ideas - if you can. If you can't, either agree or go back to the drawing board or choose to stubbornly hold your prejudice, but don't trumpet it. Better to stay silent than give the game away like that. Don't resort to sullen "contempt" that only demonstrates a lack of understanding.

You're wasting your breath. You've already defined the 'discussions' in the only context you apparently know: you're absolutely and utterly right and correct, and everyone else is wrong, and you're tossing pearls before the swine.

Much of the 'discussion' simply comes down to nothing more than a contention of faith... and, like taste, it's something that is inarguable. You choose to believe in Catholic dogma and create context in which you can justify, to yourself (obviously not others) that your faith is really fact and truth.... and ain't nobody here buying it. I can easily respect someone of faith... but not someone who distorts the inescapable basis of faith by inventing rationalizations to make it seem like it's not really faith, but truth.

[huisjen]

Norman, don't feed the troll.

Dan

[Sam F]

Sorry if it wasn't you who injected that C&P. Nonetheless, that is indeed what it said; real happiness requires devotion to Catholicism and death. That is indeed the Catholic dogma, is it not?
The concept of Heaven isn't a revelation to me. However, since I don't believe a single word of it, it's not something I bother to think about very deeply. Belief in heaven is an article of faith, not fact... unless you can produce some irrefutable evidence.

Norm negative proof is possible. You've shown great skepticism that one must be dead to acheive total happiness. Ok. The notion easily disproved in a negative way... Just show me someone who has acheived total bliss and happiness here on earth and made it last.
No. I'm sorry, opiates dont' count.
Since no such examples exist, if you want total lasting happiness it's pretty likely it'll have to be somewhere else - Christians call it Heaven and it's not here on Earth.


SamF, nobody's 'performance' in these discussions is relevant, either, since you have always maintained a position of total and utter infallability.

Norm that's not even remotely true and you know it.
Did you not see my admission of a "dumb mistake" (and boy, was it!) in the "diversity" thread?
I'm sure you did.
So where is my "utter infalibility"?
If you want to prove me wrong, do it. Do it with facts evidence or clear reasoning.
Don't resort to ad hominem attacks or straw man fallacies.
They don't work. Period.


Much of the 'discussion' simply comes down to nothing more than a contention of faith...

Once again. Review the thread and you'll notice I did not bring Catholicism into it. That was done by someone else.
Frankly, I'm beginning to suspect that people do that because they think themselves infallible on that subject - Christianity being so obviously false. Right?
Once again, toss ol' Brer Rabbit in the briar patch ya'll!

[Don Olney]

That crow is creepy. It reminds me of this weird bird from The Garden of Earthly Delights by Bosch.

http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/b/bosch/painting/triptyc1/delightd.jpg

[Don Olney]

Perhaps it's a Plague Doctor's mask.

http://extremecatholic.blogspot.com/images/plague-mask.jpg

[Kaa]

Inquisitor would suit him better

http://static.flickr.com/7/6367943_39c6e7fe87_m.jpg


Kaa

[John E Hardiman]

I watched The Avengers a lot whan I was young. I think an awful lot of young men lusted after Diana Rigg - I sure did, anyway.

Mrs Peel?.....The Bently!!!

http://dissolute.com.au/avweb/epi/bentley.jpg

Besides...Purdy (Joanna Lumley) was.....
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Boulevard/9552/purdy.jpg

[Sam F]

Nice car undoubtedly. If any of you get a chance to see the episode in question I recommend it! The plots a bit shaky but the execution is excellent ;)

EEEEEURP! :D

[Sam F]

Actually, if given the choice ...


http://logo.cafepress.com/6/3411346.969556.jpg

[Sam F]

And the plague doctor's uniform is pretty good, but it needs updating...

http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/images/kit-sgeM95mil.jpg

[Another One]

I never quite understood what the deel was with Mrs. Peel. Was she supposed to be a widow or something?

Jami

[Keith Wilson]

Her husband was IIRC a pilot who crashed in the Amazon or somewhere and was missing for years. He eventually shows up, she goes off with him - I remember distinctly the scene of Steed looking out the window, watching them walk away, looking terribly dejected. Hey, I was dejected myself, being seriously attached to Ms. Rigg at my young age. The next season Diana Rigg was replaced by Ms. Lumley.

[Keith Wilson]

Ah, of course, you're right. Nobody could replace Diana Rigg, of course:

http://www.diesiebziger.net/assets/images/emma_peel.jpg

[Sea Frog]

She' pretty but a kick in the balls is still a kick in the balls, eh?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

She' pretty but a kick in the balls is still a kick in the balls, eh?

http://ddr.theavengers.tv/publicity/60s/39.jpg

Legs built for kicking ;)

Yummy :p

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Ya got to love YouTube :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLzzs6VBa2I

[Keith Wilson]

Very talented lady, aside from being the object of my pubescent fantasies. She has aged very well, and will turn 70 next year, believe it or not. Since the Avengers, she's done a lot of serious theater as well as films She won a Tony award for playing Medea (!!) She's now a "Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire" which sounds mightily impressive.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/mystery/images/diana.gif